Davinci by Karma

[OF]

Calm down I'm not saying it is for sure toxic. I'm freaked out by the possibility. I kind of got side tracked in my last post. The point of it was supposed to be that I didn't taste anything either, but I'm sure there was something there besides the herb.

Thanks for the concern, I'm plenty calm (I think) and plan to stay that way. I'm hoping everyone else does too?

We did go into 'what is out gassing' a lot a while back. Facts seem to help some folks, some just ignore them I guess.

OF

 

[ej2389]

Thanks for the concern, I'm plenty calm (I think) and plan to stay that way. I'm hoping everyone else does too?

We did go into 'what is out gassing' a lot a while back. Facts seem to help some folks, some just ignore them I guess.

OF

OK go ahead and repeat it for me since I missed it. The definition I'm using for myself here is any gas that comes out of the empty unit if it has never been loaded. You can play semantics all you want but the fact is my units are doing something even davinci agrees they should not be doing.

 

[Egzoset]

Which means the DaVinci is a rheostatic type of vaporizer, i guess.

By all means do keep guessing?

All right, what about:

Pyro-Electric?!!​

 

[Buildozer]

Thanks for the concern, I'm plenty calm (I think) and plan to stay that way. I'm hoping everyone else does too?

We did go into 'what is out gassing' a lot a while back. Facts seem to help some folks, some just ignore them I guess.

OF

It doesn't hurt to repeat something and be helpful, even if it is again and again, especially if you are going to take the time out to leave a response anyway... cant hurt to have that info repeated however many times... some one looking or not might have better chances of finding info they can use... i do appreciate what you contribute to this site, just had to say....

 

[OF]

It doesn't hurt to repeat something and be helpful, even if it is again and again, especially if you are going to take the time out to leave a response anyway... cant hurt to have that info repeated however many times... some one looking or not might have better chances of finding info they can use... i do appreciate what you contribute to this site, just had to say....

Fine, by all means, feel free to repeat it.

OF

 

[plazmablast]

So what is the consensus on the whole off gassing problem? I ordered one the other day and found out about that problem only recently. My davinci has not arrived yet but I am worried to even consider the vape, I don't want burnt plastic going into my lungs......

 

[Buildozer]

ha if i knew i guess i would... i was just saying haa... you know helpful things and you are here, now.. but feel free to respond to this instead ha... come on dude its not a big deal just help him out if you can, this page has to be filled w/ something.. not tryin to attack you or nothin ha

 

[ej2389]

So what is the consensus on the whole off gassing problem? I ordered one the other day and found out about that problem only recently. My davinci has not arrived yet but I am worried to even consider the vape, I don't want burnt plastic going into my lungs......

If you want to be sure you don't get an offgassing product I would either look at something else or wait for davinci to give an official response that actually makes some kind of sense.

 

[plazmablast]

If you want to be sure you don't get an offgassing product I would either look at something else or wait for davinci to give an official response that actually makes some kind of sense.

haha well looks like I am returning my davinci I just bought, sorry Karma but you can't own up to your mistakes... I am not wasting my time with a product that might harm my health. Any suggestions on another portable/stealthy vape? I was thinking the PAX or Inhalater XP

 

[Dreamerr]

INH IMHO...In used it all day today at a car dealership even while talking to people. Nobody blinked.

 

[OF]

So what is the consensus on the whole off gassing problem? I ordered one the other day and found out about that problem only recently. My davinci has not arrived yet but I am worried to even consider the vape, I don't want burnt plastic going into my lungs......

Nobody has had any problems with burnt plastic. Nobody. Burning is something entirely different.

The rubber used is a polymer. A jumble of long molecules tangled up like a plate of spaghetti. A liquid. In the processing a catalyst is added to such stuff to 'cross link' the molecules to make a mat that's more or less solid (like that plate of spaghetti when it gets cold). After it sets up the catalyst has to go somewhere, it migrates out through the material (or you'd never smell or see it....), like the 'rubber smell' from new tennis shoes. Temperature and time (in some processes vacuum) speed this stuff along. This is called 'curing' in the trade. If it's 'food grade' care is made in the selection of the catalysts used for this reason.

So many of us found we could see 'mystery vapor' (as someone called it, it's no mystery really, we know what it is) from our new DVs with empty bowls. This gets less and less as the material near the surface migrates out, you need higher and higher temperatures to find it. Dropping down in temperature from 'full blast' basically stops it as you might guess.

Another factor comes into play as well. Condensed vapor ends up sealing the surface so the catalyst can't evaporate that way any more so migrate through the material and out the other way, away from the vapor path.

You noticed how the rubber smell left your Adidas over time? Same deal, only being as this is food grade there's really no health hazard.....like there is with the tennis shoes.

This 'toxic hazard' caused a big stir in the Puffit thread as well. Well intentioned folks got into "carcinogens" and all sorts of wild concerns.....IMO ended up scaring the women and horses as the saying goes.

Lots of good info on the web on the topic. NASA did some very useful and interesting studies on this topic a while back. IMO the risks are trivial compared to blazing for instance?

OF

 

[ej2389]

I really like how the cera looks.

 

[ej2389]

Nobody has had any problems with burnt plastic. Nobody. Burning is something entirely different.

The rubber used is a polymer. A jumble of long molecules tangled up like a plate of spaghetti. A liquid. In the processing a catalyst is added to such stuff to 'cross link' the molecules to make a mat that's more or less solid (like that plate of spaghetti when it gets cold). After it sets up the catalyst has to go somewhere, it migrates out through the material (or you'd never smell or see it....), like the 'rubber smell' from new tennis shoes. Temperature and time (in some processes vacuum) speed this stuff along. This is called 'curing' in the trade. If it's 'food grade' care is made in the selection of the catalysts used for this reason.

So many of us found we could see 'mystery vapor' (as someone called it, it's no mystery really, we know what it is) from our new DVs with empty bowls. This gets less and less as the material near the surface migrates out, you need higher and higher temperatures to find it. Dropping down in temperature from 'full blast' basically stops it as you might guess.

Another factor comes into play as well. Condensed vapor ends up sealing the surface so the catalyst can't evaporate that way any more so migrate through the material and out the other way, away from the vapor path.

You noticed how the rubber smell left your Adidas over time? Same deal, only being as this is food grade there's really no health hazard.....like there is with the tennis shoes.

This 'toxic hazard' caused a big stir in the Puffit thread as well. Well intentioned folks got into "carcinogens" and all sorts of wild concerns.....IMO ended up scaring the women and horses as the saying goes.

Lots of good info on the web on the topic. NASA did some very useful and interesting studies on this topic a while back. IMO the risks are trivial compared to blazing for instance?

OF

Dude you are misleading people. This shit isn't going away at all on my davinci's. So it is at least possible for this to be a permanent thing. Thanks davinci for curing your rubber in my lungs, really appreciate it. If you want to argue I didn't cycle enough, go ahead, but you need to tell me how many cycles I should put it through before expecting it to go away. The fact is you are wrong because davinci themselves told me the unit should not be giving off any gas at all. That's why they sent me a new one free of charge despite the fact it wasn't under warranty.

 

[plazmablast]

Nobody has had any problems with burnt plastic. Nobody. Burning is something entirely different.

The rubber used is a polymer. A jumble of long molecules tangled up like a plate of spaghetti. A liquid. In the processing a catalyst is added to such stuff to 'cross link' the molecules to make a mat that's more or less solid (like that plate of spaghetti when it gets cold). After it sets up the catalyst has to go somewhere, it migrates out through the material (or you'd never smell or see it....), like the 'rubber smell' from new tennis shoes. Temperature and time (in some processes vacuum) speed this stuff along. This is called 'curing' in the trade. If it's 'food grade' care is made in the selection of the catalysts used for this reason.

So many of us found we could see 'mystery vapor' (as someone called it, it's no mystery really, we know what it is) from our new DVs with empty bowls. This gets less and less as the material near the surface migrates out, you need higher and higher temperatures to find it. Dropping down in temperature from 'full blast' basically stops it as you might guess.

Another factor comes into play as well. Condensed vapor ends up sealing the surface so the catalyst can't evaporate that way any more so migrate through the material and out the other way, away from the vapor path.

You noticed how the rubber smell left your Adidas over time? Same deal, only being as this is food grade there's really no health hazard.....like there is with the tennis shoes.

This 'toxic hazard' caused a big stir in the Puffit thread as well. Well intentioned folks got into "carcinogens" and all sorts of wild concerns.....IMO ended up scaring the women and horses as the saying goes.

Lots of good info on the web on the topic. NASA did some very useful and interesting studies on this topic a while back. IMO the risks are trivial compared to blazing for instance?

OF

But really, it can't be healthy to inhale the fumes from the davinci that come off from an empty bowl... Also, I thought earlier you were saying how bad the Davinci is in some of your earlier posts. I might have read wrong

 

[OF]

Dude you are misleading people. This shit isn't going away at all on my davinci's. So it is at least possible for this to be a permanent thing. Thanks davinci for curing your rubber in my lungs, really appreciate it. If you want to argue I didn't cycle enough, go ahead, but you need to tell me how many cycles I should put it through before expecting it to go away. The fact is you are wrong because davinci themselves told me the unit should not be giving off any gas at all.

I beg you pardon, I am not misleading anyone. Quite the contrary I'm reporting my experiences and understandings. And I'm not alone. No, it's not possible for it to be permanent, if it's evaporating it's going away, it has to become less over time.

I'm not making any wild health claims about food safe stuff not being safe. I'd call that misleading myself.

So go back half a year or so and check out post 1062 where I describe getting mine. Note 1066 where Stu talks about rubber smells going away in 1071. Then check out my report of cooking the nasty vapor out of mine in post 1076 and make up your own mind.

I'm still waiting on the "toxic" agent involved? Talk about misleading? It goes both ways.

But really, it can't be healthy to inhale the fumes from the davinci that come off from an empty bowl... Also, I thought earlier you were saying how bad the Davinci is in some of your earlier posts. I might have read wrong

I wouldn't recommend breathing them in, but once they're gone they're gone?

Your life, your call. I tend to address health concerns the way I've been trained to. This is just not on the charts if you asked me.....which I think you did? It's probably not a health concern no matter what and it does go away. Or so lots of folks seem to believe.

OF

 

[plazmablast]

I beg you pardon, I am not misleading anyone. Quite the contrary I'm reporting my experiences and understandings. And I'm not alone. No, it's not possible for it to be permanent, if it's evaporating it's going away, it has to become less over time.

I'm not making any wild health claims about food safe stuff not being safe. I'd call that misleading myself.

So go back half a year or so and check out post 1062 where I describe getting mine. Note 1066 where Stu talks about rubber smells going away in 1071. Then check out my report of cooking the nasty vapor out of mine in post 1076 and make up your own mind.

I'm still waiting on the "toxic" agent involved? Talk about misleading? It goes both ways.



I wouldn't recommend breathing them in, but once they're gone they're gone?

Your life, your call. I tend to address health concerns the way I've been trained to. This is just not on the charts if you asked me.....which I think you did? It's probably not a health concern no matter what and it does go away. Or so lots of folks seem to believe.

OF

I understand it might go away, its just not comforting to think that it could be there while vaping, it is hard to tell if you are inhaling both at the same time... All i want is for Davinci themselves to adress the situation

 

[ej2389]

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I'm still waiting on the "toxic" agent involved? Talk about misleading? It goes both ways.
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OF

Stop fucking putting words in my mouth. I already addressed this. I didn't say it is necessarily toxic, I said it could be.

 

[ej2389]

I beg you pardon, I am not misleading anyone. Quite the contrary I'm reporting my experiences and understandings. And I'm not alone. No, it's not possible for it to be permanent, if it's evaporating it's going away, it has to become less over time.

I'm not making any wild health claims about food safe stuff not being safe. I'd call that misleading myself.

So go back half a year or so and check out post 1062 where I describe getting mine. Note 1066 where Stu talks about rubber smells going away in 1071. Then check out my report of cooking the nasty vapor out of mine in post 1076 and make up your own mind.

I'm still waiting on the "toxic" agent involved? Talk about misleading? It goes both ways.



I wouldn't recommend breathing them in, but once they're gone they're gone?

Your life, your call. I tend to address health concerns the way I've been trained to. This is just not on the charts if you asked me.....which I think you did? It's probably not a health concern no matter what and it does go away. Or so lots of folks seem to believe.

OF

You also haven't proven the vapor to be coming from the rubber. That is a theory. And you ignoring my point that davinci themselves told me the product is not supposed to do this.

 

[OF]

I understand it might go away, its just not comforting to think that it could be there while vaping, it is hard to tell if you are inhaling both at the same time... All i want is for Davinci themselves to adress the situation

I get that, but I sure don't expect DV to get into this, do you really?

In a twisted way it's kind of a 'when did you stop beating your wife?' thing. A no win for them?

Past saying it shouldn't be happening (and why would they ever say it should?) and offering replacements there's really not much they can do I think....or they would?

As Mae West said, "you pays your money and takes your choice".

OF

 

[plazmablast]

I get that, but I sure don't expect DV to get into this, do you really?

In a twisted way it's kind of a 'when did you stop beating your wife?' thing. A no win for them?

Past saying it shouldn't be happening (and why would they ever say it should?) and offering replacements there's really not much they can do I think....or they would?

As Mae West said, "you pays your money and takes your choice".

OF

Although you do give good arguments, it is not good for their customers to be scared of their product... I mean, come on that is ridiculous. If the fumes arent natural at least tell us exactly what they are or SOMETHING... I am still returning my DV due to this and getting a pax instead, sorry for them but they just lost a customer.

 

[ej2389]

I get that, but I sure don't expect DV to get into this, do you really?

In a twisted way it's kind of a 'when did you stop beating your wife?' thing. A no win for them?

Past saying it shouldn't be happening (and why would they ever say it should?) and offering replacements there's really not much they can do I think....or they would?

As Mae West said, "you pays your money and takes your choice".

OF

Any company should be willing to answer to reports like this, if only to dispel a myth. If they aren't they are hiding something.

 

[ej2389]

Although you do give good arguments, it is not good for their customers to be scared of their product... I mean, come on that is ridiculous. If the fumes arent natural at least tell us exactly what they are or SOMETHING... I am still returning my DV due to this and getting a pax instead, sorry for them but they just lost a customer.

Good job. At least someone else around here recognizes how absolutely crazy this is.

 

[OF]

Good job. At least someone else around here recognizes how absolutely crazy this is.

No, I see it as your scaring off a guy who hasn't even seen his yet. Big difference.

By all means go find a product that makes you happy, that's the whole idea.

OF

 

[ej2389]

No, I see it as your scaring off a guy who hasn't even seen his yet. Big difference.

By all means go find a product that makes you happy, that's the whole idea.

OF

I'm not scaring him off. He already said if it does this at all he doesn't want to take the risk. Even you admit they do this at least in the beggining. That alone violates his wants. If I'm scaring him off, then so are you.

 

[plazmablast]

I'm not scaring him off. He already said if it does this at all he doesn't want to take the risk. Even you admit they do this at least in the beggining. That alone violates his wants.

This is pretty much true, I ordered the product not knowing about these fumes, I know all vapes have fumes at first due to production. But, when for a lot of people these fumes have stayed around and I have also checked out some videos, it does not seem too safe. I havnt heard any of these problems with the PAX so far. If anything the only problem with the pax is cleaning it all the time