HighTime
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Anyone?
Dani BFG vs Anvil Vestratto
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PrematureEvaporation
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I have!
Thermocore isn’t a whole lot different to the previous ovens IME. A “finishing touch” evolution rather than the total revolution that the original oven was when it hit the market. It has touch more heat retention, needs slightly less heat to click and has a little better flavour when RTL’ing. Better IH compatibility too.
Fusion 2.0 has a higher temp click compared to 1.0, bigger bowl with (rather janky) half bowl setting, and one turn less threading to take the cap on and off. Not great IH compatibility but you can make it work with a bit of effort.
Both ovens are just nice evolutions of the previous one.
Compared to each other - the Fusion has the better flavour, and a higher potential convection. The thermocore has the harder hits and more conduction potential.
Saying that, I can make both perform pretty close to the other by understanding how they transfer heat. Blasting the thermocore higher up with a big dab torch produces a very convectiony hit with better flavour and a more heady effect like the fusion. If I take a dynavap sized torch, and heat the fusion on the lowest steel ring as slowly as possible (15 seconds past click for RTL, around 40-50 seconds total heating) I can get that same instant dense vapour and heavy conduction hybrid effect of the thermocore. I’d even go as far to say I think I prefer the fusion with the slow roast tek to the thermocore, when talking pure intensity of effects.
If it’s a toss up between the two, I’d ask whether you prioritise convection and flavour, or conduction and effects. Because it’s easier to get the former with the fusion, and easier to get the latter with the thermocore. That’s relatively speaking, as neither are objectively difficult to use. I do think that the fusion is consistently better tasting regardless of tek though.
I prefer the fusion right now. Purely because of the straw loading ability, the more forgiving nature, the stunning wooden stems and of course the lower price. It takes a decent bit longer to heat for thermocore effects but I don’t mind at all.
zeebudz
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I'm not equipped to chime in re the specific question posed by OP, but IMO this one sentence has got to be a vaporist mantra as it seems to hold true for many device comparison/discussions.
HighTime
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Thank you so much for the thoughtful, detailed explanation! For what I’m interested in in a new vape for my collection, the Anvil Thermocore appears to be checking all the boxes. From what I’ve read, I understand also that it works well with the Wand, which is exactly as I would intend to use it.
PrematureEvaporation
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It does work fairly good with the wand, but I wouldn’t say it’s quite as good as a torch. If you want to use the wand it may be worth checking out Vestratto’s new tornado vape - it has much better wand performance, good enough to be the primary heating method
HighTime
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Thanks for this as well! It looks intriguing and now may be a better choice. I will get to researching the tornado as soon as I get a chance.
Bakin4Life
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Vgoodiez put the Dani 2.0 products on sale ('holiday10' at checkout).
I ordered one, based on @PrematureEvaporation 's rec. Might not hit as hard as my Anvil, but I can use that one, natively, if desired. I expect the Dani to have good flavor. Was looking for a new mains-free device for my upcoming snowbirding, and this looks to be a nice add.
I ordered one, based on @PrematureEvaporation 's rec. Might not hit as hard as my Anvil, but I can use that one, natively, if desired. I expect the Dani to have good flavor. Was looking for a new mains-free device for my upcoming snowbirding, and this looks to be a nice add.
endof3d
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@PrematureEvaporation review of the Fusion and Anvil is spot on. Particularly his assessment of using a smaller torch to slow heat the Dani to get a more conduction experience that IMO is equal to the Anvil in effects. Both are refined, quality devices.
For me the Dani advantage is better flavor and being able to use it without an additional glass cooling stem. The Anvil is just to harsh for my lungs natively. Of course the price difference is very noticeable as well.
The Dani Fusion is a quality device and I think now that Vgoodies sells it, the Dani Fusion will get the exposure and respect it deserves. Having said that, Wesley at wesleypipesandmore.com and Phil at soothingvapour.ca offer good prices, selection and excellent customer service.
For me the Dani advantage is better flavor and being able to use it without an additional glass cooling stem. The Anvil is just to harsh for my lungs natively. Of course the price difference is very noticeable as well.
The Dani Fusion is a quality device and I think now that Vgoodies sells it, the Dani Fusion will get the exposure and respect it deserves. Having said that, Wesley at wesleypipesandmore.com and Phil at soothingvapour.ca offer good prices, selection and excellent customer service.
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maremaresing
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I'm anxiously awaiting my "all metal all the time" bundle from Wesley to ship next week. I jumped the gun on the sale as soon as it hit the website lol.
Vgoodies is great and thats a fine discount if you are getting other things from them, but $150 and free shipping for a Fusion 2.0, metal WPA, and metal decapper, is a screaming deal for me. I wanted all of those things.
I've got several of the Dani's, but am excited to see how the fusion performs with opened airflow in all of my stems and glass.
Vgoodies is great and thats a fine discount if you are getting other things from them, but $150 and free shipping for a Fusion 2.0, metal WPA, and metal decapper, is a screaming deal for me. I wanted all of those things.
All Metal, All The Time
Here's the Fusion 2.0 with the new metal coolstem, metal wpa, and magnetic cap remover. As with all fusion 2.0 purchases, this come with a leather sleeve and extra orings
d88f80-b5.myshopify.com
I've got several of the Dani's, but am excited to see how the fusion performs with opened airflow in all of my stems and glass.
coolbreeze
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Lol. Same. Long wooden Fusion 2.0 + wooden WPA incoming! Thanks, @PrematureEvaporation!
PrematureEvaporation
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I hope everyone who’s ordered a Fusion off the back of my comments enjoys it as much as I do 
For the price you just can’t go wrong!
I’m currently blasting my Fusion with a big dab torch and getting some lovely convection forward flavour hits
For the price you just can’t go wrong!
I’m currently blasting my Fusion with a big dab torch and getting some lovely convection forward flavour hits
PrematureEvaporation
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That is stunning.. TSWooden knocks it out of the park every timeI caved and was lucky enough to grab a fusion poker, but also to win the wood lottery at the same time. It’ll fit nicely and compliment the Tornado rotation. Not enough time time give a fair assessment, but I’ve enjoyed the signature I’ve found so far.
someTooL
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Stem is lined, bowl side is only lined at insert. No wood taste. Pipe cleaners would take care of any needs
Bakin4Life
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(TL; DR: I liked it, and would buy it again)I hope everyone who’s ordered a Fusion off the back of my comments enjoys it as much as I do
For the price you just can’t go wrong!
I’m currently blasting my Fusion with a big dab torch and getting some lovely convection forward flavour hits
Well... I got mine today, and after disassembly / cleaning, I was able to spend a couple of hours with it. They were hours well spent
I ordered the long-stemmed wood version.
Since it looks so much like my 'Frank-An-Vil', as it was christened by someone here, I decided to use it the same way I use my Anvil (USA+add-ons)
Initial Thoughts:
Cleaning this thing should be very easy. The condenser assembly disassembles easier than the Anvil's. Only bad thing I ran into was extracting the spiral intercooler from the stem (use tweezers, from the big end. The condenser can't push it out from either end, and you can't shake it out).
The stem is fully lined stainless, which is supposed to dispel heat, and is easier to clean than a straight wood stem, to boot. In use, I found that the wooden stem still imparted some heat, with recurring cycling. The liner is a press-fit into the wood stem. Given that the stainless liner is nestled against the inner surface of the wood, I think something that dispelled heat more quickly might have been better--but that would add cost, of course.
I noted the screen was in the half-bowl setting. First thing I did was change that
Looks to be the standard Dynavap-style / size.Usage:
While the Anvil's and the Dani's clickers are calibrated differently, using the wand on the Dani showed that I could go +20s past its only heatup click, and the AVB wasn't as dark as what I get out of the Anvil, after a full 2-cycle extraction.
I also noticed that I was able to get additional draws, vs. my Anvil.
While the clickers aren't the same, the fact that I can apply the 'same' heat, longer... tells me that the Dani is more forgiving than my Anvil.
Yes, state of charge on the wand batts are a factor. I swapped to a fresh set, and experienced much the same result, though.
Flavor: Dani has it here, as many say (various sources). Smoother, less harsh, more & different flavor. This is demonstrably so on the first hit. Anvil hits a little harder. But I still enjoyed the effects from the Dani. Verrrry nice
(full disclosure: the Dani is brand-new, and it's about time to clean my Anvil...so they were opposite ends of cleanliness, which affects flavor, of course)
For RTL'ers: You can get some thick-ass vapor from this thing, and a WP will milk up beautifully.
So... since the payload in the Dani isn't being heated as much... potentially, that means one can draw longer / more heat cycles out of a bowl. Flavor chasers rejoice... lol. But if you've been using an Anvil, flavor isn't #1 on your list, anyway, right?
If the effects are right for you with a Dani, then you should use even less weed than the tiny amounts we use to begin with, I would think -? This should, in turn, be a great device for when weed supplies are tight, and you need to conserve.
I played with the adjustable airflow (2 settings & 'off'). Don't use 'off' (close off the airholes), unless you think you'd like to suck a golf ball through a straw. Seriously, I could not draw out of the thing with the airpath closed. Run it wide open, IMO. While the wooden stem has a ring of 4 drilled holes, 45 deg apart, no air travels through them, that I could tell.
Are there things I didn't like about the Dani? A couple. The worst one for me was how many threads are on the cap screw. It takes almost six (!) twists (roughly 3 full turns) to free the cap, vs. about 3/4 of a turn with the Anvil (I set both on a magnet I use). The thread size is coarser, so there's a little more potential to get it cross-threaded. Not a ton, but some.
The Dani is supposed to be WP compatible at both 10 and 14mm inlets, but I found the included mouthpiece very wobbly at 10mm. Use 14mm. If another mouthpiece became available, I'd seriously look at it, tbh.
Also... like the (early -?) Anvil users... leave the cap just shy of fully seated, or you'll have a hard time decapping. The leather sheath they send with it is handy for this. The cap is also magnetized, btw. But this is a stem loader, like the Dynavap. So you'll probably stab load it. I tried to scoop load it, like I do with my Anvil, and made a bit of a mess.
Final thoughts:
- If you're going to use an IH, get one more powerful than the Ispire. I noticed that mine was running hotter than it does with my Anvil (which makes sense... I was heating longer, and repeating more often).
- Conversely... I think an experienced torch user could get a LOT more out of this thing. I don't fancy torches, but I'm going to spend some time with one on this device, to see what's possible.
- Bang for buck: When you look at the machining on this thing, the fact that you're getting an XL-length wood stem (with stainless lining), adjustable cooling, and for about $150 US retail... that's not bad, IMO. By contrast, my Frank-An-Vil has about $100 more invested, and I'll say it now... it doesn't work $100 better than the Dani. Yes, it's made in Vietnam, and that helps explain how they met the price point.
I wanted something that I could at least be halfway satisfied with, when my Anvil wasn't available, or wanted to switch off from for a bit.
The Dani definitely fits that bill, and with fine tuning (which will take me a few days / weeks)... it might really shine, effects-wise. Time to break out the torches, and see what this little beastie can do.
Would I buy it again? After 2hrs or so with it? Yeah. I would. It was worth the spend, for me.
PrematureEvaporation
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Enjoyed reading this and the thorough detail you went into. I’m glad you’re enjoying it off the bat, and yeah definitely use a torch if you want best results(TL; DR: I liked it, and would buy it again)
Well... I got mine today, and after disassembly / cleaning, I was able to spend a couple of hours with it. They were hours well spent
I ordered the long-stemmed wood version.
Since it looks so much like my 'Frank-An-Vil', as it was christened by someone here, I decided to use it the same way I use my Anvil (USA+add-ons)
Initial Thoughts:
Cleaning this thing should be very easy. The condenser assembly disassembles easier than the Anvil's. Only bad thing I ran into was extracting the spiral intercooler from the stem (use tweezers, from the big end. The condenser can't push it out from either end, and you can't shake it out).
The stem is fully lined stainless, which is supposed to dispel heat, and is easier to clean than a straight wood stem, to boot. In use, I found that the wooden stem still imparted some heat, with recurring cycling. The liner is a press-fit into the wood stem. Given that the stainless liner is nestled against the inner surface of the wood, I think something that dispelled heat more quickly might have been better--but that would add cost, of course.
I noted the screen was in the half-bowl setting. First thing I did was change that
Usage:
While the Anvil's and the Dani's clickers are calibrated differently, using the wand on the Dani showed that I could go +20s past its only heatup click, and the AVB wasn't as dark as what I get out of the Anvil, after a full 2-cycle extraction.
I also noticed that I was able to get additional draws, vs. my Anvil.
While the clickers aren't the same, the fact that I can apply the 'same' heat, longer... tells me that the Dani is more forgiving than my Anvil.
Yes, state of charge on the wand batts are a factor. I swapped to a fresh set, and experienced much the same result, though.
Flavor: Dani has it here, as many say (various sources). Smoother, less harsh, more & different flavor. This is demonstrably so on the first hit. Anvil hits a little harder. But I still enjoyed the effects from the Dani. Verrrry nice
(full disclosure: the Dani is brand-new, and it's about time to clean my Anvil...so they were opposite ends of cleanliness, which affects flavor, of course)
For RTL'ers: You can get some thick-ass vapor from this thing, and a WP will milk up beautifully.
So... since the payload in the Dani isn't being heated as much... potentially, that means one can draw longer / more heat cycles out of a bowl. Flavor chasers rejoice... lol. But if you've been using an Anvil, flavor isn't #1 on your list, anyway, right?
If the effects are right for you with a Dani, then you should use even less weed than the tiny amounts we use to begin with, I would think -? This should, in turn, be a great device for when weed supplies are tight, and you need to conserve.
I played with the adjustable airflow (2 settings & 'off'). Don't use 'off' (close off the airholes), unless you think you'd like to suck a golf ball through a straw. Seriously, I could not draw out of the thing with the airpath closed. Run it wide open, IMO. While the wooden stem has a ring of 4 drilled holes, 45 deg apart, no air travels through them, that I could tell.
Are there things I didn't like about the Dani? A couple. The worst one for me was how many threads are on the cap screw. It takes almost six (!) twists (roughly 3 full turns) to free the cap, vs. about 3/4 of a turn with the Anvil (I set both on a magnet I use). The thread size is coarser, so there's a little more potential to get it cross-threaded. Not a ton, but some.
The Dani is supposed to be WP compatible at both 10 and 14mm inlets, but I found the included mouthpiece very wobbly at 10mm. Use 14mm. If another mouthpiece became available, I'd seriously look at it, tbh.
Also... like the (early -?) Anvil users... leave the cap just shy of fully seated, or you'll have a hard time decapping. The leather sheath they send with it is handy for this. The cap is also magnetized, btw. But this is a stem loader, like the Dynavap. So you'll probably stab load it. I tried to scoop load it, like I do with my Anvil, and made a bit of a mess.
Final thoughts:
- If you're going to use an IH, get one more powerful than the Ispire. I noticed that mine was running hotter than it does with my Anvil (which makes sense... I was heating longer, and repeating more often).
- Conversely... I think an experienced torch user could get a LOT more out of this thing. I don't fancy torches, but I'm going to spend some time with one on this device, to see what's possible.
- Bang for buck: When you look at the machining on this thing, the fact that you're getting an XL-length wood stem (with stainless lining), adjustable cooling, and for about $150 US retail... that's not bad, IMO. By contrast, my Frank-An-Vil has about $100 more invested, and I'll say it now... it doesn't work $100 better than the Dani. Yes, it's made in Vietnam, and that helps explain how they met the price point.
I wanted something that I could at least be halfway satisfied with, when my Anvil wasn't available, or wanted to switch off from for a bit.
The Dani definitely fits that bill, and with fine tuning (which will take me a few days / weeks)... it might really shine, effects-wise. Time to break out the torches, and see what this little beastie can do.
Would I buy it again? After 2hrs or so with it? Yeah. I would. It was worth the spend, for me.
A bigger torch and faster heatup is more convection and flavour, a smaller torch and slower heatup is more conduction and stronger effects.I’ll add a few things to some of your points-
The intercooler can be pushed out but it’s a little stiff at first. You’ll need to insert something from the mouthpiece end of the stem and push the intercooler out through the tip end of the stem. You just need to find something of the correct thickness. I find two qtips works well. Tweezers from the bottom of the stem also works well as you’ve found out.
The wand and the fusion are not very good friends at all. It’s been a known thing with the Dani line for a while that IH compatibility is poor. I tried a few times and gave up. The torch works best. There is also an IH for the Dani called the flare, it’s very well priced at £120 but is currently unavailable whilst they make some improvements for the second batch and then test it.
Even after removing a turn on the cap threading with 2.0 I agree it’s still a little longer than necessary. It does also have the potential to bind up if you screw it right down. I think there’s scope to remove a few more turns and smooth the threading out a bit without adding to the price.
The stem and liner actually have somewhat of an air gap between them. The holes are to allow some relief of heat coming up from the tip. Some people confuse those holes with air inlets at first. It’s actually quite effective as the 1.0 wooden stems would get a lot hotter and be prone to cracking. I very rarely see this with the 2.0 stems.
The airflow setting seems to work best fully open for native, and on one hole for WPA. As you found out you can also totally close it and be unable to pull any air through.
If you dislike the mouthpiece the Fusion is compatible with the 510 ones. Sometimes you may need a different oring size for best fit though. But it’s a nice option to get the mouthpiece you want without relying on BFG to make it
Bakin4Life
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Appreciate the feedback. Was worried about posting something this long, TBH. Glad you found it informative.Enjoyed reading this and the thorough detail you went into. I’m glad you’re enjoying it off the bat, and yeah definitely use a torch if you want best results
Being 'new' here, I see this site as a conduit between vendors / innovators, and a mix of product testers / end users--and yourself, specifically, as having a conduit with BFG for product feedback. You don't need to confirm / refute, if it will affect your status (yes, I'm overly cautious)
I can get it *out*... but I do worry about the effect of resin on this part, and having to extract it, vs. shaking it out. Maybe it was by design, to guard against loss (think: screens). I can deal with it, if that was the intent. I can also think of it potentially rattling around if it were sized smaller, and can understand if this was not done, in order to promote 'quality' (I wouldn't want a device rattling as I use it, either!)
Right -- I recognized the airgap. But, apparently, all the airflow goes through the inner liner / condenser, and none via this gap. Given your description about prior cracking, the groove incorporated into the ring of holes (90" apart, not 45" as previously stated
) should keep the wood from cracking around those holes, FWIW. So I won't clamor for making these into actual airflow holes 
I *am* going to play with a gap between the condenser / shield (the airflow), as I suspect the two parts should not be perfectly flush (airflow seems to be decreased, when they are). For now, the more air I can get through this thing, the better (I do DTL (or RTL as you seem to call it) for all but the initial hit (for terps / flavor)).
No response needed to any of this unless I'm absolutely off-base on my thoughts here. DMs will be held in confidence, as well.
endof3d
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@Bakin4Life If one reviews the early Dani posts, there were those who complained about the Dani V2's and 3's spiral inter cooler rattling. Wasn't a deal breaker for me, but others thought differently. BFG continued to initiate refinements in response to customer feedback and the rattling was one of many items they addressed.
I use a fine metal file like the one found on some finger nail clippers to smooth down the edges of the inter cooler to accommodate easier egress from the stem.
OT: I've enjoyed my collection of Dani's over the years and didn't realize how much until last August when an emergency 15 minute evacuation alert was declared for our area due to high winds and forest fires. After quickly packing all the essential, knowing everything else could be lost I ran to my vape area, looked at the shelf full of vapes, grabbed my cased collection of Dani's and bolted out the door. Weird how in a emergency situation one discovers what's most important to you.
These are the first 4 of 6 quick response birds, the heavy bombers and choppers were on the way.
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@Bakin4Life If one reviews the early Dani posts, there were those who complained about the Dani V2's and 3's spiral inter cooler rattling. Wasn't a deal breaker for me, but others thought differently. BFG continued to initiate refinements in response to customer feedback and the rattling was one of many items they addressed.
I use a fine metal file like the one found on some finger nail clippers to smooth down the edges of the inter cooler to accommodate easier egress from the stem.
OT: I've enjoyed my collection of Dani's over the years and didn't realize how much until last August when an emergency 15 minute evacuation alert was declared for our area due to high winds and forest fires. After quickly packing all the essential, knowing everything else could be lost I ran to my vape area, looked at the shelf full of vapes, grabbed my cased collection of Dani's and bolted out the door. Weird how in a emergency situation one discovers what's most important to you.
These are the first 4 of 6 quick response birds, the heavy bombers and choppers were on the way.
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Bakin4Life
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100%.
After a day with the kitchen torch & just rudimentary technique... this thing works a fucking treat
I'll stop there, as I'm thumbtyping. And very relaxed, as well 🫠