Vapetologist
HamsterDAMAGED
Edited my post, forgot to add the Vito disclaimer. Its something he and I will have to kindly disagree on.
Vapetologist
HamsterDAMAGED
Okay, but why? You lose the thumb rest, but what do you gain from the angle?
max
Out to lunch
Even with a horizontal angle (DBV) the bowl contents can spill out if it's loaded up and not packed. The upward wand angle on the SSV is spill proof. Since you list the SSV in your sig you should know that.
Vapetologist
HamsterDAMAGED
I should? Just because I own it, doesn't mean I spill it. I know that people say its about spillage, but I just don't think its a real-world concern.* And the SSV wand isn't 'spillproof' in any way whatsoever. On the DBV, sure the herbs can spill out, but do they? I have rocked both vapes for five straight years, and I have never spilled anything out of either when loading it into the vape. Packing the herb, or loading up full reduces airflow and I definitely don't recommend that. Straining the lungs can't be beneficial, but whatever floats thy boat.
I don't see how the SSV is spill proof. It may not fall out when you use the vape normally, but if a new user uses either the DBV or SSV and has blowback, it will instantly spill out and you get fire, and a mess to clean up. That's a reality. Does any other vape do this? I think its a design flaw. They could use additional secondary screens from the Q in the tip and the problem is solved - but creates another problem for 7th Floor. This request has been made of them many times, but for obvious reasons they refuse to provide them.
If you add the second screen, you completely eliminate the need for the angle. That causes issues for the SSV's marketing. Of the four things that set it apart from the DBV, that being glass, baseplate, paint, and angle, only the angle has to do with function. If you take that away, all you have left is cosmetics.
The LSV, fwiw, traps the herbs between two screens.
*I guess there are certain parts of the country where people are loading super dry dust, all the way to the tip, and I could see that falling out. But any ground herb of even minimal stickiness...no issues.
Edit: I guess the larger point I am trying to make here is that the angle is marketing. Okay, now its technically possible that something might fall out. And just because my reality is that it doesn't - isn't others reality - doesn't make the angle unnecessary. Okay. Different strokes for different folks. I get that its preference, fit, whatever works for you. Angle of the Dangle and so on.
Were they to enable a safer product that didn't allow herbs to fall back on to the heater cover, they kill important marketing for the SSV. And we as consumer lose, because both vapes are still susceptible to flame up like no other vaporizer. Its a pickle for them, no doubt. One that we are left to solve as consumers. If I produced vaporizers, and there was a chance in hell of a flame up like this - contained in the glass or not - I would not put it on the market until that issue was eliminated, completely. The solution? One single screen. Personally I find this situation just...odd. It's an issue that has existed since the vape was created nearly 9 years ago.
I don't see how the SSV is spill proof. It may not fall out when you use the vape normally, but if a new user uses either the DBV or SSV and has blowback, it will instantly spill out and you get fire, and a mess to clean up. That's a reality. Does any other vape do this? I think its a design flaw. They could use additional secondary screens from the Q in the tip and the problem is solved - but creates another problem for 7th Floor. This request has been made of them many times, but for obvious reasons they refuse to provide them.
If you add the second screen, you completely eliminate the need for the angle. That causes issues for the SSV's marketing. Of the four things that set it apart from the DBV, that being glass, baseplate, paint, and angle, only the angle has to do with function. If you take that away, all you have left is cosmetics.
The LSV, fwiw, traps the herbs between two screens.
*I guess there are certain parts of the country where people are loading super dry dust, all the way to the tip, and I could see that falling out. But any ground herb of even minimal stickiness...no issues.
Edit: I guess the larger point I am trying to make here is that the angle is marketing. Okay, now its technically possible that something might fall out. And just because my reality is that it doesn't - isn't others reality - doesn't make the angle unnecessary. Okay. Different strokes for different folks. I get that its preference, fit, whatever works for you. Angle of the Dangle and so on.
Were they to enable a safer product that didn't allow herbs to fall back on to the heater cover, they kill important marketing for the SSV. And we as consumer lose, because both vapes are still susceptible to flame up like no other vaporizer. Its a pickle for them, no doubt. One that we are left to solve as consumers. If I produced vaporizers, and there was a chance in hell of a flame up like this - contained in the glass or not - I would not put it on the market until that issue was eliminated, completely. The solution? One single screen. Personally I find this situation just...odd. It's an issue that has existed since the vape was created nearly 9 years ago.
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Vitolo
Vaporist
DISAGREE-
The angle is not marketing.
I use, and show the DBV because it is more affordable to some patients.
Even though the less able patients buy a DBV, they eventually get an SSV.
Reason they site: "The angle is more convenient"
It is one man's opinion to think that that tilt is a marketing strategy.
That convenient angle is the reason that I use the SSV daily, and the reason
patients here prefer it as well.
Nobody said the SSV was spill proof. They said it was less likely to spill.
Tried... proven... and accepted.
Argument about the SSV angle being inappropriate sounds like
personal agenda.
The angle is not marketing.
I use, and show the DBV because it is more affordable to some patients.
Even though the less able patients buy a DBV, they eventually get an SSV.
Reason they site: "The angle is more convenient"
It is one man's opinion to think that that tilt is a marketing strategy.
That convenient angle is the reason that I use the SSV daily, and the reason
patients here prefer it as well.
Nobody said the SSV was spill proof. They said it was less likely to spill.
Tried... proven... and accepted.
Argument about the SSV angle being inappropriate sounds like
personal agenda.
mmenzie
My friends call me "Menz"
i will say i love my DBV for the "hands free" operation of it. Now do i use it totally hands free??? no i do not but since i use my bubbler with my DBV i do use the hands free alot. for example...
load my DBV wand
insert into hands free GG connection
insert WPA adapter with hose into bubbler
take a pull and as i get to the end of my pull i use free hand that is not holding my bubbler in place to pull the WPA out of my bubbler
as i clear my bubbler i use my free hand to remove the wand from the GG connection
stir bowl
repeat
so you see i need the "hands free" to hold the wand in my DBV while i take a hit, but the wand does not stay in the GG connection throughout the session. i just need it for temp uses. not saying it can't (cause i believe the SSV has a hands free option), but i could not do this with the stock SSV setup. the angle probably would net help me either but like i said if i had the SSV with the "hands free" GG connection i probably could.
i like my DBV for what i personally use it for and see no need for an SSV at this time.
as always..... any opinions or statements in the above post are strictly my opinion only
load my DBV wand
insert into hands free GG connection
insert WPA adapter with hose into bubbler
take a pull and as i get to the end of my pull i use free hand that is not holding my bubbler in place to pull the WPA out of my bubbler
as i clear my bubbler i use my free hand to remove the wand from the GG connection
stir bowl
repeat
so you see i need the "hands free" to hold the wand in my DBV while i take a hit, but the wand does not stay in the GG connection throughout the session. i just need it for temp uses. not saying it can't (cause i believe the SSV has a hands free option), but i could not do this with the stock SSV setup. the angle probably would net help me either but like i said if i had the SSV with the "hands free" GG connection i probably could.
i like my DBV for what i personally use it for and see no need for an SSV at this time.
as always..... any opinions or statements in the above post are strictly my opinion only
Vapetologist
HamsterDAMAGED
Wow. Riled.
That is a great reason to have the angle. One that I understand, and can easily accept as needed. And there are probably a thousand others. That I what I was seeking when I originally asked.
I asked for reasons that people needed the angle, and you have provided on several occasions reasons why. I was seeking others opinions, and Max came strong with his reasons. And he seemedshocked dismissive when I wasn't in total agreement due to my ownership of both vapes. So, I responded about my thoughts on his thoughts. I hope that is the point of this forum.
Agreed. So, I believe, is Max's opinion for spillage. He has every right to express that, and I thought I did too. Isn't that what we are doing here?
Actually, max did.
I feel that is a valid comment, or opinion, that I am allowed to disagree with. I offered my position.
You are completely misquoting me. I never said it was inappropriate. Ever. I have it. I own it. I used it daily. I love it. I am saying, that its marketing, erroneous IMO at that, and they hold on to it tightly to separate it from the DBV. They don't market convenience, they market spillage.
And I added that if they added a second screen, they could eliminate the fire hazard, a result of spillage or blow back or just jostling the vape accidentally with the wand in it...and thus also eliminate their stated benefit of the angle. Not your stated benefit.
I have no personal agenda. I was asking for opinions, and sure got a few. I support that company wholeheartedly.
That is a great reason to have the angle. One that I understand, and can easily accept as needed. And there are probably a thousand others. That I what I was seeking when I originally asked.
I asked for reasons that people needed the angle, and you have provided on several occasions reasons why. I was seeking others opinions, and Max came strong with his reasons. And he seemed
Agreed. So, I believe, is Max's opinion for spillage. He has every right to express that, and I thought I did too. Isn't that what we are doing here?
Actually, max did.
I feel that is a valid comment, or opinion, that I am allowed to disagree with. I offered my position.
You are completely misquoting me. I never said it was inappropriate. Ever. I have it. I own it. I used it daily. I love it. I am saying, that its marketing, erroneous IMO at that, and they hold on to it tightly to separate it from the DBV. They don't market convenience, they market spillage.
And I added that if they added a second screen, they could eliminate the fire hazard, a result of spillage or blow back or just jostling the vape accidentally with the wand in it...and thus also eliminate their stated benefit of the angle. Not your stated benefit.
I have no personal agenda. I was asking for opinions, and sure got a few. I support that company wholeheartedly.
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Vitolo
Vaporist
The idea of a second screen in my mind, will slow down the stir.
I stir between hits, and also use this time to smash up the bud a bit more with the stir tool.
The whole concept of the wand... at least in the manner I use it is to have easy access to the "load" for the rapid unimpeded stir.
I stir between hits, and also use this time to smash up the bud a bit more with the stir tool.
The whole concept of the wand... at least in the manner I use it is to have easy access to the "load" for the rapid unimpeded stir.
Vapetologist
HamsterDAMAGED
Agreed. The second screen should be mounted in the HC, ala the LSV. That fix, however, is not one we users can just purchase like the Q screens.
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
To me it's not about angle or no angle it's about hands free or no hands free. DBV came hands free and is cheaper than the SSV with the same internals. If I'm going to be sitting in one place long enough to vape a bowl of herb in desktop it's usually because it's the end of the day and I'm chillin out on the couch exhausted from work watching a movie or something like that ... last thing I want to be doing is tinkering around all the time with the wand. I've found I can take 3 nice big dense hits before I need to stir the bowl so the hands free comes into play a lot for me.
With the angle up of the SSV if you get the ground glass kit there's more of a risk of the wand falling out of the heater cover.
Plus the right angles of the DBV are so feng shui
With the angle up of the SSV if you get the ground glass kit there's more of a risk of the wand falling out of the heater cover.
Plus the right angles of the DBV are so feng shui
Vapetologist
HamsterDAMAGED
Ladies and Germs we have a WINNER:
Plus the right angles of the DBV are so feng shui
Vitolo
Vaporist
I understand now.
Hi everyone! Just finished reading all the pages in this thread and I am definitely buying a Da Buddha soon. I just have one question. I plan to use the Pinnacle Hydrotube and was wondering what I need to make it work with the DBV.
Awww shiet that's what I like to hear! Thanks 2 Paces. Cannot wait till I get this vape
Jahannum
(｡´∀｀)ﾉ
Just ordered a DBV black hole and cannot wait for it to come in. Went with 3day UPS, so the wait will not kill me too badly. I was very close to buying a Cloud, but went with the Buddha, and plan to buy a Cloud in 4-6 months.
Curious to hear from others that own a DBV as well. Anything in particular to look forward to, or neat uses? Forgive my excitement, just joined the vapor world and am itching to replace this E Z Vape.
mod note: This doesn't belong anywhere but in the Da Buddha thread, and certainly not in General Vaporization. Thread moved and merged.
Curious to hear from others that own a DBV as well. Anything in particular to look forward to, or neat uses? Forgive my excitement, just joined the vapor world and am itching to replace this E Z Vape.
mod note: This doesn't belong anywhere but in the Da Buddha thread, and certainly not in General Vaporization. Thread moved and merged.
lazylathe
Almost there...
Head on over to the plug in vaporizer section and read up on your vape.
I am sure there are many, many pages of interesting reading ahead for you!
Here is a link:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/da-buddha.172/
So far 124 pages, so not too bad!
I am sure there are many, many pages of interesting reading ahead for you!
Here is a link:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/da-buddha.172/
So far 124 pages, so not too bad!
Jahannum
(｡´∀｀)ﾉ
O_o Gonna check it out, thanks for the link!
420GanjX
Well-Known Member
Like Ned429 stated couldnt we just place the correct sized screens into the heater cover to prevent future flare ups. They may have to fit snug or be pressed in to stay in Da Buddha HC
But im thinking with the Standard HC on the SSV thanks to the its design (narrowing hole/connection) & the SSV's angle, we could just drop a basic fitting screen in there which should stay in place
But im thinking with the Standard HC on the SSV thanks to the its design (narrowing hole/connection) & the SSV's angle, we could just drop a basic fitting screen in there which should stay in place
KidFated.
Unknown Member
dbv and water filtration adapter expected Tuesday, doubt itll make it before work at noon though.. so pumped. cant wait to find tha sweet spot.. i expect to learn this new units in and outs pretty quickly but we'll see how it goes! $177 and change at @VaporNation using that fc discount, and lots of freebies. then i got my da vinci and da buddha and few to retire. happy vapin guys 