PuffNStuff
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I also said it need a little more bend in the neck but the piece looks nice
Custom Glass Ideas/Designs Thread
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I also said it need a little more bend in the neck but the piece looks niceI currently don't own a dcycler, so I'm not really sure what size would be best. But I would only use it for vaping, and generally I prefer small pieces. Maybe some users, who already own one, could give some feedback on the optimal size for it.
MoltenTiger
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I still think side-car > bubbler mouthpiece for glass of this size. Reduces height, looks sharp and is better for watching the can in action.
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As to the dimensions of a new D-Cycler, I think 26cm tall, shorter SG18F down-stem in location that can be viewed from MP for flower burning, 6x10cm main chamber with honeycomb barrel perc, pinched vortex chamber for maximum vortex time, reaches 8cm above main chamber, glass features like the ones in the new mothership ball perc piece, 45 degree elevation side car mp attached and think hexagonal base.
It would be cool if we could promote designs that weren't blatant rip-offs of other pieces, even avoiding copying perc designs. It's not like they are going to be made to the same standard, so why not just build something that works well for the standard of construction?
Drilled holes, angled slits etc. are much better suited if laser cutting isn't an option.
MilkyMondays
Well-Known Member
Just sent Steven this message:
Steven,
Would it be possible to have this mouthpiece as an option?
http://s22.postimg.org/eo5jnidj5/215mobius_2443.jpg
Many FC forum members requested this as the preferred style.
Steven,
Would it be possible to have this mouthpiece as an option?
http://s22.postimg.org/eo5jnidj5/215mobius_2443.jpg
Many FC forum members requested this as the preferred style.
EverythingsHazy
Well-Known Member
Just sent Steven this message:
Steven,
Would it be possible to have this mouthpiece as an option?
http://s22.postimg.org/eo5jnidj5/215mobius_2443.jpg
Many FC forum members requested this as the preferred style.
I still don't understand how that mouthpiece works. Are you just looking straight down at the table?
Dangus
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
It looks like a normal mouthpiece, but the 'top' is sealed, and there is a 'sipper' opening
It looks like a normal mouthpiece, but the 'top' is sealed, and there is a 'sipper' opening
Really? Wtf 
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
No way man, seriously..? Sipper?
There's a time and place, and I don't think it's on much scientific glass. I think that design can work quite nicely with heady pieces, but scientific bongs? It just seems unappealing to me.
Something similar to this piece allows three things:
+ Outer lip function, better for sharing
+ good view of chamber and inlet
+ distance from inlet and some water protection
Side car mouthpieces are where it's at. I don't even own a side car piece, I have mostly straight glass and one bubbler (D020). I think I'd like one for my next piece, as the bent neck bubbler is nice to use but wouldn't really suit a piece bigger than a D020. Sidecars scale up better in terms of looks and are easy to produce consistently.
I think a good recommendation to Chinese bong blowers, would be to categorise their product range.
It seems too up in the air over what water tool would serve which purpose, and it seems likely the vast majority of the market isn't even aimed at a particular method of use.
I would also like to see some modular pieces and some affordable hydro tubes become available in the near future..
There's a time and place, and I don't think it's on much scientific glass. I think that design can work quite nicely with heady pieces, but scientific bongs? It just seems unappealing to me.
Something similar to this piece allows three things:
+ Outer lip function, better for sharing
+ good view of chamber and inlet
+ distance from inlet and some water protection
Side car mouthpieces are where it's at. I don't even own a side car piece, I have mostly straight glass and one bubbler (D020). I think I'd like one for my next piece, as the bent neck bubbler is nice to use but wouldn't really suit a piece bigger than a D020. Sidecars scale up better in terms of looks and are easy to produce consistently.
I think a good recommendation to Chinese bong blowers, would be to categorise their product range.
It seems too up in the air over what water tool would serve which purpose, and it seems likely the vast majority of the market isn't even aimed at a particular method of use.
I would also like to see some modular pieces and some affordable hydro tubes become available in the near future..
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Can you point me to where "many" members asked for his style?Just sent Steven this message:
Steven,
Would it be possible to have this mouthpiece as an option?
http://s22.postimg.org/eo5jnidj5/215mobius_2443.jpg
Many FC forum members requested this as the preferred style.
IMO it's pretty crap...
I can see how some would like it, but I honestly don't recall it ever being popular around here...
What piece were you referring to when you asked steven to make it an option?
No way man, seriously..? Sipper?
There's a time and place, and I don't think it's on much scientific glass. I think that design can work quite nicely with heady pieces, but scientific bongs? It just seems unappealing to me.
Something similar to this piece allows three things:
+ Outer lip function, better for sharing
+ good view of chamber and inlet
+ distance from inlet and some water protection
Side car mouthpieces are where it's at. I don't even own a side car piece, I have mostly straight glass and one bubbler (D020). I think I'd like one for my next piece, as the bent neck bubbler is nice to use but wouldn't really suit a piece bigger than a D020. Sidecars scale up better in terms of looks and are easy to produce consistently.
I think a good recommendation to Chinese bong blowers, would be to categorise their product range.
It seems too up in the air over what water tool would serve which purpose, and it seems likely the vast majority of the market isn't even aimed at a particular method of use.
I would also like to see some modular pieces and some affordable hydro tubes become available in the near future..
I was planning on trying to work with steven on a couple of proper full-size hydratubes once the devastator clone was finalized.
I figured it'll be a bit easier to explain the concept if it's already got a companion piece to go with it
IMO the Chinese blowers would have NFI how to categorize their bongs.
I can't see it being a uniform split amongst different vendors, and honestly, any bong is suitable for any purpose...
A tiny dab rig may not be the best for flowers, but it will pass vapor through water and condition it to some level...
IMO just let the buyer determine what the piece will be used for...
Otherwise I can just see a flood of "I want to vape through this but it's listed as a dab rig, does this mean it's somehow incompatible with any other form of vapor?" Questions popping up...
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If Steven attempts this...the early adopters will be hitting it with their chin resting on the vape attached to it.
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Looks weird as balls to me the first time too
But yeah, it's a sipper mouthpiece on the side...
How so?If Steven attempts this...the early adopters will be hitting it with their chin resting on the vape attached to it.
I think the design is ugly and not to my preference, but it should be functional...
Unless he managed to put the mouthpiece opening on the wrong side...
I feel like I'm missing a "WHOOSH" here?
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Bahaha, I'd only ever pictured someone using it from a standard orientation, but I can totally picture what you were saying now
EverythingsHazy
Well-Known Member
Looks weird as balls to me the first time too
But yeah, it's a sipper mouthpiece on the side...
Yea, lmao. I didn't see that until I made the closeup shot of the mouthpiece larger and got a better look. I thought the opening was on top and you either had your forehead/hair on your vape/fiery bowl, or you were on the side of it, looking down at nothing lmao
I still don't like it, but it makes much more sense than before.
I feel like bubbler style necks work best with almost any piece that has a can shape. They function really well, help prevent splash back more than any neck that comes out of the top, and allow the best view into the can. Not being able to see the piece bubble and fill with vapor, is a huge turn-off for me, because you don't get to enjoy watching it, and you don't get to gauge how milked up the piece is, or how much vapor can still be extracted from your bowl (vapor density of each hit).
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
I'd argue that a sidecar gives the best view of the can, but yeah, pretty much agree with all that
EverythingsHazy
Well-Known Member
For anyone interested in the 18mm-Female D-Cycler for flowers, input on these measurements would help speed things along.
mrgohamilton
Well-Known Member
Just sent Steven this message:
Steven,
Would it be possible to have this mouthpiece as an option?
http://s22.postimg.org/eo5jnidj5/215mobius_2443.jpg
Many FC forum members requested this as the preferred style.
lol i was lookin at this thing all sorts of ways until i saw how it was actually oriented.
I had a silika recycler [RIP] that had this kind of mouthpiece and it had a very nice, smooth draw and was perfect for concentrates. It allowed a slower draw than the "standard" bong like opening. Instead of a circular opening, it had a narrower, oval shape opening (which is being pictured above) instead of a circle and honestly did a better job than most circular openings.
My silika had the mouthpiece go almost vertical,and then horizontal, in a opposite orientation than the post above though.
MilkyMondays
Well-Known Member
Its a "bubbler style" neck placement w/ a really functional mouthpiece in the appealing new mobius stylings... I believe you or at least a few other members specifically asked for a bubbler style neck and I want it to look nice... I thought happy medium. I have failed. Honestly it would look just fine with the fc-1000 bubbler neck on there.
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For anyone interested in the 18mm-Female D-Cycler for flowers, input on these measurements would help speed things along.
Really can't comment much on these dimensions since I don't have the other Dcycler, but here's my opinions:
A: 50mm
B: 65mm
C: ??
D: 275mm to 300mm
E: 150mm
F: 10mm tall by 100mm diameter
G: ?? maybe 10 to 15mm?
Note 300mm overall means this piece would be 11.75inches tall which I think is pretty good, maybe too big?
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
I didn't want to say it XD
Although this particular mobius piece does look very nice and I'm sure it would hit swell, it aint worth wet lips. Few things are.
That would be legit!
If you want assistance, I'm offering it. Whatever that's worth
Can do technical drawings if required, could design a fully modular range that can be plugged and swapped in accordance to what is being inhaled..?
Yeah, very evident and fair enough to them. You can buy bongs in airports in China, I'm pretty sure they have a very different idea about them. (they smoke tailored cigs through them for the most part, from what I saw)
I guess the point I was attempting to make, was that the influence on design from us prospective buyers has had effect on the range that is available. It seems that mostly when this happens, and it happens with most items being produced on the cheap, counterfeit products are the result.
In this instance, at least, there is no point to reproducing image.
It's a bit like buying an art piece or a stock canvas print.
What we want is a range of canvas prints that don't look like shit and make you vomit.
What we don't want is a heap of immitation pieces that suck and make you vomit. (although most of the newer pieces seem pretty spot on, the fact that mobius labels are being applied is poor taste)
What you say about a bong being just a bong isn't strictly true. When a hose and plastic bottle offers better results - that chunk of glass is a bloody useless bong. But for connecting to a herb vaporiser, it works like a treat.
And we already have the problem of having to guess if a piece will work at all, at least if it was listed as 'made for oil', 'made for combusting' etc. it would be clear that some thought has gone into what that object actually is. Many designs out there have me wondering.
And it makes those question threads answerable until they are no longer made.
This is what it will always come down to anyway, but I think it would be good to stray away from passing on semi-luxurious pieces to copy, and pass on information as to how to make something as good or better. Which is something that's happening, and that's where the benefit is. It's not like there's no creativity on the fabrication line. It seems glass bongs are made on the side to more traditional uses of glass, limiting the time allocated per unit and cutting the design potential right down.
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
I had a muck around on sketchup playing around with the Dcycler design,
came up with this
Basically as the chamber size has increased, swapping to a disc perc would stack the bubbles better, flared bottom chamber allows more water for better cooling and freshness, and is shaped to force splash and clouds the right way through the recycling function (as there isn't a cage perc), pinched central stem-line out of the middle chamber allows for maximum vortex spin time, small chamber up top catches any splash and circulates inhalent to desired smoothness.
It's not much difference as the original dcycler piece looks to work really well.
This version would be just over 4 inches taller and would be better suited for combusting or smoother, less tasteful hits.
The disc perc would hopefully stack well enough with a vapour line attached. I have a honeycomb piece the same radius attached to an EQ and it stacks really nicely with very little effort.
came up with this
Basically as the chamber size has increased, swapping to a disc perc would stack the bubbles better, flared bottom chamber allows more water for better cooling and freshness, and is shaped to force splash and clouds the right way through the recycling function (as there isn't a cage perc), pinched central stem-line out of the middle chamber allows for maximum vortex spin time, small chamber up top catches any splash and circulates inhalent to desired smoothness.
It's not much difference as the original dcycler piece looks to work really well.
This version would be just over 4 inches taller and would be better suited for combusting or smoother, less tasteful hits.
The disc perc would hopefully stack well enough with a vapour line attached. I have a honeycomb piece the same radius attached to an EQ and it stacks really nicely with very little effort.
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Eh, with that sipper mouthpiece I wouldn't consider it the same as a bubbler neck/mouthpiece at all...
I've always considered "bubbler" style to include both the side-of-can neck placement and an open/flared mouthpiece.
If I had to describe it to someone, I'd say something like
"it's basically a bubbler neck, but with a sipper mouthpiece"
I personally hate sipper style mouthpieces.
I thought the general consensus from a few polls a while back was that most members generally preferred open mouthpieces too.
(Actually, now that I think about it, I kinda consider open/flared mouthpieces to be the standard, and anything with a sipper mouthpiece is basically an asterisk on that type...
Tube*, Sidecar*, Bubbler*...)
There's nothing wrong with wanting to make the piece better, but where was the collaboration?
You didn't throw the idea out here on FC (as far as I know of), you just went and told steven that's what we wanted...
I get that it was just honest misunderstanding, but this is why we tried to keep the points of contact with steven to a minimum earlier in the thread...
By hashing it out here first, then having a somewhat consistent contact person with steven, we can ensure that
A) the piece that gets made is what most people would want
B) Steven doesn't screw up the design by having input coming from so many directions
TL-DR
IMO better form would have been to just post it up here first with something like;
"I think this would make all the bubbler neck fans happy and I like the look of it, what do you guys think?
Should I send it to steven?"
If everyone agreed it was better we'd even be able to knock up a photoshop of the proposed new design before we sent it too
1 hour later, super edit:
I really like that ~30cm/12inches height.
It makes the piece a nice size, not too large, but still a nice volume when paired with a vape.
C: should be E+A = 200mm - this would make the joint stick up just above the return funnel.
= C: 200mm
Id assume the return drain would be like 1cm diameter, so that would leave G at (A-1cm)/2
= G: 20mm
I think the ratio of E(can):B(funnel) should be about 3:2, with E+B = 200 - 220mm
= E: 130mm
= B: 90mm
I thought on the original diagram F was another E, and figured the base would be the same diameter as the main can height.
So, my slightly refined version of your numbers would be:
A: 50mm
B: 90mm
C: 200mm
D: 300mm
E: 130mm
F: 10mm tall by 100 - 130mm diameter
G: 20mm
I didn't want to say it XD
Although this particular mobius piece does look very nice and I'm sure it would hit swell, it aint worth wet lips. Few things are.
That would be legit!
If you want assistance, I'm offering it. Whatever that's worth
Can do technical drawings if required, could design a fully modular range that can be plugged and swapped in accordance to what is being inhaled..?
Yeah, very evident and fair enough to them. You can buy bongs in airports in China, I'm pretty sure they have a very different idea about them. (they smoke tailored cigs through them for the most part, from what I saw)
I guess the point I was attempting to make, was that the influence on design from us prospective buyers has had effect on the range that is available. It seems that mostly when this happens, and it happens with most items being produced on the cheap, counterfeit products are the result.
In this instance, at least, there is no point to reproducing image.
It's a bit like buying an art piece or a stock canvas print.
What we want is a range of canvas prints that don't look like shit and make you vomit.
What we don't want is a heap of immitation pieces that suck and make you vomit. (although most of the newer pieces seem pretty spot on, the fact that mobius labels are being applied is poor taste)
What you say about a bong being just a bong isn't strictly true. When a hose and plastic bottle offers better results - that chunk of glass is a bloody useless bong. But for connecting to a herb vaporiser, it works like a treat.
And we already have the problem of having to guess if a piece will work at all, at least if it was listed as 'made for oil', 'made for combusting' etc. it would be clear that some thought has gone into what that object actually is. Many designs out there have me wondering.
And it makes those question threads answerable until they are no longer made.
This is what it will always come down to anyway, but I think it would be good to stray away from passing on semi-luxurious pieces to copy, and pass on information as to how to make something as good or better. Which is something that's happening, and that's where the benefit is. It's not like there's no creativity on the fabrication line. It seems glass bongs are made on the side to more traditional uses of glass, limiting the time allocated per unit and cutting the design potential right down.
I pretty much agree with everything you said
I just feel like categorizing/labelling pieces as "intended/designed for X/Y" will lead to so many people asking but "can it be used for Y/X?"
It's just such a silly question that it shits me - just about any bong can be used for just about any purpose.
Absolutely some designs are better for certain applications, the FC-710 is absolutely designed for concentrates, but I've still vaped with my sub through it
...Like the whole "isn't that too much diffusion for vapor/dabs/whatever?"...
No. It's personal preference. Some people want/need very high diffusion pieces, even for vapor...
It's probably just something that annoys me more than others
MyI had a muck around on sketchup playing around with the Dcycler design,
came up with this
Basically as the chamber size has increased, swapping to a disc perc would stack the bubbles better, flared bottom chamber allows more water for better cooling and freshness, and is shaped to force splash and clouds the right way through the recycling function (as there isn't a cage perc), pinched central stem-line out of the middle chamber allows for maximum vortex spin time, small chamber up top catches any splash and circulates inhalent to desired smoothness.
It's not much difference as the original dcycler piece looks to work really well.
This version would be just over 4 inches taller and would be better suited for combusting or smoother, less tasteful hits.
The disc perc would hopefully stack well enough with a vapour line attached. I have a honeycomb piece the same radius attached to an EQ and it stacks really nicely with very little effort.
If it was to switch to a disc perc, I'd want some kind of inline or other perc under it anyway - the weird chug of disc percs when the inlet forms a semi-natural perc is really annoying IMO
I prefer the aesthetics of a straight can/bottom chamber, but I could see that more beaker-ish chanber working too
I've never had any issues with splashback on my dcycler, the little nub the mouthpiece connects to seems to stop any splashback from being able to climb up there, so that extra top chamber seems a tad unnecessary (I wouldn't think it would smooth things out any much more than all the actual diffusion in the piece?),
I'm kinda 50/50 on it...
I don't think it would really add or detract from the function, and
The aesthetics of it work, but they also work without it
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Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Dcycler is a specific model, kinda a hybrid of a recycler and an incycler, but basically...
Dcycler = recycler
Recycler =/= dcycler
Aaaaand "cycler" just looks like a nonsensical string of letters now... Damn you semantic satiation
Zufi Raj
Master Zufi
With Regards to Necks....
Am I the only one who likes really thick necks with Ice Pinches for extra cooling? I think that they should be incorporated into some of these designs. Into a nice BIG piece.
I just got the FC1000 and excellent as it is I would have liked it even bigger with thicker glass.
Am I the only one who likes really thick necks with Ice Pinches for extra cooling? I think that they should be incorporated into some of these designs. Into a nice BIG piece.
I just got the FC1000 and excellent as it is I would have liked it even bigger with thicker glass.