Crackdown on Legalized Marijuana

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
A good article, I know it's long.

Trump policy on recreational marijuana seen as logistical nightmare
March 3, 2017 11:48 AM




Large Indoor Marijuana Commercial Growing Operation in Washington State.

By Jennifer Kaplan / Bloomberg News
When it comes to marijuana, medical is good, recreational is bad, according to White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer. At the Green Man Cannabis store in Denver, the difference is no wider than the space between cash registers.

“The markets here are nearly indistinguishable,” said Christian Hageseth, Green Man’s chief executive officer, referring to Colorado. “There are a few people who are either just selling into the recreational market or a few selling medically, but most of us are selling both.”

If adopted, the distinction between medical and recreational cannabis, which Spicer made last week, could become a headache for regulators and a killer for businesses. Criminalizing the recreational market, legal in eight states and Washington, D.C., would mean the loss of about $33 billion over the next five years without accounting for possible gains in medical use, according to Bloomberg calculations based on Arcview Market Research data.

In Colorado, with more than 25,000 people directly employed in the cannabis industry, making recreational pot illegal could cut jobs by as many as 18,000, Hageseth said.

The Bloomberg Intelligence Global Cannabis Index dropped 9.8 percent between Spicer’s Feb. 23 comments and the close of trading Thursday.

“Mr. Spicer’s comments really signaled a deep misunderstanding within the administration about how marijuana policy is regulated and implemented at the state level,” said John Hudak, a senior fellow at Brookings Institution. “There are dramatic regulatory differences from state to state. The comments from the podium were overly simplistic.”

President Donald Trump separated medical from recreational marijuana during his campaign. He said he was “100 percent” in favor of the former, while calling the latter a “bad” experiment. Regardless, he said, it should be decided by the states.

Cannabis is legal for both recreational and medical use in California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Colorado, Massachusetts, Maine, Alaska, and Washington, D.C., and approved in 20 additional states for medical purposes only, but marijuana is not legal for any purpose under federal law. And while Spicer’s comments -- and Trump’s campaign comments -- seem to show that the administration was open to medicinal marijuana, Attorney General Jeff Sessions may have different ideas.

Sessions, who has the power to crack down on the marijuana industry, indicated to a conference of attorneys general in Washington on Tuesday that he’d do away with the Obama administration’s hands-off strategy on state legislation.

Law-enforcement officers need to address growing illegal drug use, including heroin and marijuana, and the arguments that pot helps cure opiate abuse or has other medicinal properties are “desperate,” he said.

“Give me a break,” Sessions said. “I doubt that’s true. Maybe science will prove I’m wrong.”

Cannabis has therapeutic effects to treat chronic pain, muscle spasms related to multiple sclerosis, and nausea from chemotherapy, according by a Jan. 12 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine that reviewed 10,000 scientific abstracts since 1999. The study also found potential respiratory and mental health risks.

Cannabis is considered a Schedule 1 drug, meaning that the Drug Enforcement Administration sees no medicinal properties in the substance and classifies it as highly addictive. Pot industry participants and outside experts are questioning the logic behind a split that considers medical marijuana a states’ rights issue and recreational a matter for federal regulation.

“I believe the product has hundreds of medical applications, positive ones, but this delineation is an artificial one given how Schedule 1 works,” said Adrian Sedlin, founder and CEO of Canndescent, a cannabis producer in Southern California. “There’s no basis to allow medical, but not allow recreational, under current law.”

States where both types of weed are legal have parallel regulatory frameworks. Though there are separate licenses, many producers do both. So a crackdown on weed growers under Spicer’s framework could mean wiping out half a company’s inventory while leaving the other half untouched.

“It’s just bizarre to think that the DEA could come to a place like in Aurora and raid one half of a store but not the other,” said Allen St. Pierre, board member of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, referring to the Denver suburb. “So this delineation that they put out there just adds a greater level of confusion.”

Some producers found comfort in Spicer’s acceptance of medical marijuana. Nick Vita, CEO of Columbia Care, which is licensed to operate about 20 medical dispensaries in nine states, said that it’s a good change and that the differentiation is warranted.

“It’s very important because they are two very different missions and types of activities,” Vita said.

In Colorado, where both kinds of marijuana have been legal the longest, medical sales have fallen as recreational weed increased. At Hageseth’s two stores, for example, medical business declined about 60 percent from this time last year. Since the same products are available, consumers are skipping the hassle of getting a prescription and simply using the recreational pot to soothe themselves, he said. If the Trump administration follows through, the trend could reverse -- boosting the medicinal market higher than anticipated.

Hageseth said he’s building a marijuana growing facility and starting a franchise business. But Spicer’s offhand comments already caused anxiety among some of Green Man Cannabis’ investors.

“I’ve had two people say they’re not moving forward until this is resolved,” he said. “We’re all on a train together that’s picking up speed and all of a sudden it’s stopped and we’re waiting to see what happens.”
 

damm

Well-Known Member
Rand Paul
R-KY “Sessions told me he would have some respect for states' right on these things. And so I’ll be very unhappy if the federal government decides to go into Colorado and Washington and all of these places. And that’s not [what] my interpretation of my conversation with him was. That this wasn’t his intention... We’re concerned about some of the language that we’re hearing. And I think that conservatives who are for states' rights ought to believe in states' rights. I'm going to continue to advocate that the states should be left alone."

That's likely the best quote I got out of Marijuana Moment today as far as something worth sharing. Lots of states are gearing up to defend their tax dollars coming in so it doesn't look like Sessions is going to get his way easily.


The International Narcotics Control Board, a United Nations drug enforcement body, is warning the U.S., Canada and other countries that legalizing marijuana goes against their obligations under international treaties.

The body is, however, fine with simple decriminalization of cannabis and other drugs, it says in its new report.
 
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BabyFacedFinster

Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
I think everyone realizes that the millennials, and generations beyond, will normalize cannabis to where it will be considered socially acceptable. It is truly a matter of time. Even staunch prohibitionists probably realize they are in a losing battle over time.

Trump and Sessions will be on the wrong side of history on this one. And while they may believe that cannabis is a trivial issue or a nuisance now, those generations that will judge their legacies will not.

They will be seen as fools. And this will be taught in the history classes. :peace:
 

damm

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I think everyone realizes that the millennials, and generations beyond, will normalize cannabis to where it will be considered socially acceptable. It is truly a matter of time. Even staunch prohibitionists probably realize they are in a losing battle over time.

Trump and Sessions will be on the wrong side of history on this one. And while they may believe that cannabis is a trivial issue or a nuisance now, those generations that will judge their legacies will not.

They will be seen as fools. And this will be taught in the history classes. :peace:
Not if they can continue to create children who hate drugs. It's going to take a long time to un-do the damage here.
 
damm,

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I agree in the beginning the Obama administration to some degree perpetuated the war on drugs attitude. I also think he could have done more to declassify cannabis. What I liked was that he left the cannabis issue to the states eventually that voted to legalize medical or recreational. I think being the first black president he didn't want to appear to be soft on drugs IMO. I miss Obama personally.

How Obama quietly reshaped America's war on drugs - Vox
Vox › identities › 2016/12/19 › obama-...
Dec 19, 2016 - The Obama administration has made it a point to avoid the term “war on drugs” out of concern .... The Obama administration did not follow through on this epidemic with the typical “tough o


We don't want this thread all about the past. We are looking towards the future - it's about what is going on now. I live in WA state so we have a lot at stake here. The transition in the attitude towards cannabis in the world is amazing. This has only come about the last 10 to 15 years. Dramatically just the last 5 years with legal cannabis. I never thought I would live to see the day.
 
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grokit

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They will be seen as fools. And this will be taught in the history classes. :peace:
One would hope :\
Of course the flipside is they could hold on to power and write the history books for years to come.

Liquor stores are entirely recreational, and much more costly and harmful to society. If we're going to apply a regulatory metric to a substance, it should follow a logical, fairly-applied cost/harm-reduction formula.

:2c::myday:
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Here's one of the articles.
OR lawmakers aim to pre-empt any marijuana crackdown by feds - Marijuana Business Daily

MJ Business Daily › or-lawmakers-aim-to...
11 hours ago - Oregon state legislators are trying to head the federal government off at the pass. ... legislation that would require marijuana businesses to destroy customer information within 48 hours after receiving it.

Edit
Some stores in WA allow for debit cards purchases.
 
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little maggie

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I don't have a medical card but in Oregon both recreational and medical users are sold in the same dispensaries. Most are cash only but not all.
Where in Washington do you buy other than in dispensaries.
 

CalyxSmokr

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Good thing Sessions got smacked down and was forced to recuse. If that had not happened I think he was ready to move forward full speed ahead on crackdown. Doubtful it would be successful but they would be raking it in on private prisoners in the meantime
New Mexico is medical only and they scan your card when you buy. The state dept. of health maintains a database. If you have purchased over the limit within a given period of time ( 8oz/90days) they red light you.
jfc
Maybe there is still hope that Sessions might go down. We will wait and see. Looks like he lied during confirmation hearings..:popcorn: Legal cannabis would be in a better place if Sessions was out of the way.


Sessions spoke twice with Russian ambassador during Trump's presidential campaign, Justice officials say - The Washington Post
Washington Post › world › 2017/03/01
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I think he is history but it will take time. Trump has no other reaction but to dig in immediately so it will be a longer process. Russia-gate is gaining steam and not dying out.
 

seaofgreens

My Mind Is Free
He only recused himself from the investigation into Russian involvement with the campaign.

Insofar as I am aware, he has made no mention of backing down or stepping up measures to crackdown on the recreational market beyond the casual comments made before.

Would probably be awesome if he did decide to step it up though. It has definitely become a bipartisan issue that would not be popular on any side of the fence, so can be seen in no other light as a massive blunder waiting to happen.
 

howie105

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The "War On Drugs" failed way, way back in time before any of us were around. However like many functionally failed positions people can still ride it around as long as long as they can sell it. One of ways to kill such failed policy is a simple refusal on the part of the population to comply with the rules, at some point selling suppression is just too hard and too unrewarding to continue. In light of this even if they close the door on recreational pot at this point all we have to do is to continue to grow our user numbers and we, at some point win. Yes I know its a simplistic approach and not the only way to approach our problem but its one I think we can and are making happen on our own already.
 

CalyxSmokr

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He only recused himself from the investigation into Russian involvement with the campaign.

Insofar as I am aware, he has made no mention of backing down or stepping up measures to crackdown on the recreational market beyond the casual comments made before.

Would probably be awesome if he did decide to step it up though. It has definitely become a bipartisan issue that would not be popular on any side of the fence, so can be seen in no other light as a massive blunder waiting to happen.
there have been some reports since his recusal that they won't be going after rec right now. not that I really trust his word but I think his plate is kind of full without doing something so unpopular right now
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/jeff-sessions-marijuana-crackdown-senators-react-235616
 

Baron23

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The International Narcotics Control Board, a United Nations drug enforcement body, is warning the U.S., Canada and other countries that legalizing marijuana goes against their obligations under international treaties.

Well, here is Trump's chance to prove that he is the USA's President and not the world. He did just say that, right?

So the UN can kiss our collective asses as to MJ law in our country as far as I'm concerned.

Good thing Sessions got smacked down and was forced to recuse. If that had not happened I think he was ready to move forward full speed ahead on crackdown.

You lost me there. What's the relationship between Sessions recusing himself on anything to do with Russian interference in our elections and cannabis? I read the link and had seen this and similar articles, including the Senatorial letter to Sessions and Rand Paul's quotes. But I don't quite see the link to the recusal? By the by, I don't agree with a number of Rand Paul's positions, but I have to give it to him on consistency. He's a libertarian and state's righter at heart and he is consistent with it which is more than can be said for many of our poll-of-the-moment driven politicians.

If its because you think he is now too busy, please, mate....they are only 6 weeks in and if they really want to make such an ill advised move as to try to confront the states on their legal cannabis programs, they will indeed find the bandwidth.

Its such a losing proposition that I truly would be astounded if the Feds followed up on all of this loose talk.

We will see, but in the interim I think its important to remain vigilant and to express your views to your NOW to Fed representatives and via MJ lobbing organizations like NORML.

Cheers
 
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CalyxSmokr

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You lost me there. What's the relationship between Sessions recusing himself on anything to do with Russian interference in our elections and cannabis?
If Sessions was not embroiled in scandal I think the crackdown would be on. A lot of his political capital evaporated with these accusations and his subsequent perjury. Too busy, no. Just too much spotlight to push through his plans when his trial balloons turned out to be wildly unpopular.
No recusal and perjury and I think we are in a very different position.
Just IMO.
 
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CalyxSmokr,

damm

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If Sessions was not embroiled in scandal I think the crackdown would be on. A lot of his political capital evaporated with these accusations and his subsequent perjury. Too busy, no. Just too much spotlight to push through his plans when his trial balloons turned out to be wildly unpopular.
No recusal and perjury and I think we are in a very different position.
Just IMO.
That is the hope; likely not the reality. Give Sessions a few weeks and we'll see if Trump fires him.
 
damm,

damm

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It seems like with 28 states having legalized medical marijuana it seems like that would be pretty safe. Recreational use may be more at risk. Or are we set for another states rights battle?
I think we're up for another states rights battle. Federal has been over-stepping it's boundaries since at least the 90's.

Police are so underfunded now that they use grants from the federal government to fund themselves. How do they get these grants? Oh it's all about how many busts there are a year/quarter. The more the more money you get.

It's absolutely disgusting; police are our employee's. They should be well taken care. If they go without what they need; they are more likely to commit a crime on their own.
 
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