Considering a Flowerpot B2

[ldta]

Hi…my first post.

I’ve always been a bong-hit type smoker, but my wife is super sensitive to smells, especially cannabis. By using a combo of smoke buddy & a decent air purifier and by switching to dry herb vapes I’ve solved the issue.

I was rotating betw DynaVap, Nano desktop, and a Solo II, but I’ve sold them in favor of a TM2 (working great) and I would like to add a heavy hitter to give me the bong experience w/o the smoke.

I’m thinking of going with the CH Flowerpot B2 for a few reasons: Unlikely to break, good bong-like experience, fairly safe for a hot ball vape.

The Herborizer DigiTi is also interesting, but seems to be OOS and breakable, etc.

Does anyone have advice before I pull the trigger?

Thanks!

 

[Farid]

Do you have access to concentrates? I find that while they do still smell, it can be less offensive than flower.

 

[ldta]

Do you have access to concentrates? I find that while they do still smell, it can be less offensive than flower.

Yes, via med dispo. But prefer flower generally.

 

[Texus]

I love that the B2 permits double deckers, and think the B2 would be an excellent choice for that versatility. I also like the slightly more restricted airflow that it has compared to B1 and B0. But it still isn't overly constrained for my preferences (which is generally for a more open airflow).

Herborizer you can still get most consistently from here:

Vaporisateurs portables, de salon, et accessoires pour le CBD et autres plantes sèches - La Centrale Vapeur

Plus de 100 modèles de vaporisateurs et des centaines d'accessoires au meilleur rapport qualité/prix. Livraison gratuite dès 50€ en France et Europe. Conseil au 01.83.64.69.26

lacentralevapeur.com

And from my research, unless you are really looking for very rapid reheats, I think you might be better off saving the money and going with the Ti instead of the DigiTi. From most reports, a pretty negligible difference.

But Herbos aren't going to hit as hard as a ball vape. On the other hand, still haven't encountered anything with better flavor than an Herbo (CC Halo comes very close tho) and it is still very much a heavy hitter.

I should also mention that Colllyland is having an insane sale right now. Its airflow is glorious.

And now I've covered my "holy trinity of ball vapes".

 

[ldta]

I love that the B2 permits double deckers, and think the B2 would be an excellent choice for that versatility. I also like the slightly more restricted airflow that it has compared to B1 and B0. But it still isn't overly constrained for my preferences (which is generally for a more open airflow).

Herborizer you can still get most consistently from here:

Vaporisateurs portables, de salon, et accessoires pour le CBD et autres plantes sèches - La Centrale Vapeur

Plus de 100 modèles de vaporisateurs et des centaines d'accessoires au meilleur rapport qualité/prix. Livraison gratuite dès 50€ en France et Europe. Conseil au 01.83.64.69.26

lacentralevapeur.com

And from my research, unless you are really looking for very rapid reheats, I think you might be better off saving the money and going with the Ti instead of the DigiTi. From most reports, a pretty negligible difference.

But Herbos aren't going to hit as hard as a ball vape. On the other hand, still haven't encountered anything with better flavor than an Herbo (CC Halo comes very close tho) and it is still very much a heavy hitter.

I should also mention that Colllyland is having an insane sale right now. Its airflow is glorious.

And now I've covered my "holy trinity of ball vapes".

Awesome…thank you!

 

[Texus]

No bad choices among the options you brought up. But if you do buy the Herborizer, grab an extra glass injector sleeve or so. They are breakable, and you don't want to worry about them being out of stock, or faced with crazy high shipping for such a small inexpensive item.

 

[Vaporware]

If you have time to wait, the first batch of Phase3 Z8s are being produced right now and I think they’ll be worth the wait if you could get in on a second batch. I’m confident enough in it that I pre-ordered one of the first just based on knowing the creator here on FC and a lot of love from the few people who got to try the previous version.

If you want to check it out and maybe wait for one, take a look at the FC thread (especially the last few pages):

Phase3 Vaporizers

Figured I'd start this thread to facilitate discussion on a little something I've been working on. Many thanks to those who have already been following me along with this project, I really appreciate all the kind-hearted support, FC has always been an incredible place that many of us call home...

fuckcombustion.com

Here’s his website too:

Innate Innovations

www.gophase3.com

If the first batch goes well and there’s more interest I’m sure he’ll have more made.

If you’re in a hurry though, the B2 and Herborizer are still solid options, and the B2 works for dabbing too.

I’ve only been using my Toad since I got it a couple of months ago and I probably won’t bother with anything else until the Z8 comes in, but before that I’d been using the VRod (basically the B2 before they filled it with balls) almost every day and they’re solid products.

 

[felvapes]

I don't love the company but I love the vape - Taroma with a V1 exit hole
Hardest hitter I've tried and tastes good
Does double deckers too

Or there is this I've been looking at
It's the AliExpress shop that supplies qshop with stuff - has the pids, handles, coils, ruby packs etc and a Ti head at a much more affordable price
AU $92.44 21%OFF | Grade 2 Titanium Tiodw V3 Housing Fit 20mm Heating Coil for Tobacco and Dry Herb
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mL4bHHA

I think this would hit as hard as my taroma would

There's a number of these ball vapes out there now
And they are all hard hitters
The only reason I went with taroma (or I'd get the Ali one now) is because I've seen Troy combust in videos using the B2
With the Taroma or the Ali version you can't combust no matter the draw speed used

 

[DadaBoo]

The B2 is a phenomenal vape in my experience.

If you wanna one hit a bowl, it will do it with ease. If however you want to take your time, it will do that too, just turn down the power and off you go. Although it must be said, it's better at one/two hits than it is at slower extraction.

I use my Volcano Hybrid/Mighty during the week and bring the B2 beast out at the weekends to celebrate.

Everyone should have a flowerpot, they are the bollox.

 

[felvapes]

Pretty much every baller I have used is a 1-2 hitter
The enclosed heads tend to have a bit more couch lock and more well rounded high
The non enclosed heads still hit hard, just with a bit less couch lock and they wear off quicker so you need to re dose quicker
The Ali or Taroma has thicker titanium than the open coil ones and it seems to deliver the extra punch

From what I've seen (trying to sift between fanbois on everything) the B2 and Taroma (or Ali version should be similar) are the hardest hitters atm
It was the combustion possibility that swayed me and one way over the other

And now with the b2cvape option from Ali at 1/3 the price of others I would probably have looked there

Loving this new tech though and all the options
The powerful vapes that extract fully and quickly are brilliant

The ballers are the first vapes I've been able to convert every smoker with
No learning curve, they draw blow clouds get higher than smoking and it tastes good

Whatever you choose mate I am sure you will be more than happy having baller tech in your life

 

[DadaBoo]

Troy generally combusts on the B2 because he ramps the temp up to stupid o'clock and crams the shovel head with too much herb.

If you are sensible with both your temp and herb level, you should not combust.

I've combusted once with my B2 and it was because of the aforementioned.

 

[ldta]

Excellent suggestions, feeds, and information here by all. Thanks for being welcoming and helpful.

 

[felvapes]

Troy generally combusts on the B2 because he ramps the temp up to stupid o'clock and crams the shovel head with too much herb.

If you are sensible with both your temp and herb level, you should not combust.

I've combusted once with my B2 and it was because of the aforementioned.

I can pack herb in between a DV size load and a gram
No combustion
Turn it up to get chocolate brown avb and there is absolutely no chance of combustion no matter what draw you use with my taroma (or the Ali is same design)
You would have to turn it up too high that it combusts immediately to achieve that with this one

I wasn't saying that it was easy to combust with the b2 - but it is possible as you have confirmed yourself
I like being a stoner that can just have at it any draw speed and get vapour clouds without concern of combustion at all

 

[Texus]

The only reason I went with taroma (or I'd get the Ali one now) is because I've seen Troy combust in videos using the B2
With the Taroma or the Ali version you can't combust no matter the draw speed used

That just isn't correct. I've combusted on my Taroma v1. But for both it and the B2 it takes going well beyond reasonable limits to combust unless you have a poor bowl pairing.

Also big difference between double deckers with an actual dab dish (B2) instead of straight on the metal (Taroma).

 

[felvapes]

That just isn't correct. I've combusted on my Taroma v1. But for both it and the B2 it takes going well beyond reasonable limits to combust unless you have a poor bowl pairing.

Also big difference between double deckers with an actual dab dish (B2) instead of straight on the metal (Taroma).

I fail to see how you can combust in a Taroma (or AliExpress cost effective version) unless you turn the temps up too high to start with

You must have put some effort into that and take some pretty horrid tasting hits mate

Lol
Yup you're correct - the double deckers from a B2 are reportedly bad tasting as the dab dish has to be turned up higher to get to temps - then the dab gets burn d a second time through the balls and the weed is overcooked as a result of the higher temps to get the dish to the right temp

The taroma (or Ali) it stays at the right temp for weed and you just put the dab straight through the ruby balls
Tastes better and the weed wasn't burnt

Troys video where he shows his not black avb but does combust a few times is enough for me

Just sharing real life experience anyway
I hate the fanbois on either side of these

I dislike the overpricing and the abusive marketing

I'd get a $90 AliExpress version now for 1/3 the price of the competition
Support that little guy

 

[Planck]

I fail to see how you can combust in a Taroma (or AliExpress cost effective version) unless you turn the temps up too high to start with

I fail to see how you can combust with any ball vape unless you have the temp too high. There are no significant design differences that could account for this behaviour difference.

Some drop dabs on the weedeater and B1, I expect the performance is the same as the Taroma or AliExpress unit doing this.

 

[DadaBoo]

I can pack herb in between a DV size load and a gram
No combustion
Turn it up to get chocolate brown avb and there is absolutely no chance of combustion no matter what draw you use with my taroma (or the Ali is same design)
You would have to turn it up too high that it combusts immediately to achieve that with this one

I wasn't saying that it was easy to combust with the b2 - but it is possible as you have confirmed yourself
I like being a stoner that can just have at it any draw speed and get vapour clouds without concern of combustion at all

I mean a Taroma is an injection vape (I believe), so it's heat source is always a greater distance from the herb than a b2 with a packed shovel head. So it should be harder to combust in a Taroma, but not impossible, if the temp is high enough.

Also, as it is an injection vape, the hot air column is smaller in circumference than a b2 (which encapsulates the entire bowl).

 

[felvapes]

fail to see how you can combust with any ball vape unless you have the temp too high

With some vapes as I'm sure you know, the draw speed etc can affect the avb and possible combustion - the lsv was always a cloud maker - but I hated riding that line between combustion and vaping and it was very easy to accidentally get the wrong temp/draw speed combination and it would combust easily - get it right and it was great
Watching Troy combust multiple times and hearing others have also done so with the B2 reminds me too much of the lsv (and others that have the same issue)

The taroma (and Ali design) - or my own 500/600 ruby all quartz designed vape - absolutely does not have this issue and you set the temp and then draw however your lungs like - I pass it to anyone and no matter their lung capacity or draw speed they get results - no learning curve and no risk of combustion at all - draw hard af or slow as fuck and get clouds - it would have to be turned up too high in the first place that it will combust regardless

This is a noticeable difference and as a stoner I like a foolproof vape
My lsv hit hard and gave clouds well before ballers - it sat in a draw for ages because of this possible combustion issue

I've also seen and heard Troy and others say the B1 does not hit as hard for weed as the B2 - so for me it's B2 or taroma or Ali for hard hits
Also they have a screen on top - that would become a pita to clean I think as the screen got clogged if dabbing through it
I just do a 950 on the Auber to clean the rubys and all is good quickly without the screen issue

so it's heat source is always a greater distance from the herb than a b2 with a packed shovel head

I have changed this
I friction fit a screen as close to the heater exit as possible so I can bring the temps down and get better vapour quality
So my heater sits on top the weed and I get no issues with combustion
I also use the V1 head (or the Tlite or my own 500/600 ruby quartz vape design) over the top of tube stems too like an eds TNT glass stem for a WS or a 14mm male gog so again the heater is directly on top of the weed, like a mm or less - no combustion whatsoever with no thinking or being careful of draw speed like an lsv (or I have seen Troy do with the B2) i
Injector or over the top I've seen Troy combust the B2 as it does both, I haven't had the issue over the top or injector with these ones
I can get as dark avb as you want doing this too

I will repeat - I don't like the qshop company so I'm not fanboying in the slightest
I looked at CH for ages and from what I can tell the B2 and Taroma are the two front runners for hard hitters
I'm sharing both my practical experience and what I have seen or read and why I made the choice I did (with a company I don't like)
I would now buy the b2cvape Ali one personally as it has been designed mostly around the taroma and is one third the price of everyone else who up prices us

 

[Texus]

OK. Fine. I actually have both and have used both. Based on my actual experience I think you are misrepresenting the B2 which you haven't actually used.

Just because Troy does some stupid shit at stupid high temps just doesn't seem like the best basis to make a buying decision. That was the point I was trying to make about Qaroma also combusting.

 

[DadaBoo]

I friction fit a screen as close to the heater exit as possible so I can bring the temps down and get better vapour quality

Pretty cool stuff mate, I likes.

Still, at least as far as OP is concerned, out of the box, without any DIY, my previous comment holds true.

 

[felvapes]

OK. Fine. I actually have both and have used both. Based on my actual experience I think you are misrepresenting the B2 which you haven't actually used.

Just because Troy does some stupid shit at stupid high temps just doesn't seem like the best basis to make a buying decision. That was the point I was trying to make about Qaroma also combusting.

I don't understand your last sentence

How does what you say there have anything to do with the ones I use not combusting?
I don't believe you will combust at all with the heads I have here and my own design quartz unless you turn the temp up too high that it will taste bad and combust regardless of how you draw

I can get absolutely dark dark chocolate avb and have no fear of combustion ever - no matter how I draw
Impossible
And if I turned it up any higher it would start to turn black - which is not where I believe is optimal vaping - if vaping at all

So whether it was the correct way to make my purchase decision or not - it is the results I obtained and Troy isn't combusting by doing silly shit, it is a situation like the lsv where to get the full extraction you have to ride the line between draw and temp
This simply is not the case with the heads I have here

That's all I'm saying too

The head with the price a third or even a quarter of the others is the winner here imo
Unless someone comes up with some fanciful reason as to why the Ali chunk of titanium will be of less quality than the others of course

Pretty cool stuff mate, I likes.

Still, at least as far as OP is concerned, out of the box, without any DIY, my previous comment holds true.

Not at all
When I put it over a tube type bowl it is not diy, it's a different bowl
And where I choose to locate my screen is not really diy - DV has multiple levels for the screen too
And me putting it closer to the heater is where one would assume it would combust more likely it it were likely to, but it doesn't (I'm setting it like the CH according to your description - and the B2 has an injector exit too)

 

[DadaBoo]

Not at all
When I put it over a tube type bowl it is not diy, it's a different bowl
And where I choose to locate my screen is not really diy - DV has multiple levels for the screen too
And me putting it closer to the heater is where one would assume it would combust more likely it it were likely to, but it doesn't (I'm setting it like the CH according to your description - and the B2 has an injector exit too)

Well I suppose at the very least then, we can say that the b2 in more user friendly when trying to achieve the same results you get?

As I have not had to switched bowls or rearrange screens etc.

It matters not in the grand scheme of things. You love your vape, I love mine and OP will love his as well, whatever he decides to get.

 

[felvapes]

Well I suppose at the very least then, we can say that the b2 in more user friendly when trying to achieve the same results you get?

As I have not had to switched bowls or rearrange screens etc.

It matters not in the grand scheme of things. You love your vape, I love mine and OP will love his as well, whatever he decides to get.

Not at all again
The B2 is also sold as an injector and the Troy videos he uses both and combusts with both

I don't get the same results by moving my screen
I get better results - than either at factory settings

The B2 seems much less user friendly when it combusts at times

And I highly agree with your last sentence - my second post says that exact thing

Whatever you choose mate I am sure you will be more than happy having baller tech in your life

I'm not defending one over the other or trying to say one is user friendly
I'm saying one has on video and user reports of possible combustion and the ones I have don't ime - unless your are at the point of hybrid smoking/vaping already with your temps

My own design 500/600 ruby all quartz one also doesn't combust at all and is directly over the weed

Tlite has the big exit hole to go over anything or inject at a wider air hole

They are ballers and they are all brilliant
I'm just saying what I bought, what I've made, how they work, what I've seen and that I think both Taroma and CH are over priced by heaps and the b2cvape one is the place I would go for function and my wallet

Happy balling everyone
As I mentioned originally
I love this new era of simple tech that actually bloody works
Go the ball vapes of all kinds - there is more brands then mentioned here to look at also

 

[DadaBoo]

I don't get the same results by moving my screen
I get better results - than either at factory settings

You get better results on your Taroma than you do your B2? How so?

Troy, as far as I am aware, has never used a B2 injector, only a B0. If you have a link to a video of him using the B2 injector please give me the link as I was thinking of dropping 60 nuggets on the injector bottom. I love Troy's videos, he always cracks me up.

Thanks my man.

 

[felvapes]

You get better results on your Taroma than you do your B2? How so?

Troy, as far as I am aware, has never used a B2 injector, only a B0. If you have a link to a video of him using the B2 injector please give me the link as I was thinking of dropping 60 nuggets on the injector bottom. I love Troy's videos, he always cracks me up.

Thanks my man.

Here you go
Notice the exact same factory bowl screen setting - it would probably work better set up like I describe - or maybe it will have more chance to combust, who knows without trying
Definitely less simple to decide how to buy when you on ch site and looking at all the parts if you didn't know

Here's the video anyway mate
Happy balling