Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A
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Volute of Vapor
Hi guys, I have a lot of different strains to extract, this winter will be a concentrated winter!
I already make a nice run from Cheese skunk fast version (outdoor, 10g bud+15g trim in = 3.5g out, first blast!) which is a indica dominant I think, now I have some White Magic (100% sativa) but it looks like a really poor strain (not a lot of resin but it smell good), somebody have experiences about sativa extractions? how are the effects?
I think it's a good strain to try an ethanol extraction cause it's not dense at all so you can shorter the soaking time....but, to be honnest I never got tasty results with ethanol even with really short soaking time.....but I get enough to test again, maybe I'll try the kleen extract cause my ethanol is only 90%....
I really would like to see sativa shatter pictures guys!
Edit: I got an issue with my last batch, I purge with hot water and a bit of alcohol, here is my issue cause I put it in my warm dish before to start extraction so when tane comes in the dish lot of alcohol is already evaporated and I obtain a too much runny oil (I think cause there is more water in it....?) sorry I don't get enough time to try to be clever in my explanations...
I already make a nice run from Cheese skunk fast version (outdoor, 10g bud+15g trim in = 3.5g out, first blast!) which is a indica dominant I think, now I have some White Magic (100% sativa) but it looks like a really poor strain (not a lot of resin but it smell good), somebody have experiences about sativa extractions? how are the effects?
I think it's a good strain to try an ethanol extraction cause it's not dense at all so you can shorter the soaking time....but, to be honnest I never got tasty results with ethanol even with really short soaking time.....but I get enough to test again, maybe I'll try the kleen extract cause my ethanol is only 90%....
I really would like to see sativa shatter pictures guys!
Edit: I got an issue with my last batch, I purge with hot water and a bit of alcohol, here is my issue cause I put it in my warm dish before to start extraction so when tane comes in the dish lot of alcohol is already evaporated and I obtain a too much runny oil (I think cause there is more water in it....?) sorry I don't get enough time to try to be clever in my explanations...
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NickDlow
Log Hog
I personally don't like any water near my concentrates!!! If ur evaping ur solution in hot water, the water is also evaporating even making ur dish "sweat" n get water in ur extract IMO. What do u have to work with for ur purging method? If u want "short" wash I'd go with the QWISO tek. 15 sec wash opposed to the 3 min QWET/QWKX (I use QWET tek for my KX). Also what is ur ultimate goal with ur extracts?
Caligula
Maximus
Seems legit. Let us know!
you get a wider longer run with that too cause its 24"x 10' instead of 16"x4' quite a biy more actually! id like to know cause id order that too!
im looking into this but they also sell multiple thicknesses... like .1" (2.5mm) and all the way up to a half inch thick slad of ptfe film!
a typical oil slick PAD is around 1mm thick.
you see where im going.
2clicker
Observer
good call. i have been experiencing some tearing with my slick sheet from the "fold n peel" method of managing the oil. maybe a thicker film would be more durable...?
thats what im thinking...
plus the added thickness may aid in purge the way a slickpad does... but with the benefit of being ptfe over silicone so direct solvent contact would be a non issue.
the added thermal mass would be VERY beneficial in temp controlled vacuum purges.
the slightly more "rigid" structure could also aid in dish collection. the ptfe thin film rolls tend to need something to help hold them up... ive tried origami folds, flattening in the bottom of flat bottom dishes and concave dishes. all of these tend to create little creases that then later become stick points or eventually perforations. with a say 1 or 2 mm slab you may be able to just slump it in a dish. its own thickness would counteract gravity just enough to create only a dip in the slab which would pool with enriched solvent.
2clicker
Observer
i use the lid (w/ a hole cut out of it) of my pyrex dish to hold the sheet in there. basically i cut everything out except the sealing "lip" portion of the lid. it keeps the sheet in place very well. i will post a pic of this later.
im gonna try this stuff from grainger no doubt. i reached out to the manufacturer about whether or not this stuff is pure PTFE or not. stay tuned.
Anyway I'll prob grab a sq. ft. Of a couple different thicknesses n see which I perfer if any.I remember you mentioning that, it was on my list to try that out, but I wanted to try on a smaller dish that I currently have... ive been using small 5.5" squares to minimize sheets and I just use a plain old squareish cereal bowl to hold it up.
@NickDlow I wonder if its a piece and case price...
STAYING TUNED! wheres the popcorn?
2clicker
Observer
im sorry its been a ruff day. lol
spoutti
Well-Known Member
1st, I think you started something really nice @NickDlow. You may have found a way cheaper ptfe sheet that the oil slick one.
Kudos
Than the sligthly bigger than pyrex slab idea. Excellent @farscaper
. Maybe you added a long term solution like the slick pads but for ptfe material.
And @2clicker on top of the corporate communication checking for our safety.
I already see my CSHyde ptfe pad in action in my head. I dont know if the fold and peel will damage the CShyde ptfe pad, but its worth a try imho.
Kudos
Than the sligthly bigger than pyrex slab idea. Excellent @farscaper
. Maybe you added a long term solution like the slick pads but for ptfe material.And @2clicker on top of the corporate communication checking for our safety.
I already see my CSHyde ptfe pad in action in my head. I dont know if the fold and peel will damage the CShyde ptfe pad, but its worth a try imho.
CrazyDiamond
HAL is a StarChild
I like where you guys are going with this...I know I like the slick pad (as you've seen in my errrl pics) to evap/purge on; since its thick, I can mold it to the pyrex dish for better surface area then later as the liquid is leaving, I can manipulate the slick pad to form more of a bowl to concentrate the essentials into a smaller surface area for better handling. It sounds like the Grainger PTFE sheet stuff would do the same thing as the slick bad but you could use it with tane (oil slick came on my instagram and confirmed to me that you can use the pads with alcohol as @2clicker said as well)...but tane needs the PTFE.
For myself, I'm not sure I'd see any difference in the pad or the ptfe since all I use is iso and soon KX
For myself, I'm not sure I'd see any difference in the pad or the ptfe since all I use is iso and soon KX
NickDlow
Log Hog
Always looking to help out the FC community and I appereciate everyone's input I'm glad I could spark some interests n new ideas. I'm putting an order in today lets see how it goes
Edit: how thick would u go for the pad? 0.2",0.3",0.5" these thicknesses are inchs not metric fyi
Edit: how thick would u go for the pad? 0.2",0.3",0.5" these thicknesses are inchs not metric fyi
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spoutti
Well-Known Member
Sorry to steal your communication job @2clicker, I just emailed the manufacturer with a few questions.
Like this
Hi,
I would like to have a custom PTFE film. It would be use to line a pyrex plate to evaporated ethanol extraction. Then, I would fold and peel the film on itself in order to collect the extraction. I know I can use already existing silicon (http://oilslick.bigcartel.com/product/slicktm-pad) pads for isopropyl, but I dont feel 100% safe to use them with ethanol.
Do you think the custom made ptfe film would be durable in the process? The point is reusing many times a thick ptfe film instead of single use ptfe thin sheets.
Would it be safe to wrinkle the ptfe film and vaporize the extraction?
I need it thick enough to be durable, but thin enough to line the pyrex plate. Big enough to line an 8" pyrex plate.
Would you happen to know http://oilslick.bigcartel.com/product/slicktm-sheet thickness in the case I resort to single use thin ptfe film ordered from you?
How much would be delivery costs to canada for, say, one or two 10-12" wide 10' long roll? Or 2 custom thick ptfe film cited above?
I will share those infos on fuckcombustion.com forums. I think you can get a nice exposure and the community will appreciate to cut off the middle man (oilslick) and save money.
Hoping to be a futur customer,
spoutti
Like this
Hi,
I would like to have a custom PTFE film. It would be use to line a pyrex plate to evaporated ethanol extraction. Then, I would fold and peel the film on itself in order to collect the extraction. I know I can use already existing silicon (http://oilslick.bigcartel.com/product/slicktm-pad) pads for isopropyl, but I dont feel 100% safe to use them with ethanol.
Do you think the custom made ptfe film would be durable in the process? The point is reusing many times a thick ptfe film instead of single use ptfe thin sheets.
Would it be safe to wrinkle the ptfe film and vaporize the extraction?
I need it thick enough to be durable, but thin enough to line the pyrex plate. Big enough to line an 8" pyrex plate.
Would you happen to know http://oilslick.bigcartel.com/product/slicktm-sheet thickness in the case I resort to single use thin ptfe film ordered from you?
How much would be delivery costs to canada for, say, one or two 10-12" wide 10' long roll? Or 2 custom thick ptfe film cited above?
I will share those infos on fuckcombustion.com forums. I think you can get a nice exposure and the community will appreciate to cut off the middle man (oilslick) and save money.
Hoping to be a futur customer,
spoutti
they are in inch but I converted them to metric.
.1" is equal to 2.5mm so a .2 is 5mm thick! thats half a centimeter or 1/5 inch thick.
so a .0393" would be approximately 1mm if you wanna match the exact thickness of a silicone slick pad.
I hate math. dummies like me use calculators and google lol.
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ok... so the ptfe film that we use now is going to measure in the .000 where as the slickpad thickness would be .00
what im gonna refer to as a ptfe slab would be .0 which can me measured in millimeters! so in all truth and fairness I have an ecig build to fund some and I want to test these pads and slabs of ptfe. so I will be ordering some I think because I wanna feel em. I wanna bend em and I wanna tell you guys they are awesome. but if someone is better funded than I I am happy to help answer some questions about the sizing. so what are your needs? the film would be great for packaging. the pad I think has application in purging... but handling might be tricky past the 1mm mark. the ptfe slab might have application as a themal mass buffer for vacuum purges required low heat.
so where shale we begin this journey of discovery?