Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

[farscaper]

It's only for storage. And I've only had issues with very small amounts spreading out thinly and sticking to the sheet. The vast majority of it comes off fine.

ive noticed the same.... if you slide the sheet over an edge... like the edge of a table or something it will often simply come loose... baring wax... wax seems to stick even more! basically leaving the only other option of scraping it with a ball end tool...

oil gets caught in the creases when they are very defined creases... I also notice that the new slick sheets stretch... not tear. so its possible that micro fissures may form and cause a velcro effect... but I have not seen this to be an issue.

im really happy with ptfe sheets so far!
making concentrated life a little less messy!

 

[Caligula]

Yea we would always roll the wax paper over the edge of the counter to unstick it when I made hard candy with my mom as a kid. Found that technique worked on eerl a while ago

 

[farscaper]

like taking candy from a baby!

 

[spoutti]

Hey guys, I just did my first qwet, tx everyone for all the sharing I would never have done it without this thread and every newb and experts info sharing. It took over 24h to purge, parchement paper was surprisingly strong for the scraping part. The only change I really need to make is to add a heat source to accelerate the evaporation/purge time. I got a supper hard barely moldable (room temp) texture concentrate.

Consumption now.. How am I supposed to handle this? I have a solo a now (I plan to get an oil dedicated vape along the way) and put it in cotton. I think spreading it (by hand heating now) through the cotton will help with vaping performance compared to a ball wrapped in cotton. But its messy that way.

So, any tips on how to cleanly spread the concentrate on the cotton without touching it?

How about tools. I cant remember where is the link to some nice dabing (dentist i belive?) ones.

 

[NickDlow]

The vaporizer I use for my concentrates and dry herb is my Haze vaporizer. If it's not a liquid u don't need a wick. They have all purpose cans to load herb or concentrate in. A .1-.2 would last over 30 min of great tasting and dense vapor. It truly is an amazing vaporizer, it gets hot enough to vaporize concentrates but never hot enough to cause combustion in dry herb. It also has 2 seperate bowls so u could double up on concentrates or herb, or one of each. This is a portable vape btw I suggest u give it a look if u haven't already. I am beyond satisfied with mine and their customer service can't be beat.

 

[NickDlow]

https://www.spectrumchemical.com/MSDS/E1424ANSI-E1424AGHS.pdf
^^ could you use this in a qwet?^^

 

[DieHard]

https://www.spectrumchemical.com/MSDS/E1424ANSI-E1424AGHS.pdf
^^ could you use this in a qwet?^^

Looks like 200 proof ethanol by reading that MSDS sheet. Similar to Kleen Xtract I would think.
What's the price? Where from?

 

[NickDlow]

It's from grainger the company is "spectrum" I just came across it and it's def not cost effective lol $70 for 500ml the KX is $80 for a gallon lol

I was more curious than anything

 

[spoutti]

I have one and it's quite useless for this purpose. The flat surface makes poor contact with your most likely concave bottom chamber. If you want something that actually works and works well, nothing beats a flexible heating mat on top of a towel so that it can make full contact with your chamber. Plugging your heating mat into a temperature controller (the temp probe would go between the towel and the heating mat) like a dorkfood dsv (or a diy pid) will give you very consistent results. I use SRFR-12/2 from http://www.omega.com/pptst/SRFR_SRFG.html . Also a guy on ebay is doing these for a better price you can just message him your requirements for a heater (you can just use the descriptions from the omega mats) and he will post up a link for you like so http://www.ebay.com/itm/271539717585. These temperature strips inside your chamber will be a great visual aid to know the exact internal temps RLC-60-90/120-10 @ http://www.omega.com/pptst/RLC-60.html.

Just for fun I took my PID out of the setup, and replaced it with a light dimmer extension cord plugged into an energy meter (volts/watts/amps) The heating mat is now controlled with the dimmer and the energy meter tells me the exact power draw in watts. ~40watts gives me ~115f
The whole setup is $65 ($40 ebay heating mat, $15 energy meter, $10 dimming extension plug)

I want to buy a silicone heating pad for my next run to shorten purge time.

Do I need variable temperature? If 115f is on the spot, I might as well buy a 40watts pad only. No dimmer or energy meter. Without interaction from your part, I would get this size at 40watts 110volt.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Keenovo-Silicone-Heater-Pad-120X120mm-90W-12V-w-Thermostat-150-Deg-C-3M-PSA/271422618080?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=1&asc=24353&meid=b1bc2e1eee9244039eb51b6e745b6dd7&pid=100011&prg=10335&rk=7&rkt=10&sd=271539717585

What do you think guys?

 

[TeeJay1952]

A couple of questions about
Gotta get some KleenXtract.com and a 6x6" 10 micron screen from 316twholesale.com and a Pyrex dish. That's all you need. You will be amazed how easy it is to have your own shatter

Ok, very simple.

1. Place KX in freezer.

2. Break down dry flowers into small pieces. Grinding may lead to green extract.

3. Place flowers in freezer. (Best results if they are frozen at least overnight)

4. Fold the 6x6" screen into a bowl.

5. Put flowers and KX in a jar. Just enough to cover flowers.

6. Put back in freezer for 3 minutes, removing to shake gently once per minute.

7. When time is up, slowly pour into the screen bowl over the Pyrex dish. Pour slowly so as not to overflow and get contaminants in the finished extract.

8. Place dish with extract in a well ventilated area with a fan if possible to evaporate. No heat is needed if you are patient.

If it is really hard shatter, maybe a little heat to help with the scraping.

9. Lather, rinse, repeat. Do a second wash. (Some do 3 washes, my second was done with butane)

10. Sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor!

I know this sounds stupid but:
OK The shatter forms in pan below screen (correct?) Just making sure , would hate to attempt and then someone say "You thew it away"
Is there a way to get "excess" Kleen" for another wash or does "Kleen" evaporate each time?
Do I clean or pitch screens after use?
When you talk about 2nd wash that is exposing "spinach" or already blasted materials to a second dose of Kleen?
Do you mix the various washes together or keep separate?
How much do you make at a time? Does this stuff require special handling to last?
I bought gallon of Kleen. How much flowers should that handle?
I intend for personal use. I have NO intentions of selling.
ABV for butter, Leaves for shatter or extra buds?

My first time. I am excited as all get out!
48 year smoker
9 months vaper
1 month wax

 

[2clicker]

the screens are reusable but wont last forever. use iso and boil them to clean.

yes the wash will settle and evaporate in the dish leaving the oil behind stuck to the dish. this will have to be scraped out with a razor. or you can evap in a silicone or ptfe sheet and eliminate the scraping.

the klean will evap away each time. there are extract machines available to recondense the solvent but they are expensive set ups. usually thousands.

you can mix if you like but most keep them separate.

oh and try not to pour to slowly after your wash. doing so increases the wash time. which in turn increases your chance of unwanted stuff being extracted. separate the wash as quickly as possible with a large pore screen. THEN pour that through the small micron screens to filter the real small shit out.

 

[krusht]

A couple of questions about
Gotta get some KleenXtract.com and a 6x6" 10 micron screen from 316twholesale.com and a Pyrex dish. That's all you need. You will be amazed how easy it is to have your own shatter

Ok, very simple.

1. Place KX in freezer.

2. Break down dry flowers into small pieces. Grinding may lead to green extract.

3. Place flowers in freezer. (Best results if they are frozen at least overnight)

4. Fold the 6x6" screen into a bowl.

5. Put flowers and KX in a jar. Just enough to cover flowers.

6. Put back in freezer for 3 minutes, removing to shake gently once per minute.

7. When time is up, slowly pour into the screen bowl over the Pyrex dish. Pour slowly so as not to overflow and get contaminants in the finished extract.

8. Place dish with extract in a well ventilated area with a fan if possible to evaporate. No heat is needed if you are patient.

If it is really hard shatter, maybe a little heat to help with the scraping.

9. Lather, rinse, repeat. Do a second wash. (Some do 3 washes, my second was done with butane)

10. Sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor!

I know this sounds stupid but:
OK The shatter forms in pan below screen (correct?) Just making sure , would hate to attempt and then someone say "You thew it away"
Is there a way to get "excess" Kleen" for another wash or does "Kleen" evaporate each time?
Do I clean or pitch screens after use?
When you talk about 2nd wash that is exposing "spinach" or already blasted materials to a second dose of Kleen?
Do you mix the various washes together or keep separate?
How much do you make at a time? Does this stuff require special handling to last?
I bought gallon of Kleen. How much flowers should that handle?
I intend for personal use. I have NO intentions of selling.
ABV for butter, Leaves for shatter or extra buds?

My first time. I am excited as all get out!
48 year smoker
9 months vaper
1 month wax[/


As long as you get things clear, procedurally, you're doing well to follow these instructs - I've been using frozen ISO to make nice clean 'rose oil' and if you want to be sure not to waste anything, rather than try extra rinses, why not just use together with your ABV - I've been vaping for COPD as well as ingesting RSO since 2011 and producing edibles for1.5 yrs - it's all very simple if you accumulate enuff info to feel confident! - you do need to be sure of yourself, so go small for familiarity & assurance!

 

[Macarrao]

Please look at my first ever qwiso batch and tell me if I fucked up. It has a sticky, gooey consistency, it gets me more fucked up than I've ever been in my life, but it also leaves me short of breathe the next several days. Smoking it over long periods has fucked up my lungs, it feels like cigarettes. Did I not get out all the ISO? I spent 90 min using a double boiler method and it seemed to work, lots of bubbles released and the color went from very dark brown to lighter dark brown. I can't vape this anymore because it's ruining my lungs.

http://imgur.com/a/5o2mr

 

[krusht]

Please look at my first ever qwiso batch and tell me if I fucked up. It has a sticky, gooey consistency, it gets me more fucked up than I've ever been in my life, but it also leaves me short of breathe the next several days. Smoking it over long periods has fucked up my lungs, it feels like cigarettes. Did I not get out all the ISO? I spent 90 min using a double boiler method and it seemed to work, lots of bubbles released and the color went from very dark brown to lighter dark brown. I can't vape this anymore because it's ruining my lungs.
http://imgur.com/a/5o2mr
http://imgur.com/a/5o2mr

Well brother, you've found yourself in a quandary and I'm able to sympathize - I had the same thing happen and it scared the bejesus outa me; but first of all, QWISO is the same thing as RSO, just w/out the chlorophyll, due to freezing your bud & equip, and chilling your alcohol - I was vaping that on a G-pen and blew my lungs out too; this is due to a number of vectors, but the good news is - your lungs WILL recover but you need discipline & patience. First, I will bore you w/things I was told and some of my thots too!

A lady I spoke w/at my 'Compassion Centre" had the same prob - said that the hi-temp vape keeps expanding in your lungs - (wha' ? * ?) - that the hot air is also a prob - (most vaping of oil/shatter/crumble/butter is done thru cold water in a bong) and of course oil is the very most concentrated form of cannabis, so it is little wonder that " ...it gets me more fucked up than ...", more so even than top-drawer hashish! In hindsight, it is little wonder that we blew our lungs! I should have known better - I am a Sr. Citizen, after all!

RSO & QWISO are medical concentrates meant for ingestion - mind you, sir - I have serious COPD - but I do kno that tokers with healthy lungs can EASILY over-amp when vaping oil, and most vaping is w/dry flower tops, not concentrates! We should ALL be ingesting - vaping is recreational, a wonderful way to get a strong buzz, but it IS NOT medical in the same way as ingesting is!

To regain use of your lungs for vaping, simply chill on the oil for a while - take it orally - you'll get equally phuqued up, but for about 8 hours - when you vape, keep it on 3/4 heat & do 'sippy' tokes, like the way a goldfish eats his food! No more gargantuan clouds, bro - no more 'greedygutswantsdinotokes,aarggh!
Just don't overdo it, and you'll gradually get back to normal > also remember > your 'normal' doesn't necessarily mean you can toke what someone else can - gettin high shouldn't be an ego contest, even if you're the only contestant!

PEACE & have a quick recovery!

 

[Macarrao]

@krusht
thanks for the reassurance, what you said feels correct. I was cooling down the vapor with ice only but that does not cut it when the temp is around 300 deg! Those big hits I was taking would get me too high anyway. Couldn't operate for a few min. Literal loss of motor skill and ability to finish my thoughts.

RSO & QWISO are medical concentrates meant for ingestion - mind you, sir - I have serious COPD - but I do kno that tokers with healthy lungs can EASILY over-amp when vaping oil, and most vaping is w/dry flower tops, not concentrates! We should ALL be ingesting - vaping is recreational, a wonderful way to get a strong buzz, but it IS NOT medical in the same way as ingesting is!

I was wondering how I can get my product into an orally ingest-able form. I heard of using veg glycol but I don't know the method.
Also, what is your COPD like? I think I might have that too... even before this.

 

[krusht]

@krusht
thanks for the reassurance, what you said feels correct. I was cooling down the vapor with ice only but that does not cut it when the temp is around 300 deg! Those big hits I was taking would get me too high anyway. Couldn't operate for a few min. Literal loss of motor skill and ability to finish my thoughts.




I was wondering how I can get my product into an orally ingest-able form. I heard of using veg glycol but I don't know the method.
Also, what is your COPD like? I think I might have that too... even before this.

brother Mac -I will suggest that you can, if you wish, simply put it in brownies (or cookies, granola bars, anything you enjoy), but I put my RSO in gel caps - some people simply buy those in health food stores, but those are a rather large size - in Toronto I simply go to my local pharmacy & ask for #2 gel caps ($5 or so/100) -they also sell plastic syringes for oral-medicine dosing (like for kids) - this permits accurate dosage measuring and I use the syringe to draw up the oil & put about 0.2 grams or so in each one. By the way, you can begin by using just an ounce of bud - use more if you can afford the $$$ - but top-drawer bud, bone-dry, should yield 4 grams/ounce (prolly more) of clear, amber-colored, pure bliss!

If you want to look at dosage recommendations, that's on YouTube also, but for a full frontal assault on a major problem, like Crohn's Disease or any cancer, etc., I would advise 0.66 gram daily intake - this regimen would win the battle in 90 days, and will have re-set one's immune system at the same time. Since I feel so well and have active, chronic arthritis, I continue on a maintenance regimen of about 0.3 grams daily, and my feeling is that EVERY person who wishes to, should add this as a dietary supplement for daily use - life CAN be COMFORTABLE!

Five years ago I was worrying about needing a cane, next a walker and then I was expecting to be in a wheel chair by now! -- -- > instead, I bought a 3-speed bicycle last month! I still must wait 30 years to reach 100, but it looks like I'll make it OK!

I've been making RSO & QWISO for more than 2 1/2 yrs, first following Rick Simpson's instructs; here is a print version: http://phoenixtears.ca/make-the-medicine/ and you can watch this on YouTube as well

... and here is a great piece: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cQrT0sDxyc

You ask about my COPD - I can ramble on forever - but I was so bad, I had to spend the summers of 2010 & 11 in my basement playing on-line poker, 'cause I could not breath in the high humidity and I was unable to take a shower! My lung capacity was measured at 30% of normal capacity for a 65 yr old overweight man and I was taking 2 different inhalers daily, Spiriva & Advair - I began ingesting & vaping in October - 6 weeks later I took a HOT shower and I quit my inhalers July 1st, 2012.

So - ask more about my COPD, my fatty liver, 60 lb weight loss, liver spots, skin growths, herpes and my seed bank!

PLEASE, PLEASE stay in touch - this is my mission: to spread the Truth, not some of the truth, but the whole Truth about cannabinoid therapy - so far, in 50+ years of waiting, the cannabis community has not heard of one human health problem that ingesting cannabis won't help! ... still waiting!

... and I promise to help you in any way I'm able!

 

[DieHard]

I'm running BHO today and I read back a few pages about the color of the bubbles and deciphering which bubbles are what. It was all so cryptic that I didn't think about it until now. @farscaper am I missing something?

 

[farscaper]

I'm running BHO today and I read back a few pages about the color of the bubbles and deciphering which bubbles are what. It was all so cryptic that I didn't think about it until now. @farscaper am I missing something?

if I was cryptic I apologies. you know my opinion on that!

let me get technical.

I use a good led flashlight and place it flat on top my vacuum lid. I have observed that the bubbles that actually contain butane will have a rainbow effect to their surface. much like oil on a wet parkinglot.

it some times requires you to slide the light around on the lid to get different light perspectives (they are convex after all) but I have seen a marked improvement in end product since using this tool to see when its done.

notes: I often inflate the patty some by inrcreasing vacuum to expand the bubbles this can be helpful too.

its a little trial and error with every batch from every strain.

recently extracted some veno and this stuff just wont shatter up.

but reeks of a-pinene (alpha pinene)
in flower form it doednt really stand out... just kinda has a greenish flavor the buds are fluffy like kitty fur... which seems odd but its veeeeery sativa!
but extracted its like a pine tree air freshener!

wait.... what the fuck was I talking about?!

oh.... yea ...rainbow bubbles...

edit: let me know if you observe anything yourself @DieHard

 

[krusht]

I'm running BHO today and I read back a few pages about the color of the bubbles and deciphering which bubbles are what. It was all so cryptic that I didn't think about it until now. @farscaper am I missing something?

I would NOT worry about color of bubbles - all will be amber - simply let it evaporate - when you no longer smell butane, you have your BHO - happy happiness to you!

 

[NickDlow]

Started with 40 grams of different strains. Ended with 6.8g of some fantastic concentrates. 17% return pretty decent for me.

 

[Caligula]

I would NOT worry about color of bubbles - all will be amber - simply let it evaporate - when you no longer smell butane, you have your BHO - happy happiness to you!

But butane is colorless and odorless isn't it?

 

[farscaper]

all i was trying to point out is that you can see the rainbow effect of the butane refract when stong direct light is shined on the oil under vacuum.

maybe im just full of shit have not a clue?
maybe im making it all up just to be cool?

maybe...

pm me henceforth.

 

[DieHard]

I did see this effect today. You are not full of shit @farscaper! Today's batch came out rather waxy. Not quite shatter, not quite crumble. It was a mix of 3 strains that I had leftovers of. Kind of old and dry and crispy.

 

[farscaper]

I did see this effect today. You are not full of shit @farscaper! Today's batch came out rather waxy. Not quite shatter, not quite crumble. It was a mix of 3 strains that I had leftovers of. Kind of old and dry and crispy.

sorry didnt mean to sound so bent over it. lol
anyway
I had some lemon kush do that a while back. I just went with it and let it be cloudy. I was fucking with a Pyrex chamber instead of the ss/ti had my temps wonky.

so whats with the cold purging? I see cats pulling these hard waxxes and crumble that looks like candy. they all say they cold purge... I did it on accident one night when I forgot to set the timer on the heat source. woke up to a nifty honeycomb... but further heat and vac purged after
@DieHard you ever done a cold purge?

 

[NickDlow]

Do you NEED heat while u vac purge? I have an aluminum chamber and it's heat resistant so it's a bit tough.