Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A
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herbivore21
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hahaha man I only do ISO. I use ethanol purely for winterizing 
As such, no idea on how many washes you can do with butane I'm sure others here can help though
As such, no idea on how many washes you can do with butane I'm sure others here can help though
NickDlow
Log Hog
So I just did my first bho run. I started with 20g's of top shelf nug and have 3g's of bho I believe that's a 15% return. Good for first time? Now I have a vac chamber being delivered soon so I just did a quick heat purge. It def still has tane left in there. Can I just let that sit till I get my chamber? Or do I need to store it somewhere special? Should be here in 2 or 3 days. Thanks for the help.
herbivore21
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That sounds consistent with a top shelf run of 20g, depending on strain/how it was treated. Sounds like a good first attempt to me for sure!
I would leave it in a cool, dry place, covered with a cheesecloth/some kind of food covering to keep dust out. It should be fine so long as the delivery is not too far away
Depending on your flowers that may be low. You might try a second wash. Are you packing the tube tight enough? I pack tight then place a few glass marbles on top of the flowers before putting on the cap and running. I ran 11g on the Fourth and got 2.8 back from awesome flowers. While waiting for my vac I kept a run in the freezer. Results were not quite as good as subsequent runs.
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
hahaha man I only do ISO. I use ethanol purely for winterizing
As such, no idea on how many washes you can do with butane I'm sure others here can help though
Sorry if this is a stupid question ... why not just go single solvent and winterize your qwiso while it is still suspended in the iso? So do you evaporate the iso then dissolve your oil back into ethanol then winterize or do you pour ethanol into your qwiso run and winterize like that? That works well for purging butane off a BHO run because iso and butane are polar opposites but that's not the case with iso and ethanol so I don't think it'd work the same way. Just trying to wrap my head around your tek as I'll probably be trying some alcohol only runs sometime soon here.
NickDlow
Log Hog
That sounds consistent with a top shelf run of 20g, depending on strain/how it was treated. Sounds like a good first attempt to me for sure!
I would leave it in a cool, dry place, covered with a cheesecloth/some kind of food covering to keep dust out. It should be fine so long as the delivery is not too far away
It was sour d and I have it in my silicone container with a lid I will prob put it in the freezer. My vac will hopefully be here Monday or Tuesday.
It's top shelf (in my area) and I still have the bud so I prob will do another run. My extraction tube was kinda crappy (eBay) lol but I just picked up a glass extraction expert tube so hopefully that helps and I could pack it tighter I wasn't sure if it possible to pack it too tight. But I will prob run another batch tomorrow and have more ready to purge. Is combining two different runs into one a bad thing or is it ok? Thanks again for the help guys. I can't wait for this to be done it smells sooooo good!!
herbivore21
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Oh man, this reminds me of the excitement when I realised I had just made my first shatter. Hope it tastes as good as it smells man
NickDlow
Log Hog
Oh man, this reminds me of the excitement when I realised I had just made my first shatter. Hope it tastes as good as it smells man
Excited is an understatement haha I'm fuckin pumped!!! When packing how much should I break the buds down?
herbivore21
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try to leave them as hole as possible. The more whole, the lighter and tastier the extract. Bizarre, but true ime! Make sure to post pics when you are done, sounds delicious!
Some don't break it down at all. I break it up much as you would to roll a joint. If I am running the material a second time I will grind it in a coffee grinder.
Edit: @herbivore21 is right about color. My second run is usually darker and slightly less tasty than the first. But first run with my method...
herbivore21
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Diehard is right to point out that the first run is more forgiving, especially with butane! However, if you wanna get the best out of your buds on each run (I have fourth runs that look like first runs up in here), keep those nuggets intact like baby Jesus intended
DISCLAIMER: The wash when running bho vs qwiso (I only use qwiso) is fundamentally different, and I cannot vouch with anything more than inference as support for my methods translating to other solvents.
DISCLAIMER: The wash when running bho vs qwiso (I only use qwiso) is fundamentally different, and I cannot vouch with anything more than inference as support for my methods translating to other solvents.
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
Broken down = higher yield ... whole nuggets = superior product.
If you are really looking to do multiple runs with the same nuggets consider doing your first run with full nuggets then emptying your tube and breaking your nugs down to shake, reloading the tube and do a second run into a different pyrex. Your first run will be primo and second will not be as great as your first run ... you'll still yield oil but it'll be a little darker, less yield than the first batch and not quite as potent.
You can do multiple runs with whole nugs packed in there but subsequent runs will yield very small amounts if you do the initial run properly.
NickDlow
Log Hog
It's actually 3.3g's btw lol and here's a quick vid. Remember it's not even really purged yet so be nice lol
This is all for the head I'm looking for superior quality and taste. I'm using a 10g glass tube now n I just packed it n made the buds as big as the opening. (which isn't to big maybe penny size) I'm prob gonna do another run of new buds again tonight it's just soo addictive for get smoking it making it is fun as hell
This is all for the head I'm looking for superior quality and taste. I'm using a 10g glass tube now n I just packed it n made the buds as big as the opening. (which isn't to big maybe penny size) I'm prob gonna do another run of new buds again tonight it's just soo addictive for get smoking it making it is fun as hell
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MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
Save your old processed buds if you aren't going to run them multiple times ... you can make some insane cannabutter when you've got enough saved up.
hishighness
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I thought chlorophyll only made something green? It's definitely amber and not green but I may try get a UV light and shine it just to be sure. That was made from 100% kief and Skunk Pharm said there's already so little plant matter in there you don't need to freeze the kief.
Guess I don't have anything to lose by doing shorter washes/freezing the kief though so I'll probably try that once i get more kief and give it a shot on some smaller runs.
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
I too tried making my QWET with kief using Skunk Pharm's advice of not needing to freeze and much longer washes. Ended up with black plant matter infused sap.
Thinking about it though, hashes might be from 40%-60% cannabinoid content. This is relevant because hash (ideally) is just pressed kief, sometimes heated to facilitate the sticking together of the kief. So we can say that kief would be somewhere within this range of cannabinoid content as well. This means that the rest (other 40-60% of the content of our kief), whether chlorophyll or otherwise, represent redundant chemicals for our extraction purpose.
If you use ISO, a very aggressive solvent, 30 seconds with slight shaking may even pull some plant materials through with kief IME. I remember skunk pharm saying some colossal wash time in a comment where someone asked about their QWET method with kief and he said something in the order of minutes of wash time, not seconds. I attempted this as per his write-up, it failed miserably.
Lost a damn lot of good kief to that experience too!
Also, freezing is still a must with kief, believe me you can turn that solvent greener than the grass that grows from mother earth's crust quicker than you can say, "Hey where'd my kief go?!"
Please, with iso, still avoid exceeding 30 seconds for kief, and no more than 45 seconds with ethanol IME. YMMV, please do not take these times as gospel, but a working guide for what is a very new and rapidly developing methodology.
Life is too short to spend wasting precious kief, which are the closest thing to pure highness that nature gives us without significant work on our behalves (this for those playing at home is not a logical argument at all, but still, do you wanna waste your kief?).
EDIT: @NickDlow you will have something good at the end of that, if you find it to be a bit cloudy or dark at the end, remember you can always winterize with ethanol to get any water solubles out of there.
Methinks you have the same kind of experience in store for you as I had when I first successfully had shatter. Enjoy my friend!
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Gonna be doing a run of 14g of Jack Herer today. I will post up pics after The Purge. Will run some of these same flowers with the Kleen Xtract QWET method later this week for comparison.( funny, I watched a movie last night called "The Purge". It certainly was NOT the BHO love story that I thought it would be....)
I keep my water bath at <95F while evaporating the actual liquid butane. When in the vac the lower the temp the better. My goal is <115F Remember that boiling points are lowered under vacuum. With enough vacuum, you can boil water at room temp. My point: be very careful when combining heat and vac. Flip your concentrate after 1/2 hour. Then after at least every hour. Also lower the amount of vac as you go. Start with full vac and lower a few "Hg( my gauge maxes out at 30"Hg) each flip. Patience pays.
Precise temperature control is key.
Thanks @mvapes for some great info that I have incorporated into my tek!
This pic I posted earlier was after about 8 hours. I burp often it can't hurt to get that purged 'Tane out of that chamber. Just burp by opening the fresh air valve ( should be a filter on the intake). You do not need to leave the pump on. Turn it on, get vac where you want it, close valve, turn off. Mine will hold full vac overnight.[IMG said: