Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A
- Thread starter FlyingLow
- Start date
tuk
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, due to local laws, having access to that kind of pre-sale info is impossible, it's something of a miracle it's even being offered, no one around here knows what those things are...yet!
Last edited:
I think it would be cool to do a video of the whole several hour vac process then compress it down to 1 minute. You could watch the "evolution of shatter". That would be a great name for it.
My Jack Herer oil is in the vac right now. Yielded almost 5g from 14g flower (weight pre purge).
063_XOBX
Ganjapreneur
Yielded almost 5g from 14g flower (weight pre purge).
35% return?!? Do you have pics of the input?
@NickDlow We will see what the weight after purge is. With good flowers I'm getting at least 20-25%. This is my first with these flowers. I'm getting ready to run a split mix of Sour Purple Diesel and Jack Herer. Only 7g to start. Will run that when done with purge.
@063_XOBX Here's a pic of starting material. This is the Jack half of my next run from the same bag.
@063_XOBX Here's a pic of starting material. This is the Jack half of my next run from the same bag.
NickDlow
Log Hog
Just got an update from ups my vac chamber should be arriving by then end of the day today (Monday). I can't wait to purge the shit outta this wax lol ok best vac purge method for shatter? I'll be using a 2 gallon chamber with a 3cfm 2 stage pump, skillet, parchment paper, n my sweet sweet honey lol. So to my knowledge I'll be at full purge with my temp less than 115f. Flip 1/2 hour into purge and every hour after that. Any other input would be appreciated!!! Length of purge or any other info thanks guys I'm really excited ill post a vid when it's done
Glad I found this thread! Was recently in Amsterdam and met a few 'dab monsters' from the states.
I demonstrated a Maud-Dib to them and they kind of laughed it off as a toy. I got the feeling these guys just liked playing with blowtorches and the spectacle of dabbing, more than getting high.
Side rant: TBH these guys were pretty arrogant, and after a few sessions I got tired of their bullshit. They acted like they knew best about everything weed-related, and they were "educating" Amsterdam. Yet they couldn't answer any of my questions about concentrates. Every question was met with 'there are different extraction processes, its very complicated dude' or something along those lines
Side rant finished! Now I give these same questions to some real experts, as I know we have in abundance on FC.
- Why are some concentrates cloudy and some clear? Are the clear concentrates more 'pure', ie. less plant material? Or is this related to the solvent used?
- I noticed the cloudy concentrates have a sweeter flavor (for me). Is this because they are less 'worked', leaving more flavanoids intact?
- Around 6 months ago, there was a controversial discovery about traces of machine oil in ALL butane (even the 'safe' stuff). Apparently the cans themselves need lubrication for the nozzle mechanism. So unless your concentrate producer has access to industrial/scientific-grade butane, you're inhaling burned machine oil every single time you dab. My question is, what is the aftermath of this discovery? Are people now using better quality butane, or was this issue swept under the rug as I suspect? Does vacuum purging remove machine oil? I have my doubts, I don't see how a vacuum could seperate 2 kinds of oil (machine oil and cannabis oil)
- Is butane the most commonly used solvent these days? Or maybe split 50/50 butane/isopropyl?
- What do people generally mean when they say 'Isolator', 'Ice', 'Isohash' etc? Are they talking about isopropyl extraction? Or the old-school ice/water bag process? There seems to be a lot of confusion/overlap with naming...
Thats it for now, I may think of more unanswered questions!
I demonstrated a Maud-Dib to them and they kind of laughed it off as a toy. I got the feeling these guys just liked playing with blowtorches and the spectacle of dabbing, more than getting high.
Side rant: TBH these guys were pretty arrogant, and after a few sessions I got tired of their bullshit. They acted like they knew best about everything weed-related, and they were "educating" Amsterdam. Yet they couldn't answer any of my questions about concentrates. Every question was met with 'there are different extraction processes, its very complicated dude' or something along those lines
Side rant finished! Now I give these same questions to some real experts, as I know we have in abundance on FC.
- Why are some concentrates cloudy and some clear? Are the clear concentrates more 'pure', ie. less plant material? Or is this related to the solvent used?
- I noticed the cloudy concentrates have a sweeter flavor (for me). Is this because they are less 'worked', leaving more flavanoids intact?
- Around 6 months ago, there was a controversial discovery about traces of machine oil in ALL butane (even the 'safe' stuff). Apparently the cans themselves need lubrication for the nozzle mechanism. So unless your concentrate producer has access to industrial/scientific-grade butane, you're inhaling burned machine oil every single time you dab. My question is, what is the aftermath of this discovery? Are people now using better quality butane, or was this issue swept under the rug as I suspect? Does vacuum purging remove machine oil? I have my doubts, I don't see how a vacuum could seperate 2 kinds of oil (machine oil and cannabis oil)
- Is butane the most commonly used solvent these days? Or maybe split 50/50 butane/isopropyl?
- What do people generally mean when they say 'Isolator', 'Ice', 'Isohash' etc? Are they talking about isopropyl extraction? Or the old-school ice/water bag process? There seems to be a lot of confusion/overlap with naming...
Thats it for now, I may think of more unanswered questions!
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
Glad I found this thread! Was recently in Amsterdam and met a few 'dab monsters' from the states.
I demonstrated a Maud-Dib to them and they kind of laughed it off as a toy. I got the feeling these guys just liked playing with blowtorches and the spectacle of dabbing, more than getting high.
Side rant: TBH these guys were pretty arrogant, and after a few sessions I got tired of their bullshit. They acted like they knew best about everything weed-related, and they were "educating" Amsterdam. Yet they couldn't answer any of my questions about concentrates. Every question was met with 'there are different extraction processes, its very complicated dude' or something along those lines
Side rant finished! Now I give these same questions to some real experts, as I know we have in abundance on FC.
- Why are some concentrates cloudy and some clear? Are the clear concentrates more 'pure', ie. less plant material? Or is this related to the solvent used?
- I noticed the cloudy concentrates have a sweeter flavor (for me). Is this because they are less 'worked', leaving more flavanoids intact?
- Around 6 months ago, there was a controversial discovery about traces of machine oil in ALL butane (even the 'safe' stuff). Apparently the cans themselves need lubrication for the nozzle mechanism. So unless your concentrate producer has access to industrial/scientific-grade butane, you're inhaling burned machine oil every single time you dab. My question is, what is the aftermath of this discovery? Are people now using better quality butane, or was this issue swept under the rug as I suspect? Does vacuum purging remove machine oil? I have my doubts, I don't see how a vacuum could seperate 2 kinds of oil (machine oil and cannabis oil)
- Is butane the most commonly used solvent these days? Or maybe split 50/50 butane/isopropyl?
- What do people generally mean when they say 'Isolator', 'Ice', 'Isohash' etc? Are they talking about isopropyl extraction? Or the old-school ice/water bag process? There seems to be a lot of confusion/overlap with naming...
Thats it for now, I may think of more unanswered questions!
Ice hash refers to a way of making traditional hash using ice to separate trichomes from the plant.
Isohash refers to hash oil made with ISO I believe, this does not refer to shatter/wax/crumble etc made with isopropyl.
Almost everyone uses butane, hence the prevalent BHO nomenclature. Cloudiness of concentrates can be related to a number of factors, I have produced cloudy concentrates due to excessive heat purge times, due to plant material getting into the extract and due to water getting into the extract in quite an amount one time. There may well be other causes of this too! IME clearer is better, but cloudy does not = bad at all!
NickDlow
Log Hog
@herbivore21 how do u remove the cloudiness? U said everclear but what's the process?
Tommy Dukes
Live everyday like it's your last
Does anyone know some of the extraction tools that are used to get rid of the solvent during the BHO process. I went to the High Time Cannabis Cup in Sonoma this past June, and realized that everyone's shatter was much more pure due to the extraction machines that were being used. I was just wondering if anyone knew of any of the best brand names?
So my results from yesterday's two runs. I got 6.4g out of a total of 21g flowers. Two different runs. First was 14g of Jack Herer, yield after purge 4.2g. Second was 50/50 mix 7g. Half was Sour Purple Diesel and the other half was Jack yield 2.2g. Full Jack run is a little cloudy. I had a small drop of water fall off of the tane can while running. I don't think I'm gonna process it further just for clarity because it tastes great.
215z
Well-Known Member
Would you consider a vac pump to be essential equipment for achieving these results, regardless of technique?
For me the vac has taken my results from this to the pics I posted earlier. My oil would budder and turn to crumble after a few days. Now it is completely stable. So, for me, at
least it is essential!
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
For other solvents, no.
If you are using Butane, possibly. I am not experienced enough with that process.
I do think from my reading here and my understanding of how Butane purges, that you would be best to get a vac chamber for your concentrates if you make BHO and not IHO or EHO
Caligula
Maximus
Its one method that works well, among many. Is it essential? Only if that's the technique you are trying to pursue.
Shit, I sound like a fucking zen master. I blame the shatter.
NickDlow
Log Hog
My vac purge came in and I had a couple runs to purge. 1st was I ran the same material (12g) 3 times in one batch came out dark but still good... Yield 3.1.
2nd I ran 10grams once that's is the golden one one the paper.
3rd was the same 10g's ran again dark little guy lol
Run 2 and 3 I didn't weigh for a final yield here's a quick let me know what u think for a first timer. Input is appreciated thanks guys!!
2nd I ran 10grams once that's is the golden one one the paper.
3rd was the same 10g's ran again dark little guy lol
Run 2 and 3 I didn't weigh for a final yield here's a quick let me know what u think for a first timer. Input is appreciated thanks guys!!
Caligula
Maximus
- Using a cap with a "carb hole" over the nail in order to restrict airflow and reflect/capture heat/vapor.
- Direct Inject is a joint type, AKA "male" joints. This is the opposite of what you see for most flower pieces, which have "female" joints. This has a "male" or "DI" joint:
- A type of nail. Looks like this:
