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I broke my glass the other day after setting it to rest on my open Macbook on my bed lol. I was being too lazy from a wake & vake to set it on the dresser.... The way it broke was so stupid and blatantly my fault I couldn't help but laugh lol. It looked fine at first, then the joint fell off :science:
 
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mrbonsai420

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Well, I got it. It's definitely flawed. But it's functional and it is nice looking.

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Here's a milky vapor shot. And embarrassing clutter hahaha Man, that looks straight up like smoke! It was smooth as hell though.

So is that a 2 or 3 hole perc or is it just open at the bottom?

If anyone wants that extra Red Elvis Klein it's in the classifieds FYI.
 

ataxian

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GAH!!! My Slyme Kleino (dino Klein) is sitting at the ISC and is expected to deliver Monday. I want it now! I need to be in a stupor until next Wednesday.
Why next Wednesday?

Everyday you should be in a stupor!

You will read faster!
Drive better!
Drink more!

No one lives forever?

Be CIVILIZED!
CANNABIS = CIVILIZED

FREE THINKING

No BRAINIER

SUPERSTITION is PRIMATIVE!
(spelled wrong)
OK too much SHATTER and CANNABIS COLAS!

NOW = CIVILIZED

CANNABIS = LOGICAL
 

mrbonsai420

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Ooh my glob! The joint just broke off my little bubbler and it's not even been 24 hours. Worst hundred i ever spent!


I would complain to that guy. He sorta mis-represents his stuff and leads people to believe that they are US glass when they are cheap Chinese mass produced units. He may offer you your money back if you let him know that you will most likely warn other potential bidders on his IG in the future. Aka put his ass on blast for selling that junk for over $100 and saying it's US glass rod. He should be ashamed. Don't put up with that shit.
It's not your fault for getting scammed, people shouldn't be scamming. But check here first before bidding if there is a question. We know our Chinese glass around here lol.
 

Baron23

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I wish the base was wider and heavier for enail use.

Ah, you got it at last. I'm glad you like the function. I have had to use it without a drop down as with one and the Liger its just too close to tipping over. Of course that means I get reclaim in the tube below the joint but its been managable so far.

I have a local glass/vape shop near me that also has a glass studio. I was even thinking about taking the Gravlabs collab version to them and see about adding some additional width and weight to the base. That's all it needs to be pretty much perfect in terms of function.

Best of luck with it and hope you continue to enjoy it. I'm certainly liking the internal pump you recommended. Spot on, mate.

Oh, by the by, at this local shop that had original Bates internal pumps...not Gravlabs version...at about $500 for scientific but they had some worked glass ones there also for up to $700-750 maybe. They are a few years old stock, but I still think that Steve Bates did his retailers a disservice by selling expensive name brand glass and then selling the same exact design for cheaper production runs. In all honesty, I could not recommend that someone spend the $$ for his original with a pretty much exact duplicate out there for $110-150. Just saying, I think he cut his retailers off at the knees. I'm fine with him selling a design, but off the rack can be evocative of the haute couture models but absolutely can't be the same...otherwise, no haute couture sales. Yeah?
 
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weenstoned

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I dunno I think that the people who would buy grav labs stuff and those who buy expensive glass are different people . I could see maybe spending big money on one of the pumps that fits into a Mason jar as those are pretty cool .

You might consider a custom drop down which makes the enail sit level as that could help the leaning issue potentially
 

pigfoot

Dabs are vapor too!
Couple weeks back I got a mini Torus from Steven. Nice and straight. Doesn't drain completely, but I guess that's a Torus thing. So I ordered a mini Klein. Got it today. Packing was on point, no way this is gonna break in transit unless they throw it at a wall, HARD. Functions nice, even drains (almost) completely. But the alignment is wonky, like 30 degrees off. Looking down from the top, the drain should be opposite the joint/downstem, and the curve in the MP should line up too. I don't need perfection, but this is sad. Messaged Steven, at least I can probably get a discount. Sure wish they could improve QC.
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Hogni

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Send them a mail and ask for it!? So far I know they have two different sized ones. Maybe its only interessting for them if you would order a few.
Alternatively order one rig (the other rig with seperate mouthpiece is the FC-UFO) and order one or two other mouthpieces as replacement. So I will do with my next order of the FC-UFO.
Jane, CS at steven, is very helpfully.
 
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I dunno I think that the people who would buy grav labs stuff and those who buy expensive glass are different people . I could see maybe spending big money on one of the pumps that fits into a Mason jar as those are pretty cool .

You might consider a custom drop down which makes the enail sit level as that could help the leaning issue potentially

I am one person that will buy high end glass, Chinese glass and stuff in between like Grav labs. I just don't think the Bates clear pieces are any better than the Grav labs clear from what Baron says. BUT Those sick mason jar colabs are rare as shit and really unique, those are a bit different. He is comparing the same 2 rigs that look almost identical but have a different label because 1 was Pre-sellout and 1 was Post-sellout! lol. The only difference in the 2 is that the label has "Grav labs" added to it now pretty much. But selling out isn't all bad, It is an art form for some people and a business for others. and if you are lucky it can be both lol. I agree that no one will be buying those old stock clear Bates x Worm glass pieces for $500 though when they can get the exact rig for $150 anywhere now.

It sits level. The Liger can be set at any angle. Working very well and it isn't tippy without the drop. I would rather use a drop down just for easy collection of my reclaim for edibles but in this rig I will just leave it off. There isn't much heat transfer with the Liger so reclaim was the only reason to use it. Yeah, with the angle of this neck the Liger would be the only nail to actually sit level unless you picked it up because it's definitely not a 90 degree joint but it's not a 45 either. I guess it's a 67.5 degree joint lol So I have the liger locked in at a 67.5 degree angle and it's working great! I wish my little glass valve ball was black like @Baron23 internal pump though!

I have black ball envy ;)

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I am one person that will buy high end glass, Chinese glass and stuff in between like Grav labs. I just don't think the Bates clear pieces are any better than the Grav labs clear from what Baron says. BUT Those sick mason jar colabs are rare as shit and really unique, those are a bit different. He is comparing the same 2 rigs that look almost identical but have a different label because 1 was Pre-sellout and 1 was Post-sellout! lol. The only difference in the 2 is that the label has "Grav labs" added to it now pretty much. But selling out isn't all bad, It is an art form for some people and a business for others. and if you are lucky it can be both lol. I agree that no one will be buying those old stock clear Bates x Worm glass pieces for $500 though when they can get the exact rig for $150 anywhere now.

It sits level. The Liger can be set at any angle. Working very well and it isn't tippy without the drop. I would rather use a drop down just for easy collection of my reclaim for edibles but in this rig I will just leave it off. There isn't much heat transfer with the Liger so reclaim was the only reason to use it. Yeah, with the angle of this neck the Liger would be the only nail to actually sit level unless you picked it up because it's definitely not a 90 degree joint but it's not a 45 either. I guess it's a 67.5 degree joint lol So I have the liger locked in at a 67.5 degree angle and it's working great! I wish my little glass valve ball was black like @Baron23 internal pump though!

I have black ball envy ;)

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How does the hit compare on the external vs internal?
 
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Baron23

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I am one person that will buy high end glass, Chinese glass and stuff in between like Grav labs. I just don't think the Bates clear pieces are any better than the Grav labs clear from what Baron says. BUT Those sick mason jar colabs are rare as shit and really unique, those are a bit different. He is comparing the same 2 rigs that look almost identical but have a different label because 1 was Pre-sellout and 1 was Post-sellout! lol. The only difference in the 2 is that the label has "Grav labs" added to it now pretty much. But selling out isn't all bad, It is an art form for some people and a business for others. and if you are lucky it can be both lol. I agree that no one will be buying those old stock clear Bates x Worm glass pieces for $500 though when they can get the exact rig for $150 anywhere now.

It sits level. The Liger can be set at any angle. Working very well and it isn't tippy without the drop. I would rather use a drop down just for easy collection of my reclaim for edibles but in this rig I will just leave it off. There isn't much heat transfer with the Liger so reclaim was the only reason to use it. Yeah, with the angle of this neck the Liger would be the only nail to actually sit level unless you picked it up because it's definitely not a 90 degree joint but it's not a 45 either. I guess it's a 67.5 degree joint lol So I have the liger locked in at a 67.5 degree angle and it's working great! I wish my little glass valve ball was black like @Baron23 internal pump though!

I have black ball envy ;)

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You nailed it, @mrbonsai420! I also believe that artists deserve to afford to eat, own car, maybe even have health insurance! LOL

I have no problem with Steve doing designs and selling them to production houses. You got it in one, though. My issue is that he previously sold pretty much the identical piece of glass to shops around the country at a much higher price point. If I bought a Bates internal for $450-500 and then got a ToM advertisement email with a Gravlabs version for $109, I would be pissed. However, I did it backward from that! LOL

The bead in my externals are not black either...neither the Bates original nor the Gravlabs. Not sure why the internal's bead is black. The Bates internals with beautifully colored glass in the diffussion pumps were spectacular looking and as soon as I win the Lotto I will buy one! LOL I certainly can't fault Mr. Bates for the quality or aesthetics of his work.

One last thought, I have a glass studio near me. They will do some custom work, a lot of repair work, and they make adapters/dabbers/etc for the retail store (and teach glass blowing). I had thought to take my Gravlabs version to them and see if they can straighten the joint...may still do that as I now have two external pumps (sigh). If I do, I will let you know the result.

Cheers my friend.

Cheers
 

weenstoned

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Still think it might be a lot more stable if you got a drop down that significantly lowered the nail since the piece is not top heavy .

I just think that given that there's a good chance that grav labs stuff is blown in China (what I've heard, but I could be wrong) there's definitely a type of person who would shell out 500 because it's actually blown in America by a master. It would need a lot of heady color for me to shell out that much though .
 

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KimDracula

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Still think it might be a lot more stable if you got a drop down that significantly lowered the nail since the piece is not top heavy .

I just think that given that there's a good chance that grav labs stuff is blown in China (what I've heard, but I could be wrong) there's definitely a type of person who would shell out 500 because it's actually blown in America by a master. It would need a lot of heady color for me to shell out that much though .

It's not so much that the piece gets top-heavy but rather that it's base is small in diameter while also being thin so it's difficult not to move the center of gravity beyond the base with a dropdown plus enail and coil. Then again, that's kind of the same thing, isn't it? I guess I just don't see how lowering the nail would really solve it.

I believe the Grav Labs stuff is blown in the US (Texas, IIRC?).
 
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