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pigfoot

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What is a rattle can, in glass terms, I do not see it listed in the glossary.

edit: never mind, I found it on DH gate. were you guys talking about this piece?
Yes, Steven and CCG have one too. I think they look better than the one from SSS. They look to me,
to be based on the *othership mini, which is a cool design, but based on a honey bucket nail, so the mouthpiece is pretty low. The rattle cans take this design, but add a female joint, so it looks like the
nail would be higher than the mp. I think they need to have the mouthpiece higher.
 
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shark sandwich

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@mrbonsai420

I have the Steven Rattle Can, but haven't used the FC-710, so I can't compare the two.

The Rattle Can is very thick from the base to the mouthpiece. It is the sturdiest and best constructed piece I have received from dhhgate to date (others are the Kathy egg, CCG egg, Yingmin gb-186, and CCG d-cycler).

It's very stable with a dropdown and e-nail, and has become my favorite piece. That title previously belonged to the CCG egg, which I found to be plenty stable.

I just measured and the egg has a base diameter of just over 3 inches, while the Rattle Can base is 4 inches even, and much thicker.

It's definitely one of the least "tippy" pieces I have, and all of my use is with an e-nail and drop down.



@pigfoot

One of the original designs for the Rattle Can had the joint placed low on the can, kind of like pukinbeagles built in drop downs. That feature was nixed due to concerns about possible backflow risk.

Popular opinion at the time was that the joint needed to be well above the water line for it to be a safe design. As a result the joint position of the final design does necessitate the use of a dropdown. I wouldn't want to use the Rattle Can without one, even if the mouthpiece angle were steeper.

Hopefully the fc-mouthpiece designs currently in the works will help pave the way for more water-over-joint designs in the future.
 
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blazedd

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http://goo.gl/F9FX8w

Has anyone got any experience on this? I mean it looks pretty nice to me in the function video.
I have this and it's okay. More of a combustion piece. I didn't realize how big it actually was till I got it. The imperial perc holes are poorly cut and it doesn't drain all the way (although I'm not sure if it's supposed to).
dang really? I actually was thinking this piece would be perfect for oil since its pretty small, I was actually expecting it to be a bit larger. Turned out great because this piece has been amazing.. nice fat smooth rips in a small package. Really lovin this seller, also have the toro-style circ/shower, toro-style AC and mini pillar from them
 

MGG

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dang really? I actually was thinking this piece would be perfect for oil since its pretty small, I was actually expecting it to be a bit larger. Turned out great because this piece has been amazing.. nice fat smooth rips in a small package. Really lovin this seller, also have the toro-style circ/shower, toro-style AC and mini pillar from them

I sorta wish it was just the gridded inline without the imperial, water seems to all get stuck up in the top imperial perc :( someone plz make this happen <3
 

jojo monkey

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http://www.dhgate.com/product/2016-...g-two/372137916.html#s1-1-1b;searl|4184295743
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<cue rattle snake sound>

Did someone post this yet?
 

deltr0n

Big Daddy Oil
Has anyone worked with glass_artist to have their piece sand blasted? His insta has some cool looking patterns; some flower of life shit and some other Art Deco-y all over print. Any details on submitting designs ? And pricing guidance?
 

CuckFumbustion

Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Never dealt with DHgate, but did set up my account. They don't take Paypal. :ugh: My Visa got blocked. Before I take a second attempt, What is the smartest way to do business with them as far as transferring money? Best protection. Have gotten things from China thru Ebay. And had to communicate with the sellers when a situation arrives and it can be frustrating trying to intentionally word things in a manner they grok. Then to get them to quit stalling, if there is a dispute.
O.K. But any In's and out's, do's and dont's?
stevenlmz79 has a FC-278 that I have my eye on. He seems to have sold a lot of pieces and several FCers have bought from him. Has anybody communicated with him?

@pigfoot, I wouldn't mind doing something to get his attention and get him to believe he has a following of some sort. If he is being reviewed, it might help with QC. I'd rather take a swing at that before buying blind and spend my energy with RMAing and subsequently have my money tied up and start all over. And that is if there is no snags in between.:ugh: When there is one small hiccup, There's almost always snags between.

If anybody wants to talk me into a better choice, that is similar to my FC-278 or a more reputable buyer in general, I'm open. But there is certain criteria I'm looking for.
The Perc is attached to the base. The main pathway is prefebly an 18mm tube female connection. A solid piece with a solid base. I really like the reinforced glasswork with two function output of the FC-278. BTW.:peace:
 
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pigfoot

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Never dealt with DHgate, but did set up my account. They don't take Paypal. :ugh: My Visa got blocked. Before I take a second attempt, What is the smartest way to do business with them as far as transferring money? Best protection. Have gotten things from China thru Ebay. And had to communicate with the sellers when a situation arrives and it can be frustrating trying to intentionally word things in a manner they grok. Then to get them to quit stalling, if there is a dispute.
O.K. But any In's and out's, do's and dont's?
stevenlmz79 has a FC-278 that I have my eye on. He seems to have sold a lot of pieces and several FCers have bought from him. Has anybody communicated with him?

@pigfoot, I wouldn't mind doing something to get his attention and get him to believe he has a following of some sort. If he is being reviewed, it might help with QC. I'd rather take a swing at that before buying blind and spend my energy with RMAing and subsequently have my money tied up and start all over. And that is if there is no snags in between.:ugh: When there is one small hiccup, There's almost always snags between.

If anybody wants to talk me into a better choice, that is similar to my FC-278 or a more reputable buyer in general, I'm open. But there is certain criteria I'm looking for.
The Perc is attached to the base. The main pathway is prefebly an 18mm tube female connection. A solid piece with a solid base. I really like the reinforced glasswork with two function output of the FC-278. BTW.:peace:

I use a Visa credit card, works fine so far. Your card may have a secindary "pin" you need to input - check with the bank. Dhgate has some protection, and will go to bat for you, but the word on the street is it might take a while.

I think: simple pieces are apt to come out better in terms of tolerances, straight lines etc. The popular sellers here are all pretty good, but you will hear bad things from time to time. Steven sent me a poorly aligned mini straight fab, but I got a sizeable refund. That kind of thing is typical. The more experience I get, the more I believe, the Chinese have a different way of looking at business than what we as westerners expect. For the Chinese, making money is paramount. Cheating and lying are happily embraced as a way to accomplish that end. Dhgate does a pretty good job of bringing us together. We get great deals, they (probably) get higher profits than working for someone else. Approach with caution! Don't set unreasonable expectations and you will (probably) be happy.

As far improving things via communication, I think the odds are slim. :|
 

Duncan MacLeod

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What is everyone's favorite piece for dabbing?

I currently have an 18mm ti nail on top of an adpater on my d020, and was thinking there might be better options, but I'm not sure where to start or what to look for.

Thank you, everyone!
 
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pigfoot

Dabs are vapor too!
What is everyone's favorite piece for dabbing?

I currently have an 18mm ti nail on top of an adpater on my d020, and was thinking there might be better options, but I'm not sure where to start or what to look for.

Thank you, everyone!
FC 710 is quite popular, but the smaller pieces are overlooked lately, in favor of the bigger, more complex ones. Small size and little diffusion are where it's at for flavor. I'm looking at this one:

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http://www.dhgate.com/product/cheap...perculator-green/252995063.html#mfavit-3-null

http://www.dhgate.com/product/new-s...pe-pocket-glass/190892756.html#mfavit-14-null

http://www.dhgate.com/product/6-inch-glass-mini-dab-bong-wk-024/161615861.html#mfavit-5-null

http://www.dhgate.com/product/glass-oil-rigs-dab-rigs-water-pipes-with/256465439.html#mfavit-14-null

Also, you might want to try a quartz banger, cheap, safe, and taste great! I've gotten a couple from hymanquartz01, but I want to try one of these:

http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/high-quality-2mm-thickness-10-14-19male-female/254031156.html

rBVaHVYh4lKAes2eAAXhrEuqoqg329.jpg
 
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mrbonsai420

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What is everyone's favorite piece for dabbing?

I currently have an 18mm ti nail on top of an adpater on my d020, and was thinking there might be better options, but I'm not sure where to start or what to look for.

Thank you, everyone!

FC-710 with Liger V2.0 w/SiC insert heated by an enail. There really is no comparison with my other quartz and titanium nails or with any other rig. (one on the left) I actually feel bad using any other device for my expensive concentrates, like I am wasting them with any other setup. The one on the right isn't bad either. Little mothership rips great and it's super thick. It has the Liger V2.0 with the quartz insert.

http://www.cca710.com/liger/

http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/2015-new-glass-smoking-bongs-based-water/216674730.html


http://www.dhgate.com/product/2015-...nches/247499767.html#s1-0-1b;searl|1716633379


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demonscars

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dang really? I actually was thinking this piece would be perfect for oil since its pretty small, I was actually expecting it to be a bit larger. Turned out great because this piece has been amazing.. nice fat smooth rips in a small package. Really lovin this seller, also have the toro-style circ/shower, toro-style AC and mini pillar from them
Is that the appropriate water level? I have mine filled to where the imperial perc starts. And I just find it annoying that I have to tilt the thing around to get it to drain. Pretty sure that's not how it's really supposed to function. But maybe it is if that's how your piece is as well.

Edit: Just so not to double post: what would the "right" water level be for the FTK? I'm finally getting my hands on mine in probably another day (still traveling).
 

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Has anyone worked with glass_artist to have their piece sand blasted? His insta has some cool looking patterns; some flower of life shit and some other Art Deco-y all over print. Any details on submitting designs ? And pricing guidance?
Watching @mvapes thread, I noticed Chinese doesn't always go so well. You could always buy and hit up @mvapes and see if he can work with what you got.
 

mvapes

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I'd be glad to help anyone with China glass concerns, since getting into the glass game I can honestly say that some of their stuff isn't really bad. However, some is.

My biggest concern is that some of them use led based glass. Glass that has led in it is much cheaper, it also is workable at much lower temps than boro. The only way I found out is when a customer sends me glass to scratch for them and it's from China I noticed that certain pieces wouldn't scratch. I thought it was my equipment but after talking to the blowers that I work with I've come to learn that they use the same glass that makes light-bulbs.

Led based... :disgust:

But, please keep in mind that this isn't the case for all Chinese glass. There are a few that use better quality glass and I have been able to successfully work their stuff.

This is a pic of a Chinese egg. I actually loved the piece.

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pigfoot

Dabs are vapor too!
I'd be glad to help anyone with China glass concerns, since getting into the glass game I can honestly say that some of their stuff isn't really bad. However, some is.

My biggest concern is that some of them use led based glass. Glass that has led in it is much cheaper, it also is workable at much lower temps than boro. The only way I found out is when a customer sends me glass to scratch for them and it's from China I noticed that certain pieces wouldn't scratch. I thought it was my equipment but after talking to the blowers that I work with I've come to learn that they use the same glass that makes light-bulbs.

Led based... :disgust:

But, please keep in mind that this isn't the case for all Chinese glass. There are a few that use better quality glass and I have been able to successfully work their stuff.

This is a pic of a Chinese egg. I actually loved the piece.

IMG_20160101_122229_zpsffmvmhmq.jpg

I assume you mean lead, not led :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_glass#Safety
That was about all I was able to find on the subject, I would like to learn more. I was under the impression that glass was the same hardness, with quartz being harder. One might think that the addition of lead to make the glass easier to work at lower temps would result in less hardness, rather than more. Were any of our usual vendors using leaded glass?
 

shark sandwich

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@mvapes

@CameraNerd posted a video a few pages back (quoted at the bottom of this post) that showed an oil test done with a chinese egg similar to the one in your photo. In the video the egg does not disappear in the oil, which means it's made of cheap soda-lime glass and not the better quality borosilicate glass.

There have been a few exceptions, but most chinese pieces tested have been shown to be true borosilicate.

Glass with lead in it is also called crystal, and can be easily identified. Crystal objects act like a prism and refract light into a rainbow spectrum. Lead wouldn't be added unless it were specifically necessary, lead-free soda-lime glass is the cheapest glass to manufacture and it's totally safe.

I think there's a chance that egg in your photo sand-blasted well because it's made of soda-lime glass, like the one in cameranerd's video. Most dhgate glass is borosilicate, and that may be the stuff that's giving you trouble.

The one way to know for sure what it's made of is to dip it in some wesson oil. If it does dissapear, the blasted pattern will look awesome, just floating in space!

Here's the video, oil test is at the end.

Stevenlmz79 FTK x VAPE x Combustion x Canola Oil Test
 

mvapes

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I assume you mean lead, not led :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_glass#Safety
That was about all I was able to find on the subject, I would like to learn more. I was under the impression that glass was the same hardness, with quartz being harder. One might think that the addition of lead to make the glass easier to work at lower temps would result in less hardness, rather than more. Were any of our usual vendors using leaded glass?

Sorry for the mis - spelling. You are in fact correct. The Chinese do things a bit differently than us here. Their glassworkers are in a factory type environment with each blower labeled by numeric code. This is where the JJ, DS, DH, all came from - who even know's if there's a real Anne Meng? lol

There can be 20 distributor's selling the same product and not even know who touched or made (let alone what it's made of) the pieces in question.

In fact, I had worked two pieces sent to me by the same person. Both from the same vendor and both fab eggs. One was lead based and the other was fine. They both etched but the lead one would not let me dig any deeper than a half a millimeter. To give you a comparison, I like to go as deep as 3 mm at times. Hardness makes no difference as I can etch into quartz as well as other minerals. Lead based glass can only be etched using acids and creams which also means it's NOT boro. Boro can't be acid etched as it's lab grade glass. In order to be classified as lab grade it has to be able to stand up to solvents that could compromise the structural integrity if the glass.

I belong to a forum for glass blowers, sanders, and so on and so forth but as we all know I'm pretty new to the game as well. I might not know all the science yet but I can tell you guy's I've seen how their glass reacts to my abrasives. Another thing I would like to add that may offer some more insight for my FC brethren is that I flame polish my pieces after I scratch em. 3 separate times, with 3 different pieces, once I hit it with my torch I heard an immediate POP! Each one broke.

Hence Scratched Glasses new saying...

"don't flame polish the Chinese ones" :razz:

One more thing to add, in case anyone wants to know what I spray with I use 180 grit aluminum oxide.
 

herbivore21

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Sorry for the mis - spelling. You are in fact correct. The Chinese do things a bit differently than us here. Their glassworkers are in a factory type environment with each blower labeled by numeric code. This is where the JJ, DS, DH, all came from - who even know's if there's a real Anne Meng? lol

There can be 20 distributor's selling the same product and not even know who touched or made (let alone what it's made of) the pieces in question.

In fact, I had worked two pieces sent to me by the same person. Both from the same vendor and both fab eggs. One was lead based and the other was fine. They both etched but the lead one would not let me dig any deeper than a half a millimeter. To give you a comparison, I like to go as deep as 3 mm at times. Hardness makes no difference as I can etch into quartz as well as other minerals. Lead based glass can only be etched using acids and creams which also means it's NOT boro. Boro can't be acid etched as it's lab grade glass. In order to be classified as lab grade it has to be able to stand up to solvents that could compromise the structural integrity if the glass.

I belong to a forum for glass blowers, sanders, and so on and so forth but as we all know I'm pretty new to the game as well. I might not know all the science yet but I can tell you guy's I've seen how their glass reacts to my abrasives. Another thing I would like to add that may offer some more insight for my FC brethren is that I flame polish my pieces after I scratch em. 3 separate times, with 3 different pieces, once I hit it with my torch I heard an immediate POP! Each one broke.

Hence Scratched Glasses new saying...

"don't flame polish the Chinese ones" :razz:

One more thing to add, in case anyone wants to know what I spray with I use 180 grit aluminum oxide.
Also to support what Mvapes is saying and further add on the topic that glass is all the same hardness: there are different kinds of glass and different kinds of quartz with different physical properties.

Consider the differences observed within optical grades of quartz (IR vs UV) before we get to semiconductor grades of quartz - the latter being flame fused whereas the former requires electrical fusion/more advanced methods. Flame fused quartz retains greater water content due to residual hydroxyl groups which are a byproduct of oxidation/fusion, which reduces the optical clarity and the stability of the flame fused quartz. Of course there is variation and there can be; for example, electrically fused semiconductor grades of quartz which will still typically feature poorer optical transparency than required for the optical grades.

Borosilicate has different properties to other glasses in no small part because of the boron used in the manufacturing (as evidenced by the final constituent, boric oxide - found in borosilicate). Lab borosilicate aside from the silica and boric oxide will usually comprise some sodium oxide and a small amount of aluminium oxide (ruby and sapphire are each kinds of aluminium oxide, impurities determine the color and hence final classification). Lab grade borosilicate is extremely resistant to all kinds of extreme solvents, but also has a low thermal expansion coefficient, important for lab applications and the humble bong alike (especially if you got a hot nail sitting on a glass joint!).

Other kinds of glass can have low thermal expansion coefficients, like tempered soda-lime glass (US homewares brand Pyrex uses these), but are still not as good for our application.

Mvapes is absolutely on the money that acids should not eat through lab grade borosilicate (which is what our rigs should be ideally be made of) but will react with glasses with enough lead in the composition.

It seems that the higher lead content (or who knows, failing conclusive testing it could be some mystery constituent) in the non boro Chinese rigs (as Mvapes highlights above this still exists in China and can be found from Chinese manufacturers - it is just a bit of a crap shoot to know which will be which til you get it) negatively effects the resistance of the glass to this sandblasting technique as well as the thermal expansion coefficient. It might come as no surprise that this less robust glass is something less desirable for many purposes (including ours). If you do a quick google search of lead borosilicate you will find even a bunch of Chinese sellers on dhgate and alibaba stressing that there glass is lead-free.

Glasses with high lead compositions are useful in some electronics manufacturing applications however, they are just not appropriate for our needs.
 
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blazedd

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Is that the appropriate water level? I have mine filled to where the imperial perc starts. And I just find it annoying that I have to tilt the thing around to get it to drain. Pretty sure that's not how it's really supposed to function. But maybe it is if that's how your piece is as well.
Start at 2:53, I based water level on that but there is no way the clone drains as quick as the real sov.
Not really an issue for me though.. it always resets after a bit. does yours just chill until you tilt it?
 

deltr0n

Big Daddy Oil
Sorry for the mis - spelling. You are in fact correct. The Chinese do things a bit differently than us here. Their glassworkers are in a factory type environment with each blower labeled by numeric code. This is where the JJ, DS, DH, all came from - who even know's if there's a real Anne Meng? lol

There can be 20 distributor's selling the same product and not even know who touched or made (let alone what it's made of) the pieces in question.

In fact, I had worked two pieces sent to me by the same person. Both from the same vendor and both fab eggs. One was lead based and the other was fine. They both etched but the lead one would not let me dig any deeper than a half a millimeter. To give you a comparison, I like to go as deep as 3 mm at times. Hardness makes no difference as I can etch into quartz as well as other minerals. Lead based glass can only be etched using acids and creams which also means it's NOT boro. Boro can't be acid etched as it's lab grade glass. In order to be classified as lab grade it has to be able to stand up to solvents that could compromise the structural integrity if the glass.

I belong to a forum for glass blowers, sanders, and so on and so forth but as we all know I'm pretty new to the game as well. I might not know all the science yet but I can tell you guy's I've seen how their glass reacts to my abrasives. Another thing I would like to add that may offer some more insight for my FC brethren is that I flame polish my pieces after I scratch em. 3 separate times, with 3 different pieces, once I hit it with my torch I heard an immediate POP! Each one broke.

Hence Scratched Glasses new saying...

"don't flame polish the Chinese ones" :razz:

One more thing to add, in case anyone wants to know what I spray with I use 180 grit aluminum oxide.
A quick googling tells me that they started to add lead to glass to make it easier to cut the angles seen in crystal wear, by making the glass softer. That doesn't really jibe with your experience of not being able to blast it? Unless it's somehow so soft that it just mushes around instead of losing material? Any other possible explanations?
 

mvapes

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Inyour case you read absolutely correct. What you may have misinterpreted from the article is that glass doesn't get softer in a sense making it easier to cut or manipulate. Softer means it takes much less heat to soften said glass. The surface doesn't actually become "soft".
 

demonscars

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Start at 2:53, I based water level on that but there is no way the clone drains as quick as the real sov.
Not really an issue for me though.. it always resets after a bit. does yours just chill until you tilt it?
Yeah it will drain a little bit but not more than a few drops really until I tilt it. I think it's just the perc holes aren't properly cut. I'll try to get a function video up soon.
 
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