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Cheap High Quality Bubbler
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HellsWindStaff
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John Lewus
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dimildarko
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Can anyone explain to me what advantages more expensive glass has outside durability due to thickness? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around why I would spend over $300 dollars for something like a Mobius Ion when the D020-D looks pretty much the same. Do they function better? Taste better?
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
There is no real advantage built in to the more expensive glass we talk about other than the fact that you are buying it from the original artists and they may function better. These are artworks, and the original artists are generally creating something new.
The knockoffs that we get cheap from china will usually function similarly to the originals, maybe even exactly is some circumstances, but are copies of the artist's designs. It is like buying a print of a famous painting. As long as the copy doesn't try to pretend to be the original, we have no problem with them. It is actually the only way I might have most of these designs, just like I am never going to own an original Picasso. But if they add the designers logo, that is a counterfeit and isn't allowed here.
weenstoned
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Ya you are basically paying for design/r&d, quality control, higher american wages, and (generally huge) headshop mark-up.
Kinda surprised that more artists don't sell direct to the consumer for reasonable prices, rather than go through shops. Lots of dudes are selling direct, but are basically charging retail prices. Cue a bunch of glassblowers to tell me why I am dumb/not valuing their art or whatever.
Kinda surprised that more artists don't sell direct to the consumer for reasonable prices, rather than go through shops. Lots of dudes are selling direct, but are basically charging retail prices. Cue a bunch of glassblowers to tell me why I am dumb/not valuing their art or whatever.
DenverNugs
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That pillar looks fantastic. Do the top slits of the matrix fire all the way around the perc or just one side? Looks phenomenal for the price point. It might be time to upgrade.
dabsonthemountain
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You get better quality everything. It's thicker better quality glass, it's better put together, better shaped, and actually designed for what it's used for. The chinese get the death sentence for selling weed, so they have no idea what makes the best rig. They have no idea what they're making at all.
And the biggest and most important difference is the way oil condenses on chinese glass. It just isn't as good quality all around. There are apparently invisible imperfections everywhere that make oil stick instantly. I never get floating reclaim in chinese glass. It sticks instantly and forms globs, meaning more of your oil is lost to condensation. Oil just dosn't stick to clean american glass the same way. Quality, clean glass is like a natural rezblock.
But: none of that makes american glass worth the price. Besides the smaller blowers who actually consider their customers, the rest can screw themselves. You pay for the name almost every time.
weenstoned
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That oil condensing thing is total bullshit, boro is boro. I have definitely had floating reclaim in China glass, that is some sweet American glassblower fear mongering tho
dabsonthemountain
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Bruh, you don't know me. ** I hate american glass. I bought a minitube from a headshop, only to get home and find it was cracked. I returned it for another, got home and used it, only to find it was cracked too. But you can't return used glass.
Headshops and most american glass companies are money machines that can fuck themselves.
And you can have some floaters in china glass too, I should have clarified, when it gets thick and chunky it has to float. But if I take my rig from kathy cleaned, and my new american minitube cleaned, and take one dab out of both, the minitube will have no trace of a dab. The rig from kathy has claim right away. When I weight out my claim, to see what rigs are wasting more oil, I get 1.5 gs for every 3.5 out of my circ to circ from kathy.
That's a lot of oil going to waste.
My minitube takes 4 or 5 dabs to even have visible claim, and it's a film over the water, It won't stick to the side still. Then it turns to a ball that eventually sticks to the downstem. You say it's BS, I thought it was too. But it's not. The lower quality glass has more bumps in the welds and grooves that catch and collect claim that smooth glass dosn't collect.
But none of that makes it worth it, still. I will never buy expensive glass again. Glass is made to break, and apparently you can go to a headshop and the glass is already broken. Glass is inert. Id does nothing to the vapor another piece of glass won't do.
**insert that drunk guy arguing at the club here
I personally think the glass on my toro clone is just as thick as my real toro double mac. I used to love Toro, sov, mobius, all the overpriced hyped up brands. The FC-186 and 187 from Steven have really nice quality man, almost feels like 7mm. The floating reclaim.. I'm glad I never get that. I never got that with my real Toro double mac either... so I'm pretty sure its your concentrate or maybe I just clean my glass too much.
I've seen pictures of floating reclaim... really gross. My shatter and live resin just mainly turn the stem yellow, darker yellow and if it gets very dirty, then some yellow spots appear above the water lines- near the percs, but usually keep it pretty damn clean.
EDIT: ah just saw your new post, hmm.. very strange. I'll have to start checking how much I am wasting too... also never noticed if my rig gets claim right away after cleaning... will check that too.
Honestly, from my experience - FC 186/187/707 and Kathy's double mac toro clone - every single piece has beat any previous brand name I wasted mad cash on. What really surprised me was the Pillar... I hated the sov peyote pillar I bought for 1200... flipped that within a few weeks it was so bleh. But the FC-707, matrix pillar, has just been KILLING it! I have not been able to put this thing down man... it's freakin amazing. The thickness is unbelievable, shit made me scream when I unwrapped and held it in my hands. The matrix percs are all straight, perfectly cut, no bullshit at all. The pillar arms are perfectly welded, maybe 1 opening is slightly larger than the rest... alright so let me go spend $1130 more to fix that.
In my opinion, the 'real deal' is worth 10% more. I had this discussion on GC and someone told me the fact that it's China quality glass automatically makes it drop 25% in quality... to me - someone who has owned the 'real deal' AND the china glass - you literally pay 10% of the 'real deal' and only lose 10% in quality and 0% in functionality. Stop wasting your money at smoke shops, none of it is worth it now that DHgate and sellers like Steven are in business.
It's fucked up, but at the same time it really does say something about our current "high quality" glass companies. If it's literally going for 10% of what the brand name is... I mean yeah, they should charge more for innovation, higher quality glass and hand made stuff, but that much of an increase? Just think about it, 700 mini pillar = 52 clone that's seriously less than 10%.
weenstoned
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@dabsonthemountain Think you are getting more claim cause of the bigger form factor/more percs. You would need to compare a Chinese mini tube of similar size and shape to do an accurate test.
dabsonthemountain
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I'm not talking floating claim from a disgusting rig. I'm talking you just cleaned your rig, but floating claim forms in little specks on the water surface after 3-5 dabs. Then it starts to collect on the worked section of the downstem, then a spot where bubble sit stagnant. Then I clean it. It's mostly perc form as weenstoned said, but theres something else or else to it at least that claim would stick right away in the minitube.
The chinese just need to up their quality a bit more... If they really upped their quality i'd be willing to pay more. Maybe the whole glass thing is in my head, but the welds could be cleaner, and thicker glass shouldn't be too much to ask from every seller.
ChiefKeefe
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Honestly I have owned lots of american glass. Some china glass is equivelant to its american counterpart. A lot is not. Im not huge into rigs so I dont know much about the american ones. But one can assume that the mothership lineup has unique pulls. That being said i have owned LOTS of american flower combustion tubes. Sovereignty specifically, also dirty rico, mobius and a few other companys. I personally never see china replicating any soverignty flower tube and have it function close to the real thing. The aesthics and build quality of every SG is amazing. A triple bore and real pillar, or any of the flower tubes just wont be possible to be replicated in china based on the gridding and perfectness of each. I have owned a fc mini pillar, it functions amazing but is an oil piece. Also the fc-187 pretty much functions IDENTICAL to a real mobius 60t. I think Jon Circle should deisgn a new line of percs.
mrgohamilton
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so let me refer ya'll to the rezblock/cranberry extract thread
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/rezblock-cranberry-extract.8060/
this is caused by Chinese glass and their quality??? please.. "If they really upped their quality i'd be willing to pay more"?? thicker glass from ever seller? little specks after 3-5 dabs?? please....
I wouldn't blame any of that on chinese glass
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/rezblock-cranberry-extract.8060/
this is caused by Chinese glass and their quality??? please.. "If they really upped their quality i'd be willing to pay more"?? thicker glass from ever seller? little specks after 3-5 dabs?? please....
I wouldn't blame any of that on chinese glass
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subway13029
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I'm looking to grab a few pieces..first off I'm trying to choose between the fc-186 and the gb-186 and can't really decide..the fc is like 10 bucks more. And then I have the fc ufo..I really like the versatility of that then it comes to the recycler..who's version of this should I go with? Please help me as I am swamped with choices..and since I'm having to return my vapman heat station I wanna wash away my depression with some nice glass..so any help would be much appreciated.
ChiefKeefe
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@subway13029
Id go w/ the fc-187 and fc-ufo. Wont be disapointed. For a cycler the CCG D-cycler is boss
Id go w/ the fc-187 and fc-ufo. Wont be disapointed. For a cycler the CCG D-cycler is boss
pseudox
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Reposted this from the solo thread.
The Fab egg is from cnmengglass at http://www.dhgate.com/product/two-functions-2015-new-glass-faberge-egg/237527726.html
Perc works very well with solo and the mouth piece is very functional. Base is thick and wont tip over by itself. No real defects that I could find. The combo works well but I'm afraid to let other more clumsy people use it because of the solo making it top heavy and it could break off. I wanna try the fab egg tonight with some dabs.
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VapedNBaked
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Hi,
first I have to say that this forum is really awesome - so much interesting stuff.
I never thought that my new vaping hobby could make so much fun. And I guess I'll even spend a lot more time here in the future. I'm now also addicted to glass!
I started vaping 6 weeks ago, and already bought 5 new glass pieces since then. And I can't stop...
I just received my D020-D and D020-2S from sunshinestore. I can only recommend this seller to anyone.
The products are awesome, the communication/service was a lot better than expected (had some trouble in the past with other sellers). Also the shipping was very fast and the items were perfectly wrapped.
In short: A shopping experience as good as it can be.
Another great thing is, that sunshinestore began to involve the community in creating new products.
They started a contest on reddit a few days ago. I also contributed some wishes/ideas yesterday.
I'm reddit user 'vape-guy'. Summed up, my suggestions are: Improved mouthpieces, an improved dcycler, a new honeycomb bubbler and a Volcano Solid Valve adapter. If you like my suggestions, feel free to upvote my reddit post
. If you also want to contribute some ideas, hurry up: only two days are left.
I also suggested them to create an own glass development thread here on FC. I think this would be the best solution for involving the community. When they keep in touch with us via an own thread, I think a lot of great new products will rise out of it in the future.
I hope that what I wrote is understandable, english is not my native language.
I'll post more about my current vape devices next days - the last piece I ordered is the awesome looking FC-fab. Thanks for all the info I got from the FC users. Have a nice vape...
first I have to say that this forum is really awesome - so much interesting stuff.
I never thought that my new vaping hobby could make so much fun. And I guess I'll even spend a lot more time here in the future. I'm now also addicted to glass!
I started vaping 6 weeks ago, and already bought 5 new glass pieces since then. And I can't stop...
I just received my D020-D and D020-2S from sunshinestore. I can only recommend this seller to anyone.
The products are awesome, the communication/service was a lot better than expected (had some trouble in the past with other sellers). Also the shipping was very fast and the items were perfectly wrapped.
In short: A shopping experience as good as it can be.
Another great thing is, that sunshinestore began to involve the community in creating new products.
They started a contest on reddit a few days ago. I also contributed some wishes/ideas yesterday.
I'm reddit user 'vape-guy'. Summed up, my suggestions are: Improved mouthpieces, an improved dcycler, a new honeycomb bubbler and a Volcano Solid Valve adapter. If you like my suggestions, feel free to upvote my reddit post
. If you also want to contribute some ideas, hurry up: only two days are left.I also suggested them to create an own glass development thread here on FC. I think this would be the best solution for involving the community. When they keep in touch with us via an own thread, I think a lot of great new products will rise out of it in the future.
I hope that what I wrote is understandable, english is not my native language.
I'll post more about my current vape devices next days - the last piece I ordered is the awesome looking FC-fab. Thanks for all the info I got from the FC users. Have a nice vape...
I don't like any other sellers quality other than Steven at the moment. Def FC-186 over GB.
I've heard a lot of great reviews about CCG, but not personally experienced with them.
poonman
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Hi,
first I have to say that this forum is really awesome - so much interesting stuff.
I never thought that my new vaping hobby could make so much fun. And I guess I'll even spend a lot more time here in the future. I'm now also addicted to glass!
I started vaping 6 weeks ago, and already bought 5 new glass pieces since then. And I can't stop...
I just received my D020-D and D020-2S from sunshinestore. I can only recommend this seller to anyone.
The products are awesome, the communication/service was a lot better than expected (had some trouble in the past with other sellers). Also the shipping was very fast and the items were perfectly wrapped.
In short: A shopping experience as good as it can be.
Another great thing is, that sunshinestore began to involve the community in creating new products.
They started a contest on reddit a few days ago. I also contributed some wishes/ideas yesterday.
I'm reddit user 'vape-guy'. Summed up, my suggestions are: Improved mouthpieces, an improved dcycler, a new honeycomb bubbler and a Volcano Solid Valve adapter. If you like my suggestions, feel free to upvote my reddit post
I also suggested them to create an own glass development thread here on FC. I think this would be the best solution for involving the community. When they keep in touch with us via an own thread, I think a lot of great new products will rise out of it in the future.
I hope that what I wrote is understandable, english is not my native language.
I'll post more about my current vape devices next days - the last piece I ordered is the awesome looking FC-fab. Thanks for all the info I got from the FC users. Have a nice vape...
Welcome to FC VNB ,
Great 1st post and contribution to this thread .
Your English is fine .
I'm really liking the communication between DHgate and the outside world .
This kind of transparency for us patrons will be only beneficial to better CS .
I'm glad SSstore has started , with maybe other vendors to follow .
I only wish they had a better translator to my e-mails , but I digress ...
glitchsta
Member
Does anyone have the SL15002 from Steven? I am thinking about buying it...shit looks just insane...Wondering what you guys think about it. So Sexy!
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/perfect-glass-bubblers-base-water-percolators/202281220.html
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/perfect-glass-bubblers-base-water-percolators/202281220.html
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
well, there's a minute I'll never get back...
I wonder if the motivation for sunshine store to get user input on production is a direct result of our work with and the subsequent success of Steven?
pseudox
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My bad, I added a note to the post that it is just a loop
Here is a perc test for the egg, nice and short