Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

[EmDeemo]

@emmdeemo in all of your testing, did you test the temp probe with the stubby bowl or the newer style bowl? The only reason I could see the newer style bowls having an advantage is if you wanted to do smaller loads. In my mind, the older/larger bowl would need a higher temp since it is further away from the heat source. Since the FP SH has so much airflow and power, this might not even matter. Curious if our resident scientist has done any comparisons between the two bowls. Really appreciate all of your thorough testing.

Sorry, forgot to reply, Im using the bowl with the ledge, groove for screen and handle. I believe this was the latest bowl before the new adjustabowl, not the stubby.

 

[Danksta]

I'm looking forward to the glass bowl so I can feel safe using the FP with American glass. I still don't feel comfortable with all this metal and center pressure on glass.

It's had me wondering what lighter material could a SH be made of that works as well?

The only negative I have with this system is I only feel safe using China glass with it. Good excuse to buy some new cheap rigs though.

 

[EmDeemo]

So...

If some of us are back to flower and using the SH with flower only and moving on to using convection for dabs, what would be the reaction if I threw out the idea of a dedicated, flower only SH?

You know, somewhere far down the line, its not like it would be an upgrade exactly, more of a sidegrade or a head dedicated to pure flower convection. Its something that has popped into my head recently but I ignored it due to it omitting the whole Twax angle.

That is, unless NV brings out thin, purposefully made liquid pads for putting in the bowl, then we're back to twaxing...

Worth mulling over?

 

[psychonaut]

Why not just buy a female FP like @Chicken #420 recommends, get an adapter and voila problem solved, use all the expensive glass you want =)

 

[Chicken #420]

Why not just buy a female FP like @Chicken #420 recommends, get an adapter and voila problem solved, use all the expensive glass you want =)

Signs of intelligent life!

I actually have no problem using NewVape's male bowls on expensive glass inlets... I've never seen the male bowls ever break a glass joint. I just don't like using them this way, as it slows down the debowl/reload process as I wait for the joint to cool.

Plus, lately I like to put a degummed hemp filter inline, using the exact adapter piece that @psychonaut mentions. Keeps the glass cleaner that way!

 

[ichibaneye]

Then dont buy the new bowl, simple answer.

I wouldnt call you crazy, but I would say that you're only viewing this from you're own personal perspective and not putting yourself in the shoes of someone with mobility issues, hand issues, hand strength issues or even just ppl wanting it in the first place.

Theres a myriad of reasons why someone might need this, or just want it.

You'd be assuming my hands function perfectly everyday. You're wrong. It's really not that tough however overall. I get that you need what is best for you, so get what works for you, problem solved.

From reading and observation here it seems to be a time and patience issue for many. If one is wanting IT ALL RIGHT NOW then that's the issue. Slow down and enjoy the herbal bliss it's how it's meant to be.

To others here you know this to be true without hand issues and the like it's not truly that difficult and a bit overly dramatic.

What's a good while? @Stu
You'll always have thermal expansion with heat. I see no point here. Again my comment was with heat and when cooled down not being that difficult. Many times it's the humans that make simple problems to be overly difficult.

Try keeping things clean as in spotless too this makes a big difference.

I've also let many ROOKIES use my set-up without issues or complaints about having to take a minute amount of time for a wiggle and for things to cool down. That and no one missed a beat or complained about not being able to session again because it took to long.

So individuals like what they like I'm not discounting that or trying to sell them on it otherwise. This is common sense or should be by deduction at least. No need to take offense because that's a personal problem and not mine. We'll agree to disagree here. It happens everyday in life. Roger that!

 

[EmDeemo]

You'd be assuming my hands function perfectly everyday. You're wrong. It's really not that tough however overall. I get that you need what is best for you, so get what works for you, problem solved.

From reading and observation here it seems to be a time and patience issue for many. If one is wanting IT ALL RIGHT NOW then that's the issue. Slow down and enjoy the herbal bliss it's how it's meant to be.

To others here you know this to be true without hand issues and the like it's not truly that difficult and a bit overly dramatic.

What's a good while? @Stu
You'll always have thermal expansion with heat. I see no point here. Again my comment was with heat and when cooled down not being that difficult. Many times it's the humans that make simple problems to be overly difficult.

Try keeping things clean as in spotless too this makes a big difference.

I've also let many ROOKIES use my set-up without issues or complaints about having to take a minute amount of time for a wiggle and for things to cool down. That and no one missed a beat or complained about not being able to session again because it took to long.

So individuals like what they like I'm not discounting that or trying to sell them on it otherwise. This is common sense or should be by deduction at least. No need to take offense because that's a personal problem and not mine. We'll agree to disagree here. It happens everyday in life. Roger that!

In no way took offense. I also in no way assumed anything about your hands. I was saying other ppl might have hand issues you dont, or a million other reasons why they have an issue with sticking bowls. Maybe they wont be able to follow you and your limited focus groups way of doing things?

I dont have an issue with sticking either, I just dont really see the point in all caps shouting something is moot just because I dont have an issue with it. Many ppl have come up with solutions and thats great, some ppl still want a non sticking bowl and it doesnt mean they are just impatient.

For instance, I am not in a position to be able to keep things in my rig spotless.

Not taking any offense at all, just a call for empathy. Sincere apologies for stating it too bluntly or... not nicely enough. I am guilty of that a lot

 

[psychonaut]

I definitely am interested in getting a solution to convection dabs. It's a whole other level IMO from dabbing up top on the dish flavor wise. It's too bad those crafty oil pads didn't work well for ya'll, they didn't work too well for me either with the SH setup, even carb capped. Seemed like the wraparound setup did best for me at 620-640, cant remember. Not sure really what the big difference would be outside of the SH size accompanied by the carb cap hole, I think the dnail carb cap may have more restricted airflow. At the moment I don't plan to try anymore dabs on the oil pad with SH setup to conserve my meds. I don't have any of those Ti double weave screens, so will likely just wait for NV to come up with a proper solution like they do with everything else. Right now a dab on top of a very small bed of flower works fantastically, just sucks to have the ABV flavor creep up on the hits as the dab is still billowing vapor.

 

[EmDeemo]

I definitely am interested in getting a solution to convection dabs. It's a whole other level IMO from dabbing up top on the dish flavor wise. It's too bad those crafty oil pads didn't work well for ya'll, they didn't work too well for me either with the SH setup, even carb capped. Seemed like the wraparound setup did best for me at 620-640, cant remember. Not sure really what the big difference would be outside of the SH size accompanied by the carb cap hole, I think the dnail carb cap may have more restricted airflow. At the moment I don't plan to try anymore dabs on the oil pad with SH setup to conserve my meds. I don't have any of those Ti double weave screens, so will likely just wait for NV to come up with a proper solution like they do with everything else. Right now a dab on top of a very small bed of flower works fantastically, just sucks to have the ABV flavor creep up on the hits as the dab is still billowing vapor.

That wraparound thing makes potential sense, as the heat is more.. words are failing me badly this evening... The heat is more localised down the centre channel with the wraparound so I wonder if that helps direct the heat to the dab inside the oil pad slightly better.

If you do try again and get it working, I'd like to know because otherwise Im giving these oil pads away

Anyone want some free crafty oil pads?

 

[EmDeemo]

nope, crafty pads are shit in the flower pot.

HAHAHAHAAH

I am in the wrong thread for that offer

 

[ichibaneye]

Ti heat expansion my friend.

That's what I'm referring to. The metals expansion. Again you've hit on my point about WAITING. I get what you're speaking to in your particular set-up my friend, thank you for elaborating.

I however was speaking to sticking in joints generally overall. My fault for not clarifying beforehand

I'm relieved that you've not had any glass breakage because that's never a good day when it does happen.

 

[Stu]

What's a good while? @Stu

I can't say that I've ever really tried to remove the bowl after a minute or two, so I can't really say precisely how long it stays locked.

@steama FWIW I mostly use my mobius reti and I'm not really concerned with joint damage. I hope I didn't just jinx myself.

 

[buddingglasshead]

I am very interested in the new bowl even though I don't have any problems sticking. I have all of my bowls on separate drop-downs to easily remove them from any piece and also since the glass is a bit thinner, I've never had an issue removing them from them.


I have an OG no slit for screen, a slit for screen, and three stubbies. (all 14mm) I'm still going to get a new bowl, but I think I may have jumped the gun. Unless someone can correct me it doesn't look to be the design I linked in the picture below which is exactly what I want with the ability put the screen in different places. If the Adjustabowl is actually this I'm going to kick myself for not ordering hours ago. Still tempted to order it either way, though. I have a problem...

Post its from

 

[Likes2vape]

I honestly don’t hardly ever have the bowl stick on me and if it does a little wiggle of the bowl loosenes it and it comes out. I always empty my bowls right after I finish it. I’m going wait off until the glass bowl comes out, hopefully at some point a quartz head comes out.

 

[EmDeemo]

I am very interested in the new bowl even though I don't have any problems sticking. I have all of my bowls on separate drop-downs to easily remove them from any piece and also since the glass is a bit thinner, I've never had an issue removing them from them.


I have an OG no slit for screen, a slit for screen, and three stubbies. (all 14mm) I'm still going to get a new bowl, but I think I may have jumped the gun. Unless someone can correct me it doesn't look to be the design I linked in the picture below which is exactly what I want with the ability put the screen in different places. If the Adjustabowl is actually this I'm going to kick myself for not ordering hours ago. Still tempted to order it either way, though. I have a problem...

Post its from

IIRC correctly, its pretty much the same as that but without the multiple grooves. I think the actual version we have got posted too as a similar image. Im not 100% on the grooves thing tho.

 

[buddingglasshead]

IIRC correctly, its pretty much the same as that but without the multiple grooves. I think the actual version we have got posted too as a similar image. Im not 100% on the grooves thing tho.

I need it

Hopefully @NewVape420 can let me know for sure and if it isn't then possibly an ETA? Think I'l hold off for now it isn't the multiple grooves because I'd also like the glass. (and maybe that I already have five bowls?) Expecting it to be a bit pricey.

 

[EmDeemo]

What the Shower Head taught me today.

I learned whole nugs are the most tasty. I am shocked at how volatile the terps inside the trichome glands are and how rapidly the flavors evaporate. I have noticed that a fine grind destroys a great deal of flavors almost instantly. To preserve flavor I have been scissor cutting nugs and once again I learned how volatile and delicate the trichomes are. As you cut a nug down the more you cut and the finer you make it will be a progressive loss of flavor with the fineness of the grind. I had no idea how dramatic the loss of flavor is, but now I know better.

Makes logical sense, and I've found this also.

It was also one reason why when I discovered how variable the temps can be uncapped, I tried to find a way to get them more 'on point' thru the draw so as to not just vape all the terps off in one go. Now I think about it, some must get instantly vaped from the radiant heat in the 600 range. I know if the head gets left on the bowl in the mid 600's it'll toast the load. Not so much at ~540. Also down at these temps, the vapour and flavour just seems to stop, rather than any ABV, cooked taste happening.

Its still not a patch on the taste of unground, but more consistent on point temps is still way better with a fine grind than it was (makes my nose all tingly!) at more volatile temps. I think I need an adjustable carb cap now so I can see if theres a crossover point between adding back more airflow but still keeping temps from being so variable throughout the draw. It would be great if there were the accuracy benefits of being capped and pre-heated but less of the bloody draw restriction that inevitably comes from the cap! :/

My testing will never end!

EDIT: I know its dirty and frowned upon these days, but convection BHO is lovely this evening

DIRTY!

 

[EmDeemo]

I find that very fucking interesting my friend.

I shall let my brain know, I am merely its fucking secretary with all this I think. Its off on its own obsessional tinkerings whether I want to or not

EDIT: The other thing I realised is that all this may well be all completely turned on its head by the Ti carb cap. I have no idea how much the weight and thermal properties of the Showercap are affecting my findings or how much the Ti cap might change things. I'm assuming (and assumptions are bad! ) that its the draw restriction and the 'pre-heating' of the air as it makes its way thru the cap and dish before getting to the main SH thats more at play. Still on the fence about all that tho. However, stumbling upon all this made me understand (I think) how the Sublimator works...

 

[Stu]

What the Shower Head taught me today.

I learned whole nugs are the most tasty. I am shocked at how volatile the terps inside the trichome glands are and how rapidly the flavors evaporate. I have noticed that a fine grind destroys a great deal of flavors almost instantly. To preserve flavor I have been scissor cutting nugs and once again I learned how volatile and delicate the trichomes are. As you cut a nug down the more you cut and the finer you make it will be a progressive loss of flavor with the fineness of the cut/grind. I had no idea how dramatic the loss of flavor is, but now I know better.

Tagging @stickstones here as this post is of interest to him and his quest to rid the world of grinders.

 

[ParanoidAndroid998]

I'm about to purchase an e-nail off Dhgate.

Is this still the one to go for?
https://www.dhgate.com/product/240v-uk-version-electric-dab-nail-without/403371731.html

I'm concerned with the finnickiness of those style of controls on the front, but maybe it's fine in person?

I've also been considering this one, cause I like the remote.
Anyone have any experience with it?
https://www.dhgate.com/product/new-...r-dry/380536937.html#s1-0-1b;searl|0542730220

@Likes2vape Are you still happy with your Menovo controller?
Do you happen to know if this coil/cable would work with the Menovo controller? If you scroll down it shows two pin configurations - I'm not sure which one matches the Menovo.
https://www.dhgate.com/product/high-quality-e-nail-coil-heater-16mm-20mm/396887034.html#ctabBox

 

[EmDeemo]

I'm about to purchase an e-nail off Dhgate.

Is this still the one to go for?
https://www.dhgate.com/product/240v-uk-version-electric-dab-nail-without/403371731.html

I'm concerned with the finnickiness of those style of controls on the front, but maybe it's fine in person?

I've also been considering this one, cause I like the remote.
Anyone have any experience with it?
https://www.dhgate.com/product/new-...r-dry/380536937.html#s1-0-1b;searl|0542730220

Ya first link, I'm still using. I do find the buttons a tad fiddly when compared to the Auber's dial, but I'm still choosing to use the vapecode even tho I have the Auber, so make of that what you will

Second link, no idea, sorry!

Double decker, one dab in the dish, one smeared on the double weave Ti screen.

Gonna add a basket screen underneath just to do a triple decker for the fuck of it

 

[ParanoidAndroid998]

Ya first link, I'm still using. I do find the buttons a tad fiddly when compared to the Auber's dial, but I'm still choosing to use the vapecode even tho I have the Auber, so make of that what you will

Second link, no idea, sorry!

Double decker, one dab in the dish, one smeared on the double weave Ti screen.

Gonna add a basket screen underneath just to do a triple decker for the fuck of it

Cool thanks, can I ask why you still choose the Vapcode over the Auber? Is the temperature more consistent?

 

[EmDeemo]

Cool thanks, can I ask why you still choose the Vapcode over the Auber? Is the temperature more consistent?

No reason at all, not seeing any differences that have made me want to switch back even tho the Auber is currently sitting about a metre away from me I prefer the dial but not enough to open a box!

EDIT: Dab in the dish, dab spread on the Ti screen, flower in the basket below the screen. Triple decker, 600f.

 

[NewVape420]

@NewVape420 - perhaps you can answer a question for me regarding the adjustabowl product. I have asked before but not sure I received an answer. Specifically: the adjustablabowl was developed as a solution to male joints sticking in the glass. My question is: is the intention of this product to solve this issue by releasing the top part so as to empty the bowl with the bottom part stuck in the glass or does the entire assembly no longer stick due to the two piece design?

How's it supposed to work?

Thanks

Well its the perception of sticking tbh, as oft reported it's super rare that it sticks if you let it chill for a second. When in group settings, we realize this won't do! If you have friends waiting to experience the FP, its important that you can rip and instantly reload. Once you fit it to your setup, when you remove the AdjustaBowl it comes out as one piece, not two.

 

[Mr Rooibos]

Not sure if anyone else would be interested, but an option to buy the debowling spike and stainless head post separately would definitely interest me? I have a decent collection of wooden bowls/trays that would be fairly easy to tap and thread. Just a thought