YaMon
Vaping since 2010
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Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer
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Chandler
Well-Known Member
I've been adjusting to my showerhead, upping the temps. At first I stayed below 600. The vapor irritated my throat. The past month or two the vapor has become much more pleasing, smoothed out and I can comfortably vape at 650+. Excessive cleaning, burnoffs? I don't know what changed but she hits with a nice slap to the face depending on strain....
Woke up Sunday morning. Showerhead a foot away already loaded. @YaMon I cranked her up to 747 (like I never do) n took two massive draws. The most massive draws I've taken from FP. Sent me floating back to sleep on a cloud....
That was Sunday. Today's Tuesday, haven't hit the vape since. Hell, I couldn't even eat food. Forced 48hr fast. Can't swallow shit. Burned the fuck outta my Throat, What a terrible pain. I only feel the pain if I try to swallow something, but then it's excruciating. That was also 747 through water! I will NEVER hit my FP at those temps again. NEVER.
For those of you who ride that thin line between vapor, combustion, and 1-2 draw, full extraction with their FP's, BE CAREFUL!
Woke up Sunday morning. Showerhead a foot away already loaded. @YaMon I cranked her up to 747 (like I never do) n took two massive draws. The most massive draws I've taken from FP. Sent me floating back to sleep on a cloud....
That was Sunday. Today's Tuesday, haven't hit the vape since. Hell, I couldn't even eat food. Forced 48hr fast. Can't swallow shit. Burned the fuck outta my Throat, What a terrible pain. I only feel the pain if I try to swallow something, but then it's excruciating. That was also 747 through water! I will NEVER hit my FP at those temps again. NEVER.
For those of you who ride that thin line between vapor, combustion, and 1-2 draw, full extraction with their FP's, BE CAREFUL!
I wonder if by being down at sub 600 temps, you've given your lungs a massive break and they've gotten stronger, enabling the higher temps?
Normally, I'm all up for experiments, but now might be the best time to start pushing your lungs into irritable temps.
Chandler
Well-Known Member
Yes that's definetly a possibility. I went low and built up my lungs to the point where low temps wasn't doing it for me.... 747 is too extreme though. (for me) I'm still apprehensive to eat. Might just chill till tomorrow
What I need is a glass bowl. I think the flavor is nice, but glass would be even nicer. However one glass bowl to Canada, the shipping costs as much as the bowl!
Baron23
Well-Known Member
I run at 700 F and have been doing so for at least a couple of years now with my SH.
I have never experienced the damage to the throat you have. Not at all.
Sorry to hear it, Chandler, and I hope you heal soon.
We are indeed all individuals and different. One man's food is another man's poison.
Cheers
Chandler
Well-Known Member
True, and Much appreciated. I blame myself. I don't take draws like those often. After the first toke I was like holy shit on the exhale. But it didn't hurt at the time. Was a huge fairly smooth hit. No coughing. It's the after effect... I burned my lungs one previous time to this extent. That was with 510 carts. After that feeling, I haven't used carts again. That was the summer.
I think if I was using my megaglobe instead of the mini, different story.
caliganja420
Well-Known Member
better then EVO, yes...
Baron23
Well-Known Member
YaMon
Vaping since 2010
I hope you feel better soon. How long (Seconds) were your draws at 747 as you said massive draws? At the higher temps you have to shorten your draw to 5 seconds or under. The benefit is extremely fast extraction akin to combustion but without smoke. I do sometimes get terp burn in my throat.. the terpenes feel like they are burning, built not doing any lasting damage (at least none I am ware of). The terp burn only happens with a fresh load of really good herb and subsides with each extraction. It really helps to have water handy.
RustyOldNail
SEARCH for the treasure...
I’m still learning my new WeedEater. I have tried loading both .1 & .2 using 1-2 scoops with the NV loading tool. Using my Auber 300, with no temp offset, at 600f. I never get more then 2 hits, fairly slow draw. Any higher then 600f, and the end of 2nd hit has the popcorn taste, ABV looks pretty done. My Brilliant Cut Grinder is on the way, maybe that will effect my results.
What I don’t understand is how in the VapeCritic flowerpot video review, it shows him taking 4 or more hits on the same .1 - .2 loaded bowl, at over 600f. I not only can’t produce anywhere near that many hits, it almost seems impossible, before bad taste. Something here seems amiss.
gratefulabe
Well-Known Member
Draw strength plays a huge role, slower=higher effective temperatures
RustyOldNail
SEARCH for the treasure...
Drawing slow on these types of convection vapes seems the best way to get any visible vapor, but I’ll try a faster draw for fun. Still don’t see how VapeCritic could get 4-5 hits out of a .1-.2 bowl at any draw strength?
gratefulabe
Well-Known Member
Yeah, even with a full bowl, I only get about 3, but they get you ripped. I’m at 625, with no water. I find it easier to control the draw without it.
bizwaxzion
Enigmatic Cannabist
I tune my (WE) temp to minimize what I refer to as the 'dead zone'. This is the time between starting to draw and seeing vapor appear. With most herb that's between 675F and 690F at my draw speed. 0.1 - 0.2 with a light tamp and stir between is two draws and medium brown ABV. This vape does like a slow draw which I find is assisted by a free flowing perc (showerhead, matrix, gridded stemline etc) or anhydrous glass.
RustyOldNail
SEARCH for the treasure...
Very interesting, I’m seeing most are not getting much more then 2 pulls/draws with small loads which mirror my early results. Maybe VapeCritic enjoys popcorn taste, because that’s all I taste after two draws with a .2 bowl. I’m going to try my first really loaded bowl, whatever weight that might be, and see what I get.
As far as 675-695f, maybe I have a great coil, as beyond 600f here, is toasty hot. Mystery continues. Appreciate all the feedback, it’s very helpful in my continued struggles with my WeedEater.
bizwaxzion
Enigmatic Cannabist
I get vapor at 600F it's just slower to start. I don't perceive the inhaled air temp to be much different between 600F and 690F but the characteristics of the vapor are different. It's more of a beer vs a shot if that makes sense. I'd like to finish in 1 draw - but there's always a little left after a quick stir that I can't bring myself to dump even if the taste is not stellar like the first draw.
tranceporter
The Cloud Conductor
I vape higher temps (650-700) exclusively and my throat definitely got irritated after a few weeks of overindulging with the Vrod. I was getting random coughing fits and some wheezing due to mucus in my throat. Not nearly as bad as you but I took a 3 day t-break and I feel pretty much back to normal. I think i'll try to keep the temps to 600 or under with warm water filtration but I really prefer the high that high temp vapor produces.
Chandler
Well-Known Member
I'd say longer than 5 srconds or at the least 5 seconds. I was just watching the globe fill with thick vapor, pulled the bowl n took it all back. Should've stopped right there!
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I wouldn't wish this feeling on anybody. Was able to swallow food with minor irritation today. I'll be alright by tomorrow. Was good to hit the vape late last night.
Usually Anhydrous, I'm all for water filtration right now!
RustyOldNail
SEARCH for the treasure...
My first bowl, when I received my WeedEater, was at about 650f if I remember. The top of my small load was almost black, seemed close to combustion. I’ll have to revisit this, as my coil should not be much different then others in regards to these temps.
YaMon
Vaping since 2010
I’d recommend letting your globe fill, pull the heat, exhale and then finish what’s left in your globe. I cannot draw for more then 5 seconds at 747F and do not take all the vapor from a <5 second draw all at once. Initial draw fills the globe and partially the lungs, exhale, then clear the globe. May seem like not much vapor, but trust me that you don’t want to take all that in at once and you definitely want water in your piece if you want to frolic at these temps.
Easywider
Simple is the way
Also your draw speed is as big of a variable as the temperature set on your PID. People who are using very high temps generally draw much faster.
if you are a lower temp guy normally and wanna play in the @YaMon range of 747 I would suggest to put less material in, .1 or less and inhale much quicker then normal. If you draw too fast the worst that will happen is you won’t fully extract in one hit, (ok and maybe a mouthful of water ) you can always slow it down on your next.
If you draw too slow you will scorched bowls, scorched throats ect. High temps + smaller bowls + faster inhale = one hit bong like experience.
Different glass will effect airflow as well. Some of my pieces 730f is perfect for me and others 685f
So many variables. So many ways to fine tune is that makes this vape such an awesome experience for everyone!
Keep experimenting, you know for science
if you are a lower temp guy normally and wanna play in the @YaMon range of 747 I would suggest to put less material in, .1 or less and inhale much quicker then normal. If you draw too fast the worst that will happen is you won’t fully extract in one hit, (ok and maybe a mouthful of water ) you can always slow it down on your next.
If you draw too slow you will scorched bowls, scorched throats ect. High temps + smaller bowls + faster inhale = one hit bong like experience.
Different glass will effect airflow as well. Some of my pieces 730f is perfect for me and others 685f
So many variables. So many ways to fine tune is that makes this vape such an awesome experience for everyone!
Keep experimenting, you know for science
So many variables. So many ways to fine tune is that makes this vape such an awesome experience for everyone!
Keep experimenting, you know for science
YES!
Back down in the 550 to 630 ranges (or whatever seems like lower temps on your set up), with the Vrod and showerhead, and a very full bowl... flavour town.
I found the gold on most FP's, by starting low in temp, working my way up the temp range, then coming back down again, at 5 to 15 degree increments. Ya can get well specific with temps too see where your personal sweet spot is, and separate the flavours out into temp ranges, particularly with a very packed bowl. I recommend a packed bowl and a low start.
For science.
But as you know, I'm a bit of a specific user. Always the same glass, and fucked lungs. I never got the hang of the high temps with flower and an FP. I remained a rank amateur in that department
I have no WE experience at all either, so there is that caveat as well
gratefulabe
Well-Known Member
“Different glass will effect airflow as well. Some of my pieces 730f is perfect for meand others 685f”
I found when I use mine without water I can go with lower temps because it’s easier to draw slowly.
I found when I use mine without water I can go with lower temps because it’s easier to draw slowly.
@RustyOldNail Did you manage the 'probe in the airpath' and then doing an empty bowl the way you would normally hit it, at the temp you think you want? See what the actual airflow (very approximately) is? That also helped me find the right range, referring back to those charts that go around. Again, its all very approximate but its still more accurate than not doing it
Like @gratefulabe says, it can be that one thing that opens things up with your particular combo of settings etc.
Like @gratefulabe says, it can be that one thing that opens things up with your particular combo of settings etc.