Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer
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Square4Life
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Here's my take on the whole coughing bit...
I don't notice it with the FP yet really, granted, I'm not very sensitive either. Regardless, when I was using the Grasshopper regularly, natively...the temperature did not affect me and result in coughing near as much as the amount of suction/airflow I used. At least I don't think it was the heat. I could be on heat level 2 (2 out of 5) and if I gave it a really hard draw, it'd result in the throat irritation and coughing.
NOW, perhaps the temperature does affect it and the draw speed increases the irritation whereas if I did my normal 'moderate' draw, the air/vapor would have more time to cool before it hit my throat and therefore, did not irritate as bad.
On the side of small particles causing the irritation...perhaps I'm oversimplifying it but wouldn't the water 'weigh' down the particles and for the most part, trap them in the water, keeping them from getting to your throat/lungs?
I don't notice it with the FP yet really, granted, I'm not very sensitive either. Regardless, when I was using the Grasshopper regularly, natively...the temperature did not affect me and result in coughing near as much as the amount of suction/airflow I used. At least I don't think it was the heat. I could be on heat level 2 (2 out of 5) and if I gave it a really hard draw, it'd result in the throat irritation and coughing.
NOW, perhaps the temperature does affect it and the draw speed increases the irritation whereas if I did my normal 'moderate' draw, the air/vapor would have more time to cool before it hit my throat and therefore, did not irritate as bad.
On the side of small particles causing the irritation...perhaps I'm oversimplifying it but wouldn't the water 'weigh' down the particles and for the most part, trap them in the water, keeping them from getting to your throat/lungs?
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muunch
hotboxing the cockpit
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look what was ninja uploaded to the site!
https://www.newvape.com/threaded-loading-tool
thank you @NewVape710
ParanoidAndroid998
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Amazing!!
That's why we fuck with NewVape!
Right next to the Ti double weaves too, so that when you go to add one of them to your cart it can go "Uh-hum" and glance to it's side!
Heres my embarrassing-stating-the-bleeding-obvious-none-coughing-vaping-equation first draft 
This is specific to convection and possibly more specific to the FPSH than other vapes, tho it works with what I think was the issue for me with the Volcano, and maybe why I dont have the same issue with the SH (I'm still mulling all this over, seeing how it fits with my vapcap and pipes project usage). I'm not convinced by some of the terms I've chosen either. Work in progress
grind consistency (whole nug to fine grind) + load size
x
bowl airflow (how much air gets right into the load and how immediately extraction temps hit the load particles) + air temp control (coil temp, capped or not, draw speed, variations in air temp basically)
=
vapour density + extraction efficiency (or rather speed of extraction)
=
coughing or not coughing.
(GC + LS) x (BAF + ATC) = (VD + EE) = C/NC
Have at it folks Feel free to tear into it and see if it can be refined or if I'm talking out of my arse
I cant deal with maths in the slightest so I have no idea if my +, x and ( ) are being used correctly, just trying to get the point across without making my brain bleed.
This is specific to convection and possibly more specific to the FPSH than other vapes, tho it works with what I think was the issue for me with the Volcano, and maybe why I dont have the same issue with the SH (I'm still mulling all this over, seeing how it fits with my vapcap and pipes project usage). I'm not convinced by some of the terms I've chosen either. Work in progress grind consistency (whole nug to fine grind) + load size
x
bowl airflow (how much air gets right into the load and how immediately extraction temps hit the load particles) + air temp control (coil temp, capped or not, draw speed, variations in air temp basically)
=
vapour density + extraction efficiency (or rather speed of extraction)
=
coughing or not coughing.
(GC + LS) x (BAF + ATC) = (VD + EE) = C/NC
Have at it folks
Feel free to tear into it and see if it can be refined or if I'm talking out of my arse I cant deal with maths in the slightest so I have no idea if my +, x and ( ) are being used correctly, just trying to get the point across without making my brain bleed.
Chicken #420
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emmdeemo,
Great work... but I fear you may be attempting the impossible.
Every batch of herb will have a different Terpene and Cannabinol profile, and every user will physiologically react in a different way... often different reactions with the same person from day to day! There are so many variables here that it boggles the mind.
The obvious statement here is that if you don't want to cough, then don't go inhaling shit that isn't air. However, many of you live in polluted cities, so even that statement isn't 100% true!
Great work... but I fear you may be attempting the impossible.
Every batch of herb will have a different Terpene and Cannabinol profile, and every user will physiologically react in a different way... often different reactions with the same person from day to day! There are so many variables here that it boggles the mind.
The obvious statement here is that if you don't want to cough, then don't go inhaling shit that isn't air. However, many of you live in polluted cities, so even that statement isn't 100% true!
emmdeemo,
Great work... but I fear you may be attempting the impossible.
Nothing to be afraid of, its all in good fun
And we wont know its impossible until all avenues have been exhausted. On a purely personal note, my lungs say I'm on the right track which is why I ended up at the SH in the first place And if that equation purely holds true only for me then so be it But I'm pretty sure I've seen a whole bunch of ppl say they dont cough as much with the SH, maybe we can find out why.Maybe on a grand scale, like taking into account different respiratory illnesses and invisible particles (the city I live in has awful air quality, I dont exercise enough either, I have asthma etc etc), but maybe, just maybe, when it comes to basic irritation, there arent as many variables as you think. Maybe its just draw restriction, maybe its just vapour temp, maybe its just vapour condensing on the lungs, maybe its one specific range of terpenes that have more of an expectorant quality than the rest. Maybe its a combination of 4 or 5 main things?
The obvious statement here is that if you don't want to cough, then don't go inhaling shit that isn't air. However, many of you live in polluted cities, so even that statement isn't 100% true!
Or maybe there is only one variable, dont inhale?
But @steama gets it, more excuses for more testing!
ParanoidAndroid998
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I'm going to be purchasing my FP soon, and I thought it might be useful for current users to share their favorite temps/glass/grind etc. in a point form list, so that new users can refer to them when they're setting theirs up for the first time.
It could be written out like I've done below, but if someone has a better format or more to add to this one, we can use that instead.
Favorite temps could be written as a range, if just one temperature is too specific.
Of course, there are other immeasurable variables, like quality of bud, type of controller etc. however I think this will still be useful.
E-Nail/Controller:
FP Head:
Fine Grind
Favorite "low temp":
Favorite "mid temp":
Favorite "high temp":
Course Grind
Favorite "low temp":
Favorite "mid temp":
Favorite "high temp":
Favorite Glass:
I dunno, let me know what you guys think. Just might save people some time if it's all laid out like this.
It could be written out like I've done below, but if someone has a better format or more to add to this one, we can use that instead.
Favorite temps could be written as a range, if just one temperature is too specific.
Of course, there are other immeasurable variables, like quality of bud, type of controller etc. however I think this will still be useful.
E-Nail/Controller:
FP Head:
Fine Grind
Favorite "low temp":
Favorite "mid temp":
Favorite "high temp":
Course Grind
Favorite "low temp":
Favorite "mid temp":
Favorite "high temp":
Favorite Glass:
I dunno, let me know what you guys think. Just might save people some time if it's all laid out like this.
These change daily, hourly, for me
Plus as a starting point, I think the main instructions NV provides is the way to go. Set between 600 and 700, load a bowl, go for it Not to poo-poo your idea, apologies I'm sure ppl will be only too happy to provide fave details for sure.EDIT: I'm so full of shit... My general settings atm are permanently capped, it never comes off, and no matter what the grind is I'm usually about 540 - 565
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ParanoidAndroid998
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Fair enough, thanks!These change daily, hourly, for me
EDIT: My general settings atm are permanently capped, it never comes off, and no matter what the grind is I'm usually about 540 - 565
Square4Life
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These change daily, hourly, for me
EDIT: My general settings atm are permanently capped, it never comes off, and no matter what the grind is I'm usually about 540 - 565
I keep seeing you talk about these low temps and I have tried, maybe not to the full extent, although, I cannot seem to get my AVB very dark. I know everyone likes to extract their material to different lengths although I was curious how yours gets at 540?
muunch
hotboxing the cockpit
I like 630~640 for both coarse and fine grind from kannastor gr8tr plates.
Coarse= more flavor, more hits per bowl
Fine =denser vapor, quicker milk, smash 0.1-0.2 in 2~hits
Any coarser than that, I didn't like... Sorry SW2.
I sometimes go to 670-680 with super fast draw and it gives very nice flavor but rapidly dips.
560~ish capped if I wanns stay very low temp and don't care about dense vapor/getting baked quickly.
Draw speed and rig/perc is more of a factor in temp choice rather than grind. Grind does affect things but most of the modulation occurs from draw speed in combination w temp change imo.
I guess I say that bc you can still go "too hot" with a coarse grind trying to get the dense vapor of a coarse grind and end up getting popcorn taste.
Coarse= more flavor, more hits per bowl
Fine =denser vapor, quicker milk, smash 0.1-0.2 in 2~hits
Any coarser than that, I didn't like... Sorry SW2.
I sometimes go to 670-680 with super fast draw and it gives very nice flavor but rapidly dips.
560~ish capped if I wanns stay very low temp and don't care about dense vapor/getting baked quickly.
Draw speed and rig/perc is more of a factor in temp choice rather than grind. Grind does affect things but most of the modulation occurs from draw speed in combination w temp change imo.
I guess I say that bc you can still go "too hot" with a coarse grind trying to get the dense vapor of a coarse grind and end up getting popcorn taste.
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Are you asking how dark I get it?
Fully extracted, if I raise temps, I get no hits. Shit photo...
As dark as I get it with any other vape I've used. Dark
The lighter bits are just slightly bigger chunks of stalk.
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Square4Life
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Going to try this again tonight with keeping the cap on and all. Will report back.Are you asking how dark I get it?
Fully extracted, if I raise temps, I get no hits. Shit photo...
As dark as I get it with any other vape I've used. Dark
Every time I've tried the low temps (around 550)...I can still crank it to 650 and pull a few. Can you do this even with .05-.1g or do you primarily do all of this with a fairly full load?
Ever used a Daisy or a sticky brick?
Just loaded ~0.05g into the SH, 540f, pre-heated cap permanently on, fine grind... big cloud, barely any browning... I'd liken it to my memories of perfect Daisy hits but easier to control the temp and stay at that perfect cloud, flavour and maximum amount of hits temp. Up the temp a bit and this would all be gone in one. Maybe up at 560 - 590? I'm upping to 555 to finish it off
And no coughing, unlike Daisy for me.
But yeah, I do have a tendency to do more full bowls and hit it over time.
Oh, and dont forget the bowl sucks some of the heat out of the coil. If the bowl is cold, put the head on the empty bowl for three minutes, then load.
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I'm gonna start trying to find that sweet spot of amount of herb needed to get only a fresh tasting hit. Large enough to get a good hit, yet small enough to avoid any ABV flavor. I think I tasted it a little bit with 0.1gr. Also wondering if I may get more medicated this way versus full bowl. I'm not overly hopeful on that last part. It would also allow to do different strains in a session without having to break out concentrates.
@steama love them fiskars =)
@steama love them fiskars =)
I'd literally just decided not to post a follow up and then you say that
As per the question from @Square4Life above, I got one decent hit, and two or so whispy bits of crap, most of the hit went down in one I think. Gonna try another one But holy shit, its hit me more than the full bowls I've been doing today so far. You may be on to something there! A full extraction hit from a small amount, instead of a partial extraction hit off a full bowl (a full extraction hit but from less of the full bowl than a fully hot air ecompassed smaller amount?). Makes sense until someone disagrees with me!
One of the main things I've noticed with these 'lower temp' permacapped bowls is an almost complete absence of abv flavour unless Im trying real hard. Sorry, it sounds like I'm trying to sell this, I'm not, its just a genuine bunch of thoughts I've had
Pinch of salt init
You could do an ISO wipe on the metal if you are concerned, I just heated mine up to 730F for 15 minutes and used it. BTW I dont recommend that temperature, drop it down a bit =)
