Camouflet Convector

budski

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I received a ?? about other tips w/convector, here's a quick response.

"I have tried the vaphit X, and like the helix the vent holes in the bowl take away from the convection process of the convector cap by letting cool air into the bowl w/out heating it through the heatmatrix in the tip. The vapx won't hold the convctr cap as it's slightly skinnier than the vong tips, some vong tips are just big around enough to hold the convctr cap because they are a bit too tight a fit for regular captive caps, so doesn't let cool air in around the sides.
I've also found the tips w/ spiral grooves (5 fin Ti) again lets too much cool air in around the tip. All the air needs to pass through the heat matrix in the end of the cap."
ps 9fin SE is spiral so doesn't work, halo and omni does
 
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dude_de

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Not sure why you'd love a too hot to hold stem though.
I don't find it too hot to hold. Sure, the closer your fingers move towards the business end, the hotter it will get. To the point of being too hot to hold. If I keep my fingers between the mouthpiece and the air port, I never find it too hot.

Especially with the Convector with its minimal thermal mass, I can't see how the Revolve could get too hot. I have used my Revolve with Dynavap tips extensively with no problem. Even the Tempest with its relatively huge thermal mass doesn't change that: the "finger area" stays cool enough.
 

TeaCup

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I used my cxl with an old glass revolve stem and it worked like a charm! One thing to check is make sure your o-rings are the only thing on your tip touching the stem
I don't find it too hot to hold. Sure, the closer your fingers move towards the business end, the hotter it will get. To the point of being too hot to hold. If I keep my fingers between the mouthpiece and the air port, I never find it too hot.

Ok, we're all good now!!! Figured out what you were saying @tasticleeze and I'm really kinda loving the heck out of this little thing. Everytime someone would say that using the Anvil or Tempest feels like smoking a joint I never got that same feeling.......but oh boy oh boy, THIS feels like smoking a joint to me!!!! I dig the heck out of this. Thanks guys! I want an other one damnit, lol.
 
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budski

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I would have never thought an electrically 'lit' joint experience was possible yet here we are! I love using the UFO like an electric lighter and in 6 seconds I get a big terpy face melter, every. single. hit! that tastes far better than any top tier flower burnt in paper, even that 1st hit that isn't ashed, IMHO
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after 2yrs of never refilling a lighter I cant even taste what flavor it is if its burning.
 
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BallzMcVinegar

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Instead of buying another dyna tip for a stem I have, I decided to roll the dice on the convector deal they are offering. I even took the plunge on a wand ( been putting that off for a year or so) since the sale price was hard to say no to. Now I need to find out the accessories (better batteries, Batt charger, stands, cases etc. ) for the wand. So I can dial in a portable setup.
 

BallzMcVinegar

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Spent my first night trying to learn the convector Ti. Lots of whispy hits and I combusted twice but the last time I hit the sweet spot and it made me see stars. I have a few things to do today before I can get back to experimenting. I had a dual torch ( Torch-it AMP) that I never used but what is neat about it is the torch is the flames are slightly pointed toward each other so it makes it nice to heat the edge and face of the cap . Im getting better results than with the single flame I use with my dynas. I do like the cap changing colors from the heating of a torch.

I didnt use the factory stem only because I like stems that a little bit longer. I didnt have any trouble with the factory orings and condenser that some seem to have had.

Looking forward to trying a few other configurations like a Jhook/dry bubbler/bong and some other stems later today. Im not quite sure what i did right this last time to get such a dense hit and cant stop thinking about how to recreate it. I do have a wand arriving tomorrow but Id like to mess with a torch a little longer before relying on a wand or rubies quite yet.

So far its been an interesting devise. I took advantage of the "pick your price" offer and paid the same amount I did when I rolled the dice on my first dynavap and now I have like 10-12 of those. So if the convector ends up in rotation then the Convector XL might be a future purchase.
 
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coolbreeze

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Spent my first night trying to learn the convector Ti. Lots of whispy hits and I combusted twice but the last time I hit the sweet spot and it made me see stars. I have a few things to do today before I can get back to experimenting. I had a dual torch ( Torch-it AMP) that I never used but what is neat about it is the torch is the flames are slightly pointed toward each other so it makes it nice to heat the edge and face of the cap . Im getting better results than with the single flame I use with my dynas. I do like the cap changing colors from the heating of a torch.

I didnt use the factory stem only because I like stems that a little bit longer. I didnt have any trouble with the factory orings and condenser that some seem to have had.

Looking forward to trying a few other configurations like a Jhook/dry bubbler/bong and some other stems later today. Im not quite sure what i did right this last time to get such a dense hit and cant stop thinking about how to recreate it. I do have a wand arriving tomorrow but Id like to mess with a torch a little longer before relying on a wand or rubies quite yet.

So far its been an interesting devise. I took advantage of the "pick your price" offer and paid the same amount I did when I rolled the dice on my first dynavap and now I have like 10-12 of those. So if the convector ends up in rotation then the Convector XL might be a future purchase.
The Convector XL is definitely worth having (I think @budski raised the screen in his for smaller loads, fwiw). It's more forgiving so it's easier to use (but needs a slightly stronger torch), and it holds enough for a session, etc.

The smaller convectors take a bit of intuitive learning, but once you have it they're a lot of fun. I set a pocket torch to about .6" or so and aim sort of across the top of the cap on an angle, hitting the top of the sidewall too, until you begin to see orange. You can also aim straight down onto the top until you see some orange. Let it cool for a second or two and then take a few gentle cigar puffs to see where you are. You can add a little more heat if necessary, or let it cool if that's what's needed. It's a combo of heating it appropriately and using breath control to not scorch it and to get an even roast throughout the bowl. It's easier than it sounds, it's just getting a feel for it. Once you do, the roast is fairly even and the flavor's fantastic.
 

BallzMcVinegar

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The Convector XL is definitely worth having (I think @budski raised the screen in his for smaller loads, fwiw). It's more forgiving so it's easier to use (but needs a slightly stronger torch), and it holds enough for a session, etc.

The smaller convectors take a bit of intuitive learning, but once you have it they're a lot of fun. I set a pocket torch to about .6" or so and aim sort of across the top of the cap on an angle, hitting the top of the sidewall too, until you begin to see orange. You can also aim straight down onto the top until you see some orange. Let it cool for a second or two and then take a few gentle cigar puffs to see where you are. You can add a little more heat if necessary, or let it cool if that's what's needed. It's a combo of heating it appropriately and using breath control to not scorch it and to get an even roast throughout the bowl. It's easier than it sounds, it's just getting a feel for it. Once you do, the roast is fairly even and the flavor's fantastic.
It totally gives me terp tongue when I do it right. Ive been using in low light so I can see the heating and adjust accordingly. Ill try the top down heating when I try it on my Jhook w/ dry ash catcher combo. I dont want to muddy the waters trying a bunch of different approaches and setups. Im just going to relax and take my time learning the standard torch and stem for a few days then I will slowly expand from there.

One question for you.

Is this similar to a dyna in that a torch will always provide a better extraction (when done right) than an induction heater or does the wand heat it well enough to match a torch? My wand will be here tomorrow but I dont want jump straight to that without learning how to actually use it manually.
 
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coolbreeze

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It totally gives me terp tongue when I do it right. Ive been using in low light so I can see the heating and adjust accordingly. Ill try the top down heating when I try it on my Jhook w/ dry ash catcher combo. I dont want to muddy the waters trying a bunch of different approaches and setups. Im just going to relax and take my time learning the standard torch and stem for a few days then I will slowly expand from there.

One question for you.

Is this similar to a dyna in that a torch will always provide a better extraction (when done right) than an induction heater or does the wand heat it well enough to match a torch? My wand will be here tomorrow but I dont want jump straight to that without learning how to actually use it manually.
I can't answer that from experience, I've only torched them or used the Inductor. I do prefer the torch, to be honest. Both require a little technique and I'm just more used to torching it. What's nice about the Inductor though is that you can use it like a torch, heating only the top where the plates are to keep it convection leaning (or you can heat the sides & top to add conduction).

I think people do use the wand as their main heater for it. My question would be can you heat it with the wand so that you're still keeping it convection leaning? I assume that some folks prefer the hybrid heating you'd get with a deeper insertion but I wonder what technique you'd use to heat for convection.
 
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Kozzmozz

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After a couple of weeks I can say I absolutely love the convector.

I only have butane vapes, i think i have most of them, and cannot think of a vape that is faster. Brick style might be technically faster but even they need some initial warmup. And don’t microdose as good as the convector.

It pairs so wel with my beloved og vapman, since it is pure convection that i started to love since the sticky brick and lotus. Yet now in a small and discreet form factor.

Love it. I think i will get a second unit. Deserves a spot in travel bag with a spare vapman that i use on the go.

Cheers
 

n0tu2

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I have had the CXL for a while now - started with and mastered that one.. picked up a PB207 torch as well (thanks coolbreeze!) along with the CXL's little brother..the Convector. Finally got around to messing with it last weekend. It also has its own learning curve to get the most out of it - mostly heating times. At first I didn't like it compared to the CXL - whispy hits and some not fully vaped avb on the bottom - was being overly cautious. The bowl is more of a pain cause it's so much smaller.. CXL has a wider bowl and is easy to tap and brush out any remnants. It's also much more weighty and feels solid in the hand compared to the Convector. But after mastering the Convector I like it alot now and put it in rotation.. these guys definitely need practice and once you get it.. you get it.. took about 3 or 4 bowls before I figured it out..

I use a triple torch with the CXL (set to about .75 inch to 1 inch inner blue flames) but the Convector is just a little too small for that spray pattern, needs a more precise single flaming.. so using the PB207 with the blue inner flame about an inch and a half long or so.. it's cranked up high (you could probably do some copper pipe plumbing with it at this setting, lol). Settled around 8-9 seconds from cold/native and 4-5 seconds on subsequent reheats. You can tell when it's just about ready cause the tip starts to glow a little and the torch flame changes color..starts throwing off an orange color near the tip where the blue flame is hitting it. I wouldn't go longer then a second or two from that color change if using it native otherwise the vapor just gets a little roasty. I have an even bigger Stache kitchen/single flame torch which I haven't tried with it yet, but I bet I can get it down to 5 seconds from cold with that one with a stronger flame.

You need to forget everything you know about dynavap style.. this thing wants heat ..... (just the very tip) ...and as strong and as fast as you can possibly supply it. Crank up your torches to max. If you have a vapman or honest torch or a cheap single flame you may have to remove the +/- wheel on the bottom (it pops off) and manually turn the valve up higher with a screwdriver to get that big ass blue inner flame. just be careful opening it up manually like that as it will keep turning/opening up (till u have a blow torch) and eventually it will unscrew and pop out.. and then all the butane will come out, lol (don't want that happening while the flame is lit! boom) - but don't worry,not broken.. just screw it back in a little.. only wasted a tank of fuel (been there, done that fuckin' around) I wouldn't go too crazy over cranking them.. around a 1 or 1.25 inch inner blue flame is enuff.. if it starts spitting and looking like you lit a can of hairspray on fire (flame thrower) you went too far and another turn or two it's going to empty the tank or explode if it's lit when that happens.. (proceed with ⚠️ caution and be sober.. don't adjust flame up with the flame on to be safe)

Off topic... with my pb207 it was a little different.. watched some videos and completely diassembled it about 8 times so far .. re-adjusted the min/max slider flame range to where I like it. also had to clean the injector head in 99% iso cause it was dirty out of the box and was cranked up way too high (don't recommend doing this injector cleaning as it was a bitch to get the injector back in (thought I broke it), just tiny pieces and fidgety.. but it can be done if your patient and good with stuff like that). The min max adjustment is easier but still a pita (after 8 times can do it blind folded now). The little pb207 is great tho.. you can tune it down so min is a little blue inner flame for a vapman (but then max isn't quite enough for the convectors) ..You could go nuts and make the min setting a Convector size blue flame and then max is a 6 inch blow torch flame, lol. If you have it too high tho it chews through butane like crazy. need to tune it to your needs for sure. also side note for the child protected pb207's you can just snap off that silly lift up child thing and it's a normal torch again. but this is all for another thread .. pb207 tips and tricks? 😀
 
I can't answer that from experience, I've only torched them or used the Inductor. I do prefer the torch, to be honest. Both require a little technique and I'm just more used to torching it. What's nice about the Inductor though is that you can use it like a torch, heating only the top where the plates are to keep it convection leaning (or you can heat the sides & top to add conduction).

I think people do use the wand as their main heater for it. My question would be can you heat it with the wand so that you're still keeping it convection leaning? I assume that some folks prefer the hybrid heating you'd get with a deeper insertion but I wonder what technique you'd use to heat for convection.
Hi coolbreeze, you've been a goldmine of info on this forum as an amateur dhv researcher, so thank you! By chance, have you reviewed the inductor anywhere? It looks interesting but I am hesitant to even keep an eye out during April deals.

Between temp(est)ermental wand inserts and tornado flare/wand struggles, I don't want to drop money on electronics and almost walk backwards from the simple beauty of the hot sticks.
 

Texus

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Hi coolbreeze, you've been a goldmine of info on this forum as an amateur dhv researcher, so thank you! By chance, have you reviewed the inductor anywhere? It looks interesting but I am hesitant to even keep an eye out during April deals.

Between temp(est)ermental wand inserts and tornado flare/wand struggles, I don't want to drop money on electronics and almost walk backwards from the simple beauty of the hot sticks.
Oh man, I love my Inductor, and I say that as a Forge owner as well. Both have sold me on high power easily adjustable IHs.

The Inductor is frankly the most versatile IH out there. Zooter is amazing, and never thought I'd be able to use an IH on the Lotus. And makes me especially excited for the Super Capacitor since it can dump loads of energy into that new head very quickly.
 

coolbreeze

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Hi coolbreeze, you've been a goldmine of info on this forum as an amateur dhv researcher, so thank you! By chance, have you reviewed the inductor anywhere? It looks interesting but I am hesitant to even keep an eye out during April deals.

Between temp(est)ermental wand inserts and tornado flare/wand struggles, I don't want to drop money on electronics and almost walk backwards from the simple beauty of the hot sticks.
Oh man, I love my Inductor, and I say that as a Forge owner as well. Both have sold me on high power easily adjustable IHs.

The Inductor is frankly the most versatile IH out there. Zooter is amazing, and never thought I'd be able to use an IH on the Lotus. And makes me especially excited for the Super Capacitor since it can dump loads of energy into that new head very quickly.
I don't think I have reviewed it tbh. I agree with what @Texus says above, it's really versatile, it heats anything. It's not without potential issues, but It's so quick, powerful, and adjustable that I think it's the best option for people who have and rely on multiple inductable vapes. The killer feature obviously is the induction field that's not constrained by a coil's diameter or sensor system--everything 'fits' it and everything is 'seen' by it. The chief downside is shared by other adjustable IHs: you need to figure out (and remember) a bunch of settings if you use a number of different vapes, and some of them require tailoring to use without their indicators. For instance, the Anvil Thermocore clicks way too late in my experience (it's calibrated fine for a torch), a second-counting method per voltage setting would work better. These caveats aside, it's an easy recommendation.
 

budski

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I like the idea of the inductor but I really, really, really don't want to be plugged in to the wall; a cord/tether from a battery maybe, or a good tool battery like the forge.
 

BallzMcVinegar

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Im still getting mixed results with the torch but its getting better. My wand batteries and charger just arrived so in a few days Ill start experimenting with that.

Experimenting with a couple stems. Tried the shellshock stem at first. It worked well enough and did a good job managing the heat but wasnt supposed to be the permanent stem for this. I just havent used it in a while and I like that I can change the mouthpiece ( I have a handful of different ones for this stem)




Then moved it over to this glass stem. This is where it will stay for now. I have a tempest head arriving soon that will need a home but I will most likely order a Dovetail stem for it. So far this stem has been pretty nice for the convector since it doesnt have a carb. Plus I can see the vapor ramp up from whispy, to dense, to combustion. The visual cues have been a great help understanding how it works.

 

UhuM

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That's a nice stem. A nice clear glass stem with an IH really helped me to get the mist of my TI Convector: flavour, lightweight and at least a small chance to notice combustion before inhaling too much.
I've used the Vaphit with an glass helix inside, which produced awesome cooling - but it broke at the too contact points and now I'm using a stainless Vaphit X stem, with glass balls for cooling. Tastewise not the same, a little cooler, but due to the weight a complete different experience/feeling in your hand.
Gona search for another affordable glass helix stem in the future.
 

BallzMcVinegar

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That's a nice stem. A nice clear glass stem with an IH really helped me to get the mist of my TI Convector: flavour, lightweight and at least a small chance to notice combustion before inhaling too much.
Its kinda neat being able to see and feel it going through the stages. I can see it go from white vapor to yellow smoke as well as feel the heat spike. I also stop pulling when it combusts and try to minimize how much smoke is created and taken in.
 
Just got my Convector, cleaned it, and put it together. Cap is stuck on the tip and it won't budge. Any tips on getting the cap to come off?
 
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TigoleBitties

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Just got my Convector, cleaned it, and put it together. Cap is stuck on the tip and it won't budge. Any tips on getting the cap to come off?
I would try prying it off gently with a small screwdriver by manipulating the rounded wavy part of cap. Maybe also try and gently pull, twist or rock it with some pliers?

Stick it in the freezer for 15min?
 
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BallzMcVinegar

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Im starting to really warm up to the convector. Its the only TED that I use a torch on. The glass stem I have it on is perfect for me. Still havent hit the point I can repeat great results every time but its improving every day. I like how fast it gets up to operating temps with a torch. This might have sold me on the Convector XL.
 

Texus

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Im starting to really warm up to the convector. Its the only TED that I use a torch on. The glass stem I have it on is perfect for me. Still havent hit the point I can repeat great results every time but its improving every day. I like how fast it gets up to operating temps with a torch. This might have sold me on the Convector XL.
Do you have a torch you prefer with it?
 
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