Camouflet Ceramo XL

[coolbreeze]

Sounds nice. I'll definitely try it on a dry rig but I'm so curious to see how nice a zirconia bowl might taste on a short-path zirconia stem first. Hoping it'll be terp city.

I know it's not a ball vape but I wonder if the signature will be similar to something like the ZX.

It should be super-clean. I bet when we learn to heat the cap well it will be really, really nice.

 

[b0]

I thought the Tempest had me happy, end-game TED... And Indeed I love it, after like 8 years of only doing concentrates, I'm back at flowers just because of how much I enjoy it. But this Ceramo has really got my attention (vas is back lol)

I just ordered a Ceramo and added a ceramic cooling tube, as I always use some kind of spiral cooling on my TEDs, and thought about trying their cooling system. If not I can always throw a simrell intercoller inside, so all good. Really excited to see how is the flavor in a full ceramic TED + love how fast it seems to heat up.

 

[stonedBBer]

I thought the Tempest had me happy, end-game TED... And Indeed I love it, after like 8 years of only doing concentrates, I'm back at flowers just because of how much I enjoy it. But this Ceramo has really got my attention (vas is back lol)

I just ordered a Ceramo and added a ceramic cooling tube, as I always use some kind of spiral cooling on my TEDs, and thought about trying their cooling system. If not I can always throw a simrell intercoller inside, so all good. Really excited to see how is the flavor in a full ceramic TED + love how fast it seems to heat up.

I'm hyped, OHE with the new cap they are releasing are gonna be terpy and thick af

 

[Texus]

Putting a condenser in seems like it would reduce cooling. It would force the vapor just thru a titanium tube rather than letting the larger surface area of the zirconia inner walls of the stem cool the vapor. And using the ceramic tube also seems like it wouldn't cool as well, because the vapor is exposed to a smaller surface area of ceramic--the inside of the tube, instead of the whole inside of the stem. It seems to me the most cooling addition is going to be adding balls inside the ceramic stem. So a mouthpiece to hold the balls inside, is what I'm envisioning

Ahhh, physics. I am also sold on the cooling offered by the zirconia based on my experience with the Zooter.

think I'll probably use it on a small rig mostly, especially with the new cap. I may need to add a Stinger MP or something for the 10mm joints.

Yeah, I like this approach. I use my Tornado in a dry small 14mm Hickory Glass piece. For the Ceramo XL, I'm thinking my 10mm dry Terplock from Laceface.

Can try to add pics later.

 

[SlickHenry]

I am not convinced that you need any additional cooling. The Ceramo XL is heavily promoted as having no removable and replaceable parts with the simple ceramic stem. That's its major USP so having to add a condenser or cooling pearls takes away from that.

The thing I am most curious about is airflow. The quad bore ceramic condenser on the Convector XL is, to my tastes, spot on in terms of draw natively through the stem. I wonder if the internal diameter of the Ceramo XL is 8mm all the way through or if it narrows to give similar performance to the Convector XL.

Starting to get very excited to be able to find out and experiment. Camouflet really are upsetting the applecart, producing such innovative TEDs.

 

[RedZep]

I am not convinced that you need any additional cooling. The Ceramo XL is heavily promoted as having no removable and replaceable parts with the simple ceramic stem. That's its major USP so having to add a condenser or cooling pearls takes away from that.

The thing I am most curious about is airflow. The quad bore ceramic condenser on the Convector XL is, to my tastes, spot on in terms of draw natively through the stem. I wonder if the internal diameter of the Ceramo XL is 8mm all the way through or if it narrows to give similar performance to the Convector XL.

Starting to get very excited to be able to find out and experiment. Camouflet really are upsetting the applecart, producing such innovative TEDs.

Thinning the internal diameter is not going to make the airflow on the Ceramo even close to analogous with the Ti stem with cooling insert.
That insert adds a hell of a lot of restriction. Also they don't feel the need to add restriction, as they advertise it as having Ultra wide flow. It's almost certain they mean this in comparison with the Ti CXL.

I personally find adding a load of restriction to a wide shallow heater/bowl is destroying one of the main advantages of that heater design.

 

[Texus]

I personally find adding a load of restriction to a wide shallow heater/bowl is destroying one of the main advantages of that heater design.

And "personally" is the crucial word here. I find that airflow is very much a personal preference thing.

For some folks, logs are the greatest design ever. For others, a log that others love is criticized as "Sipping a milkshake thru a straw" due to its level of restriction. On the other hand, some folks are fans of wide open airflow and rocking big ole 18mm joints. But others find they want denser, milkier vapor than what wide open airflow can provide.

And while possible to increase resistance in various ways, it is much more difficult to reduce it without more major changes (other than tamping down the flower more).

 

[SlickHenry]

Thinning the internal diameter is not going to make the airflow on the Ceramo even close to analogous with the Ti stem with cooling insert.
That insert adds a hell of a lot of restriction. Also they don't feel the need to add restriction, as they advertise it as having Ultra wide flow. It's almost certain they mean this in comparison with the Ti CXL.

I personally find adding a load of restriction to a wide shallow heater/bowl is destroying one of the main advantages of that heater design.

I didn't spot that it was marketed as having "ultra low draw resistance" whereas the CXL quadbore is said to have "high flow". Anyway, we are all heavily speculating based on some marketing copy.

If I recall correctly you didn't get on well with the flow of the CXL. At the end of the day it comes down to personal preference and how you are planning to use the vape. If it does differ significantly it's good that they are releasing products to cover all bases.

 

[RedZep]

And "personally" is the crucial word here. I find that airflow is very much a personal preference thing.

For some folks, logs are the greatest design ever. For others, a log that others love is criticized as "Sipping a milkshake thru a straw" due to its level of restriction. On the other hand, some folks are fans of wide open airflow and rocking big ole 18mm joints. But others find they want denser, milkier vapor than what wide open airflow can provide.

And while possible to increase resistance in various ways, it is much more difficult to reduce it without more major changes (other than tamping down the flower more).

Full agreement. I always try to specify when I'm saying something subjective. I'm sure I forget sometimes though.

 

[b0]

Ended adding one of the new caps to the order as I'm gonna be mainly using it with the wand at home, and I feel I will regret if not.

I'll keep the regular XL cap for torching when out and about, with that fast heat up it has.

 

[stonedBBer]

Manufacturer isnt saying when it will ship or even if it will ship on time in February per their website. Seeming sus

 

[SlickHenry]

Manufacturer isnt saying when it will ship or even if it will ship on time in February per their website. Seeming sus

My understanding was that late February was an estimated shipping date. It is clearly stated on the site. Not sure what there is to be suspicious about.

 

[Camouflet]

Hi everyone,

Rest assured, we're just as eager to start shipping the new products as customers are to receive them, so we're doing everything in our capacity to keep things moving forward in a timely manner. There are many factors at play, shipping times from the factory, customs/importing, etc. We will be sending out an email blast to all pre-order customers shortly with updates. Camouflet has already done successful pre-orders and everyone will be receiving their orders.

 

[stonedBBer]

My understanding was that late February was an estimated shipping date. It is clearly stated on the site. Not sure what there is to be suspicious about.

Multiple delays on both the ceramo and the super capacitor.
A whole bunch of drama regarding them hiring a known scammer .
Check out the ent exchange vape talk thread.

 

[alex91]

Multiple delays on both the ceramo and the super capacitor.
A whole bunch of drama regarding them hiring a known scammer .
Check out the ent exchange vape talk thread.

If it was estimated to ship at the end of February and we still have this week to go until the month ends, how come do you affirm there have been multiple delays?

I gotta be honest, although I don’t agree with whatever that employee did in the past, I think some of you are being over dramatic about it. I think at this point is fair to say Camouflet is a legit company and it’s safe to assume they will ship the Ceramo in the next few weeks at least.

 

[stonedBBer]

If it was estimated to ship at the end of February and we still have this week to go until the month ends, how do come you affirm there have been multiple delays?

I gotta be honest, although I don’t agree with whatever that employee did in the past, I think some of you are being over dramatic about it. I think at this point is fair to say Camouflet is a legit company and it’s safe to assume they will ship the Ceramo in the next few weeks at least.

He emailed me saying he doesn't know ow when the ceramo will.ship.
2nd delay is in super capacitor.
Also they took months to send bangers to people from the black Friday deal.
Thus multiple delays across multiple products
When called out he was rude and sarcastic.

Camouflet is going to rerelease the hopper but slightly different with a new name but same scammer engineer involved

 

[Dejavu]

He emailed me saying he doesn't know ow when the ceramo will.ship.
2nd delay is in super capacitor.
Also they took months to send bangers to people from the black Friday deal.
Thus multiple delays across multiple products
When called out he was rude and sarcastic.

Camouflet is going to rerelease the hopper but slightly different with a new name but same scammer engineer involved

He has a sale goin on, $15 to try out one of his tubes. I almost grabbed one and said eh, I only buy from a few companies and putting my trust in that they aren't using false advertising on the metals.

He was in sneakypetes stream a bit the past month, he isn't too busy it seems?

 

[alex91]

He emailed me saying he doesn't know ow when the ceramo will.ship.
2nd delay is in super capacitor.
Also they took months to send bangers to people from the black Friday deal.
Thus multiple delays across multiple products
When called out he was rude and sarcastic.

Camouflet is going to rerelease the hopper but slightly different with a new name but same scammer engineer involved

“He emailed me saying he doesn't know ow when the ceramo will.ship.
2nd delay is in super capacitor.”

I can understand this, after all, it’s still not the end of the month and, for a company’s perspective, it is hard to give accurate dates as delays (remember, it’s an estimated date) can happen and sometimes they have no control over it. Remember: technically, there are no delays until February ends. And, again, it’s an estimated date. Although I’d say that if we don’t get it shipped until the 2nd week of March, then we could maybe start being concerned.

“Also they took months to send bangers to people from the black Friday deal.”

This I agree. It’s unacceptable and they should have at least partially refunded the affected customers or sent some free gifts for the trouble.

“Camouflet is going to rerelease the hopper but slightly different with a new name but same scammer engineer involved”

This is a totally different topic. Even then, there might be more than one engineer involved. Also, some people learn from their mistakes and actually improve their devices (I’m talking about the Grasshopper technical issues only and not how he handled the customers that were left without the product).

I am not trying to defend Camouflet in any way. I am just trying to be reasonable and not taken over by emotions and to understand the facts we have right now.

 

[stonedBBer]

“He emailed me saying he doesn't know ow when the ceramo will.ship.
2nd delay is in super capacitor.”

I can understand this, after all, it’s still not the end of the month and, for a company’s perspective, it is hard to give accurate dates as delays (remember, it’s an estimated date) can happen and sometimes they have no control over it. Remember: technically, there are no delays until February ends. And, again, it’s an estimated date. Although I’d say that if we don’t get it shipped until the 2nd week of March, then we could maybe start being concerned.

“Also they took months to send bangers to people from the black Friday deal.”

This I agree. It’s unacceptable and they should have at least partially refunded the affected customers or sent some free gifts for the trouble.

“Camouflet is going to rerelease the hopper but slightly different with a new name but same scammer engineer involved”

This is a totally different topic. Even then, there might be more than one engineer involved. Also, some people learn from their mistakes and actually improve their devices (I’m talking about the Grasshopper technical issues only and not how he handled the customers that were left without the product).

I am not trying to defend Camouflet in any way. I am just trying to be reasonable and not taken over by emotions and to understand the facts we have right now.

They completely ignored the idea of a coupon code multiple times.

Per their DM
"The Super Capacitor is scheduled to arrive at the warehouse early March and the Ceramo XL is taking longer than anticipated due to factory refinements and we will provide an updated ETA when we hear back from the factory. This information will be provided in the email blast to all pre-order customers. We understand that the added delays are frustrating for customers. We are doing everything in our capability to keep things moving forward as fast as possible. If you would like a refund please email us and we will issue a refund. If you would prefer to wait, we appreciate your patience and understanding. Thanks!"

The language used would suggest they have no clue when tjr Ceramo will actually be ready , also if they know the capacitor is in early March (at best I'd trust them as far as I can throw them after the debacle with shipping previously ) and no mention of early March TO ME that reads as we have no clue when Ceramo is ready

 

[alex91]

They completely ignored the idea of a coupon code multiple times.

Per their DM
"The Super Capacitor is scheduled to arrive at the warehouse early March and the Ceramo XL is taking longer than anticipated due to factory refinements and we will provide an updated ETA when we hear back from the factory. This information will be provided in the email blast to all pre-order customers. We understand that the added delays are frustrating for customers. We are doing everything in our capability to keep things moving forward as fast as possible. If you would like a refund please email us and we will issue a refund. If you would prefer to wait, we appreciate your patience and understanding. Thanks!"

The language used would suggest they have no clue when tjr Ceramo will actually be ready , also if they know the capacitor is in early March (at best I'd trust them as far as I can throw them after the debacle with shipping previously ) and no mention of early March TO ME that reads as we have no clue when Ceramo is ready

Frustrating, I agree. However, I don’t see it as a big issue if they’re apologizing and offering a full refund. Again, yes, it sucks, but it would not be fair to say it’s a scammy movie in any way, because scammers don’t offer refunds and just take your money and make excuses.

 

[stonedBBer]

Frustrating, I agree. However, I don’t see it as a big issue if they’re apologizing and offering a full refund. Again, yes, it sucks, but it would not be fair to say it’s a scammy movie in any way, because scammers don’t offer refunds and just take your money and make excuses.

Another person on discord made a claim i can't back up , but they claim they were told no refunds for a different but similar issue.

My claim was that it's suspicious, not that it is a scam.

I said they hired a known scammer and their were questions about how involved in the company Trevor is, his name came up when camouflet sent funds to someone else iirc.
I don't think it's really contested that Trevor of the Hopper vape company was a fraud.
It's highly concerning he is at camouflet and that they may be releasing a product he worked on that others have pointed out strongly resembled the shape and aesthetic of the hopper. I think regardless of the new device they have in development, just having trevor there and with access to their funds is worthy of letting people know about .
People have gotten upset at me on discord and on the tornado thread here at FC but I don't see the problem in holding companies that take our money accountable and holding them to the same standard I would any other business that isn't involved in the cannabis industry.

Not to say you have been accusatory in any way (:
Just want to dismantle that argument as I know someone will probably come running to camouflets defense saying I'm overreacting.

Despite their reaction I'd still buy the product once I know it's finished and ready if they will honor the pre order price

 

[Texus]

That's the thing about pre-orders an pre-order prices. Those savings are in exchange for buying sight unseen and with the known possibility of delays since product is not in hand. If that isn't something you are comfortable with, prob better to wait and pay MSRP.

Also, Camouflet has been hit by the nasty bugs going around which has slowed them up. So let's wish them a quick recovery!

 

[Eloh]

That's the thing about pre-orders an pre-order prices. Those savings are in exchange for buying sight unseen and with the known possibility of delays since product is not in hand. If that isn't something you are comfortable with, prob better to wait and pay MSRP.

Also, Camouflet has been hit by the nasty bugs going around which has slowed them up. So let's wish them a quick recovery!

I agree that this is not necessarily a black and white issue, and me personally, i dont have a problem to wait a month longer or so...

...but they did take and still take preorders for a shipping date they know for a fact they cant keep. so this is at least a bit dishonest.
it would have taken a minute to change the estimated shipping date.

 

[alex91]

Another person on discord made a claim i can't back up , but they claim they were told no refunds for a different but similar issue.

My claim was that it's suspicious, not that it is a scam.

I said they hired a known scammer and their were questions about how involved in the company Trevor is, his name came up when camouflet sent funds to someone else iirc.
I don't think it's really contested that Trevor of the Hopper vape company was a fraud.
It's highly concerning he is at camouflet and that they may be releasing a product he worked on that others have pointed out strongly resembled the shape and aesthetic of the hopper. I think regardless of the new device they have in development, just having trevor there and with access to their funds is worthy of letting people know about .
People have gotten upset at me on discord and on the tornado thread here at FC but I don't see the problem in holding companies that take our money accountable and holding them to the same standard I would any other business that isn't involved in the cannabis industry.

Not to say you have been accusatory in any way (:
Just want to dismantle that argument as I know someone will probably come running to camouflets defense saying I'm overreacting.

Despite their reaction I'd still buy the product once I know it's finished and ready if they will honor the pre order price

You’re totally right to question the bad Black Friday experience you had with them. I also agree that having the former Grasshopper employee in their team, after he was not held accountable for any of the events that happened at his former company, is concerning. To have him sell and make products to the same community he had previously taken advantage of, only to then not honor anything he promised, is not a good sign. I’d say it’s unethical on Camouflet's part to employ him. You’re not overreacting.

The only point I’d say that you probably don’t have to worry about is the Ceramo and cap. I’m sure they’ll be delivered, even if a small delay happens.

 

[zeebudz]

I really hope this thread doesn't turn into what the discord has become with a few people screaming and pissed off already. Some of them sound like the type of customers that nobody wants to have.