Gear Best Clearo for Pure Gold?

[zebra]

Thanks GLD! Do you happen to know if he is using pure gold successfully in them? It's all I have access to out here in NYC... Also it's my concentrate of choice. Any leakage, burning taste, or waste issues? I will let you know if I find any success as well brother!

talked to him going to buy couple of these they are definitely intriguing to me... Will report back!

 

[215z]

I've been following this thread from the beginning, sad to see how much $$$ people throw down on such garbage

 

[zebra]

I've been following this thread from the beginning, sad to see how much $$$ people throw down on such garbage

What's garbage the carts? The pure gold? Got any suggestions or constructive criticism?

 

[215z]

The carts are garbage. Do you see any nicotine addicts in 2015 vaping off plastic shit? We deserve better, if at least not the same... crazy that people today are spending hard earned $$$ on long-obsolete ecig tech.

 

[zebra]

I've been following this thread from the beginning, sad to see how much $$$ people throw down on such garbage

The carts are garbage. Do you see any nicotine addicts in 2015 vaping off plastic shit? We deserve better, if at least not the same... crazy that people today are spending hard earned $$$ on long-obsolete ecig tech.

lol hey brother I'm all for better carts but the top of the line stuff just isn't designed for MJ oil. Yet. That's why i wont purchase anything pricier than disposables at the moment because no matter what kind of rig we set up for MJ oil it will never be perfect until, surprise surprise, a real deal manufacturer starts turning out MJ oil carts that are R&D'd and tested like the nic carts are. Obviously we are a long way from that (global legalization). If nicotine were still illegal in 99.9% of all markets believe me the chinese wouldn't be investing capital in making nic carts, but as we all know that isn't the case (at least not with nic).

But in general I agree with you man... We gotta take what we can get, which for right now is substandard shit.

 

[zebra]

I mean I can now confirm that the older style bud 510 carts I got from somebody with great ratings on Ebay were pure unadulterated shit. Leaked and gurgled upon fucking filling the thing.... waiting for madvapes RBC to come back in clear so I can see what the fuck I am doing with my 100 dollar a gram concentrates. Just fucking bummed I can't find any of the old sapphires any more. Gotvapes fucked up man those things had a following and they stupidly fucked with the recipe.... so frustrated if you couldn't tell... back on the hunt for more fucking garbage from ebay thanks Gotvapes for understanding supply and demand!

 

[MaxVapor]

Here in LA they now sell pre-filled Pure Gold carts for the same price as the ampule. The carts seem like shorter versions of the old got vapes sapphires. I have gone through half a dozen of these pre-fills with no leaks or other issues.

 

[zebra]

Here in LA they now sell pre-filled Pure Gold carts for the same price as the ampule. The carts seem like shorter versions of the old got vapes sapphires. I have gone through half a dozen of these pre-fills with no leaks or other issues.

I wish I could get those in NY but alas my sources can only get what they get. That being said my guy does offer the carts but they are nearly twice as expensive as an ampule so I'm not sure what's going on there. Is the cart a gram of uncut pure gold or do they add Glycols or something? Do you have a photo of the pre filled pure gold cart that you can share perhaps? Or even better one that you've finished?

 

[Nube Scrutator]

@zebra, Tetra Labs Goldcart (from their website): "To formulate the ingredients, we mix approximately 75% PureGold with 25% highly refined fruit extracts for four flavors and better wick-ability. GoldCarts contain no polyethylene glycol or propylene glycol." https://ca.tetralabs.com/gold_pens/

Goldcarts are usually 1g, ampule's are .5g, so different price. Currently they offer a .5g cart too.

 

[zebra]

@zebra, Tetra Labs Goldcart (from their website): "To formulate the ingredients, we mix approximately 75% PureGold with 25% highly refined fruit extracts for four flavors and better wick-ability. GoldCarts contain no polyethylene glycol or propylene glycol." https://ca.tetralabs.com/gold_pens/

Goldcarts are usually 1g, ampule's are .5g, so different price. Currently they offer a .5g cart too.

Very interesting indeed.... I've seen some of their crazy looking flavors but I like the regular old classic myself... and those do indeed look like regular old BUD 510 (can't see the wick but can you confirm there is a tiny wick on bottom?, also if there is a fill cap under the black mouthpiece - what color that little plug may be?) they must have some kind of deal directly with the manufacturer... can't even find very many 1g/1ml BUD 510 empties any more... only on Ebay and that's the wild west. Interesting that they cut it, as I have used the ampules directly in the old Sapphire branded BUD 510's from GotVapes with amazing results, completely uncut. Ampule right into the carto per @Haywood who started us all on this goose chase.... I wonder if I just reached right out to Tetra and asked who supplied their carts and pens if they'd tell me... probably not but I'm going to try... will report back!!

 

[GuyLeDuche]

Interesting that they cut it, as I have used the ampules directly in the old Sapphire branded BUD 510's from GotVapes with amazing results, completely uncut.

I'm guessing it's purely economic. From their website "GoldCarts come in two sizes: a longer 1.0g cartridge with 500mg THC or a shorter 0.5g one with 250mg THC. Both sizes are available in four flavors: Classic, Pineapple, Crème Brulee and Spearmint."
IMO the cut is to bulk up the carts, no one wants to pay full price for .5 and .25 carts uncut lol. In that pic the carts look kind of different, some kind of center tube or chamber?

 

[zebra]

I'm guessing it's purely economic. From their website "GoldCarts come in two sizes: a longer 1.0g cartridge with 500mg THC or a shorter 0.5g one with 250mg THC. Both sizes are available in four flavors: Classic, Pineapple, Crème Brulee and Spearmint."
IMO the cut is to bulk up the carts, no one wants to pay full price for .5 and .25 carts uncut lol. In that pic the carts look kind of different, some kind of center tube or chamber?

Nah you can see the air chamber clearly in the left pick when zooming in. You can see the line that divides the air slot from the rest, it is pretty much exactly a BUD510 cart. I guess cutting it makes some sense economically but whatever they use to cut cost some money as does the process of cutting it, so I wonder how much in the black they really end up? Just so outrageously insanely frustrating dealing with people peddling garbage. Every company lies about their "proprietary" this or that, it's all e-cig garbage from China. Contacted tetra directly and had them explain to me why they cut. They seemed to think the regular pure gold ampule doesn't work in carts and I had to tell them about my numerous experiences to the contrary (until recently). So either that dude is lying (which wouldn't shock me), is clueless (what I happen to think about 99% of every-fucking-body in this concentrate business), or was just spouting company lines off a cue card, similar to a telemarketer.

Again being in new york i cannot afford to fuck around with this stuff it gets so expensive so quickly im about to start combusting again out of fucking necessity. You go to a "vapor shop" in NY and they have to pretend like you aren't asking about concentrates, it's very difficult to have a grown up fucking conversation about this technology... i am in full fuck the world mode right now honestly...

@zebra, Tetra Labs Goldcart (from their website): "To formulate the ingredients, we mix approximately 75% PureGold with 25% highly refined fruit extracts for four flavors and better wick-ability. GoldCarts contain no polyethylene glycol or propylene glycol." https://ca.tetralabs.com/gold_pens/

Goldcarts are usually 1g, ampule's are .5g, so different price. Currently they offer a .5g cart too.

just wanted to get it straight from the horses mouth, does that have a center air chamber or is it chambered on one of the sides? Is there a little rubber fill plug when you pop that little black mouthpiece off?

 

[GuyLeDuche]

Just wants to drop off this link, these are the exact ones I use atm except they seem to have very large intake holes on the atomizer
https://www.misthub.com/product/smoktech-e-slim-bottom-coil-clearomizer/
They work fairly well, not huge hitters but you can stack 2-3 small hits. They do have a very open draw, so with more oil feeding thru bigger intakes it seems like a winner... I'll be ordering up a few I think.

 

[Dramma Lamma]

lol hey brother I'm all for better carts but the top of the line stuff just isn't designed for MJ oil. Yet. That's why i wont purchase anything pricier than disposables at the moment because no matter what kind of rig we set up for MJ oil it will never be perfect until, surprise surprise, a real deal manufacturer starts turning out MJ oil carts that are R&D'd and tested like the nic carts are. Obviously we are a long way from that (global legalization). If nicotine were still illegal in 99.9% of all markets believe me the Chinese wouldn't be investing capital in making nic carts, but as we all know that isn't the case (at least not with nic).

But in general I agree with you man... We gotta take what we can get, which for right now is substandard shit.

Except for, you don't.
Simply stop buying it if it's so bad.
There are a ton of great rebuild-able or re-usable devices on the market but based on convince you are pigeonholing yourself into pre-made disposable junk.


If the market had any real pressure to change it would consider doing just that.
But since you all just gladly buy it out of convenience you get just that, a sub par but convenient device.


The fact that this market is on ANY level accepting of a concentrate being purposely diluted just for convince sake on the wick, shows that people in this market accept shit they should not IMHO. Only recently have enough people in the industry been asking for, that we now have un-adulterated pure concentrate cartridges pre-filled in high competition, because guess what? People stopped buying the diluted counterpart on the shelf.


That's the exact point @215z is trying to make.
Man up and do what most serious nicotine vapers do, make or obtain a good re-usable rebuild-able device and put concentrate(or nicotine juice in their case) into it yourself.

 

[GuyLeDuche]

IDK about anyone else, but I'm getting tired of all this BS about how we suck for wanting a small disposable. I really don't care if you see the logic, it's for me not you. I already wasted tons of cash on "good re-usable" gear and it was all leaky shit that needed daily atty maintenance. Not really practical for medical users on a tight budget. I'm just trying to get to a liquid tank I can medicate on the go with. If that offends your sensibilities then please don't read these topics lol.

 

[MaxVapor]

Hmm, surprised to hear that tetra cuts the product in their prefills. I won't be buying any more of those. The last time I picked up some prefilled co2 (no added flavorings) carts due to the price difference. The co2 have a somewhat different effect to the PG, but works for me.

Maybe I am just lucky, but out of all my sapphires that I filled myself (20+) and othe prefilled I have got (only 6 at this point)only 1 has ever leaked. I agree that those not interested are not being forced to read this thread.

@zebra the tetra prefilled carts I got load from the top, they have a little clear plug (not blue) under the mouthpiece, and a side chamber the vapor travels through up to the mouthpiece.

 

[Dramma Lamma]

Not really practical for medical users on a tight budget. I'm just trying to get to a liquid tank I can medicate on the go with. If that offends your sensibilities then please don't read these topics lol.

And why do you feel the need to use a liquid device for something that's not really a liquid in the first place? That's what boggles the mind here, the whole medicinal values are getting tossed to the wayside in favor of convince.

Kinda how I FUCKING despise the whole edible market, in reality a tincture is far more legitimate medicine than 99% of the edibles on the market. But nope people want it to be a sweet candy or chocolate or some other shit, once again true medicinal value is getting tossed to the side in favor of taste and marketability.

Imagine if you had to go to the pharmacy to get an antibiotic, but instead of the pharmacist giving you a pill container with dosing instructions. You get confronted with a fucking wall of candy bars drinks and other actually unhealthy food laced with varying levels of the antibiotic all with their own individual perceptions of what a "dose" is would you dare call that medicine? Because that's exactly what the "edible medical marijuana" industry looks like here out west for the most part.

Let's be real here medicinal patients man up and do things like make themselves bleed to measure their insulin levels to keep their diabetes in check. They also do things like cram painful catheters in themselves day in and day out, or carry colostomy bags around with them. So claiming it's not convenient, thus its not effective medicine is essentially the weakest argument you could make.

People who want to get high on tasty food, (or flavored vapor) are also there in the exact same store buying the exact same goods as true medicinal patients here. So the sad reality is the market has little to no pressure to change.

If you want the market to ever change, use your dollar elsewhere.
Wal-Mart no longer carries hormone treated milk, why? Not because some opinionated person such as I stood on a box and cried bloody murder. But because people stopped buying it, go figure. So long as these pre-filled cartridges fly off the shelves faster than good bud or wax we will sell them, it's just that simple.

When a brand new MMJ patient comes to my shop and asks "what about vaporizers" I always let them know dry herb vaporizers are truly the way to go, you get so much control and choice in herbs to use. But when I tell them "you have to go research and find the right device for your needs." Many of them just then instantly give up, resort to the convince of pre-filled disposables, because all you gotta do is charge it and inhale.

Some of said customers then quickly wind up in a point where they are for a lack of a better word addicted to them, and then see anything that's not in a little cartridge to be a drug, not medicine. The even more sad reality of it all is some if not THE most fucking intelligent people who I have ever met are these shoppers. They have let the stigma of flower = recreational drug get to them, and now see anything NOT in those type of devices to have no medicinal value.

So yeah, you're god damn right I'm jaded about these fucking things. But I bet if part of your job description was to describe and make people happy with said piece of shit cartridges, then I bet you would be also.

/rant over please take nothing I said personally, I did just need to vent some frustration there.

 

[zebra]

Except for, you don't.
Simply stop buying it if it's so bad.
There are a ton of great rebuild-able or re-usable devices on the market but based on convince you are pigeonholing yourself into pre-made disposable junk.


If the market had any real pressure to change it would consider doing just that.
But since you all just gladly buy it out of convenience you get just that, a sub par but convenient device.


The fact that this market is on ANY level accepting of a concentrate being purposely diluted just for convince sake on the wick, shows that people in this market accept shit they should not IMHO. Only recently have enough people in the industry been asking for, that we now have un-adulterated pure concentrate cartridges pre-filled in high competition, because guess what? People stopped buying the diluted counterpart on the shelf.


That's the exact point @215z is trying to make.
Man up and do what most serious nicotine vapers do, make or obtain a good re-usable rebuild-able device and put concentrate(or nicotine juice in their case) into it yourself.

learn to spell convenience and I'll consider your point asshole

Hmm, surprised to hear that tetra cuts the product in their prefills. I won't be buying any more of those. The last time I picked up some prefilled co2 (no added flavorings) carts due to the price difference. The co2 have a somewhat different effect to the PG, but works for me.

Maybe I am just lucky, but out of all my sapphires that I filled myself (20+) and othe prefilled I have got (only 6 at this point)only 1 has ever leaked. I agree that those not interested are not being forced to read this thread.

@zebra the tetra prefilled carts I got load from the top, they have a little clear plug (not blue) under the mouthpiece, and a side chamber the vapor travels through up to the mouthpiece.

Thank you for info. Are the attys you are talking about branded sapphires or generic bud510? Branded come from gotvapes for sapphires specifically but other shops have other names for their "house label" bud510. O.pen uses it, tetra uses it, they all just brand it differently. I'm trying to find which manufacturer Tetra uses since they likely worked with them on the wick etc. specifically with Pure Gold in mind...

And why do you feel the need to use a liquid device for something that's not really a liquid in the first place? That's what boggles the mind here, the whole medicinal values are getting tossed to the wayside in favor of convince.

Kinda how I FUCKING despise the whole edible market, in reality a tincture is far more legitimate medicine than 99% of the edibles on the market. But nope people want it to be a sweet candy or chocolate or some other shit, once again true medicinal value is getting tossed to the side in favor of taste and marketability.

Imagine if you had to go to the pharmacy to get an antibiotic, but instead of the pharmacist giving you a pill container with dosing instructions. You get confronted with a fucking wall of candy bars drinks and other actually unhealthy food laced with varying levels of the antibiotic all with their own individual perceptions of what a "dose" is would you dare call that medicine? Because that's exactly what the "edible medical marijuana" industry looks like here out west for the most part.

Let's be real here medicinal patients man up and do things like make themselves bleed to measure their insulin levels to keep their diabetes in check. They also do things like cram painful catheters in themselves day in and day out, or carry colostomy bags around with them. So claiming it's not convenient, thus its not effective medicine is essentially the weakest argument you could make.

People who want to get high on tasty food, (or flavored vapor) are also there in the exact same store buying the exact same goods as true medicinal patients here. So the sad reality is the market has little to no pressure to change.

If you want the market to ever change, use your dollar elsewhere.
Wal-Mart no longer carries hormone treated milk, why? Not because some opinionated person such as I stood on a box and cried bloody murder. But because people stopped buying it, go figure. So long as these pre-filled cartridges fly off the shelves faster than good bud or wax we will sell them, it's just that simple.

When a brand new MMJ patient comes to my shop and asks "what about vaporizers" I always let them know dry herb vaporizers are truly the way to go, you get so much control and choice in herbs to use. But when I tell them "you have to go research and find the right device for your needs." Many of them just then instantly give up, resort to the convince of pre-filled disposables, because all you gotta do is charge it and inhale.

Some of said customers then quickly wind up in a point where they are for a lack of a better word addicted to them, and then see anything that's not in a little cartridge to be a drug, not medicine. The even more sad reality of it all is some if not THE most fucking intelligent people who I have ever met are these shoppers. They have let the stigma of flower = recreational drug get to them, and now see anything NOT in those type of devices to have no medicinal value.

So yeah, you're god damn right I'm jaded about these fucking things. But I bet if part of your job description was to describe and make people happy with said piece of shit cartridges, then I bet you would be also.

/rant over please take nothing I said personally, I did just need to vent some frustration there.

dude don't project all this shit onto me or anybody else in this forum. I wish I had access to a dispensary. I am making due with what I can and will not be bullied by your ridiculous fucking assertions that whatever I spend my (black market illegal) money on will have any impact on the legitimate market 3000+ miles away. Go take an economics course. This isn't the fucking butterfly effect.

All I can do is try to ask questions and get info so I can make a more informed decision with my money, but as my options are extremely limited I don't need people like you making me feel like shit for only being able to get what I can get. It's utterly ridiculous. If you want to actually help people get medicated or high or actually take your advice on anything, try not to be such a condescending prick.

What I'm saying is, don't be so dismissive and maybe people won't respond to you the way that they do... You think your frustrated? Try asking a question about best stuff you can buy in NYC and get shit from some spoiled legal-state sanctimonious ass about how your setting the whole movement back... Just out of line and wrong. Rant over.

 

[Dramma Lamma]

learn to spell convenience and I'll consider your point asshole

dude don't project all this shit onto me or anybody else in this forum. I wish I had access to a dispensary. I am making due with what I can and will not be bullied by your ridiculous fucking assertions that whatever I spend my (black market illegal) money on will have any impact on the legitimate market 3000+ miles away. Go take an economics course. This isn't the fucking butterfly effect.

All I can do is try to ask questions and get info so I can make a more informed decision with my money, but as my options are extremely limited I don't need people like you making me feel like shit for only being able to get what I can get. It's utterly ridiculous. If you want to actually help people get medicated or high or actually take your advice on anything, try not to be such a condescending prick.

What I'm saying is, don't be so dismissive and maybe people won't respond to you the way that they do... You think your frustrated? Try asking a question about best stuff you can buy in NYC and get shit from some spoiled legal-state sanctimonious ass about how your setting the whole movement back... Just out of line and wrong. Rant over.

Whoa, I thought the title and point of this thread was "best" not "best shit you find on the NYC black market." I guess you got me there....

But touché man, great job you really have a knack for having no real counter argument but getting all condescending about a spelling /grammatical error, top notch internet discussion there.

Also I'd like to point out my post ends in a large underlined message asking you to not take it personally, yet bam 2 hours later you derp on in and manage to take it personally.

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[GuyLeDuche]

I see no constructive value in the above post, can we please stay on topic?

 

[momofthegoons]

@Dramma Lamma Your post does nothing but perpetuate the issue. If you two want to continue this discussion of yours, take it to pm or risk warning points.

 

[zebra]

Please feel free to hit me up about any of this pure go

Just wants to drop off this link, these are the exact ones I use atm except they seem to have very large intake holes on the atomizer
https://www.misthub.com/product/smoktech-e-slim-bottom-coil-clearomizer/
They work fairly well, not huge hitters but you can stack 2-3 small hits. They do have a very open draw, so with more oil feeding thru bigger intakes it seems like a winner... I'll be ordering up a few I think.

Those look really interesting. I don't get to use a ton of dispensary "house label" stuff, but often when I get to travel out to CA and meet up with a buddy and he has a vape cart from a dispensary preloaded with CO2, they look like these carts...... I know people in CA are one step ahead of us here in NYC, if the dispensaries are using them they must be pretty good. And for that price you kind of can't go wrong I guess giving it a try right? My only question would be re: the ohms - the sapphires had been 2.2-2.4, whereas these appear to be 1.8, I am not even sure how resistance effects anything or what it means practically, but do you think that may be problematic? In the replacement coils for this atty you can select 2.4 ohms however... sorry if this is elementary but what does that mean exactly, and for pure gold is lower or higher resistance better??

Also the oil that was in the one I tried (my buddy's from CA) was so fucking thick it was nearly wax, and it still hit very well and with good flavor (lemon haze).....we may have a winner here....

 

[GuyLeDuche]

Yea I'm no expert on the tech stuff either lol. As I understand the lower ohm stuff is what the cloud chasers use to get the big power, so I always assumed you want to get as low as your battery can support? I generally get 1.8-2.0ohm stuff, using variable voltage ego batteries in the 3.8-4.3 range. Take all this in thru the filter that I may be an idiot lol.
My local dispensary started carrying a new prestige brand pre-filled with what looks like the same tank:
https://instagram.com/p/188g6ak5pJ/?taken-by=haveaheart_Monroe
I say "prestige" because it's a $70 gram, when the average even for pure co2 is $40. May be a good sign for the tank design? I actually tried to order some and a few replacement coils thru that link I posted, but there was some issue with my address not matching my banks file? Never happened before in my life since I had CompuServe email lol, so that was a bit odd... Maybe I'll see if they are sold elsewhere...

 

[zebra]

Yea I'm no expert on the tech stuff either lol. As I understand the lower ohm stuff is what the cloud chasers use to get the big power, so I always assumed you want to get as low as your battery can support? I generally get 1.8-2.0ohm stuff, using variable voltage ego batteries in the 3.8-4.3 range. Take all this in thru the filter that I may be an idiot lol.
My local dispensary started carrying a new prestige brand pre-filled with what looks like the same tank:
https://instagram.com/p/188g6ak5pJ/?taken-by=haveaheart_Monroe
I say "prestige" because it's a $70 gram, when the average even for pure co2 is $40. May be a good sign for the tank design? I actually tried to order some and a few replacement coils thru that link I posted, but there was some issue with my address not matching my banks file? Never happened before in my life since I had CompuServe email lol, so that was a bit odd... Maybe I'll see if they are sold elsewhere...

cool brotha definitely glad to hear that they are putting their high end stuff in these carts gotta be a good sign! please keep me posted on if you find better link or they figure out what the error was with your bank, would suck if this company were scammers in some way, they have such an upscale looking site...

 

[Flight of Fists]

been following this thread for a while...Zebra, I feel your pain my friend, I live right outside of nyc.

looks like tetra labs is using a new clearo.