Best cartridges for distillate

[ChaiLifeOR]

he said distillate and CO2 were decarbed during the process which is 100% correct. You went on a whole tangent based on misreading what he wrote. He said nothing about BHO. They also say DO NOT EAT as a warning, nothing more.

I disagree that it’s put there as a warning.

At least in Oregon, BHO has fallen heavily out of favor in the last year or so. Almost everyone other than a couple of well known(and almost universally disliked, one just had 2 of their strains recalled last week because they had sulphur through the roof, took the lab down with them) budget brands(think $16-20/g) use CO2, or at worst propane(still better than butane, which is itself fine, in the right hands.)

I’ve had a few great ethanol extracts as well(everclear is legal in OR. I know it isn’t in every state, so I don’t know how many states are doing ethanol runs in the stores yet.)

We have rigorous testing laws here(concentrates. Flower not so much) and this last recall is one of the biggest we’ve had. It almost always means some level of collusion between a farm and a lab, and considering how much it costs to set up a lab to Oregonian standards(gas chromatography is the standard, though there are newer, more expensive, even more accurate options now,) and the fact that they have the potential to make money off of multiple farms, I imagine it would cost a pretty penny to buy off most labs.

It’s hard to survive one fuckup here. The competition is too stiff in all areas of the industry.

 

[tennisguru1]

Just got a couple of ccells and I am impressed.

They are my favorite for straight distillate or cO2 oil in syringes.
But that's for when I'm out & about, with the Palm Stealth Battery
& the 1.0ml refillable carts, like the new black ceramic tips.

But when I'm just playing PS4 & Recliner Riding your Donut settings
on TCR for Evolve + atty & Evic Two Mini are AWESOME for sipping
my way to heaven with shatter or distillate, ty for the suggestion.

Do you have any TCR settings for the ccell cart yet?
What is the coli ? I get 1.20ohms?

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

A few Amigo V9 Carts questions if anybody can help.

I was wondering, can you actually run these in TC? and if so what temps are good? I have a Pico 45W which I believe has 3 TC options. Which one would be the right one? I've only ever used Wattage control. TC seems a tad complicated. I know its probably not once you get into it. What are the benefits of TC?

Do you have any TCR settings for the ccell cart yet?
What is the coli ? I get 1.20ohms?

I finally got my 5-pack of V9 liberty tanks in the mail today, only 2 weeks on the boat from china, not too bad. Initial impressions are pretty good, and to cut to the chase,

YES GUYS! you can TC! It wasn't too hard to hunt down the right settings, and I borrowed a tip from @Steven's recent update about the Veco tank which uses a very similar heater to choose TCR 140. So it appears the V9's ccells use an SS coil wire, but using TC-SS (TCR 120) didn't make much vapor, even at high temps. I tried TCR-200-245, and it worked, but was too hot even at mid-300s temp.

TCR 140, 8w, temps from 360-400F make pretty good consistent clouds.

Since the heat for vaporizing mostly comes from the ceramic coil around the wire, rather than the steel wire itself, I think giving the wire a little more time to heat the ceramic cylinder with a higher TCR allows for a reasonable temperature range to make good vape at #140.

Note: These tanks are from 1.2-1.3Ω, so TC will only work on a more up-to-date, quality TC mod. Many subpar, older mods only support TC up to 1.0Ω, so don't try it with a crap TC mod, just fire at 3-5w in power mode then.

These tanks are very easy to fill with the removeable center post. Contact for the little coil to the tank / atomizer base is acheived through an innovate threaded squish post with little channels on the side of the thread to allow squeezed oil to move up into the glass tank area. So you fill directly into the threads, but electrical contact won't be blocked by oil (like on the cubis) because of the side-channels. Clever design.

Good / bad news: the center post of the coil theoretically is "rebuildable" since you can take out the pin and silicon grommet, but the space is so small, I can't think of anything to fit inside the space. It's too small to fit even my tiny 5mm donut I was hoping to try rebuilding one of these with. (that would taste alot better for sure)

More good: these tanks are made with no cotton or fiber wick, just the porous silica ceramic cylinder which acts as the heater and wick in one.

More good: the 4 tiny wicking holes are situated very low in the tank when the post is screwed in, so this tank should be very efficient in vaping up the last few drops of oil. (better than my large tanks) Big air bubbles from the holes pop up after puffs, indicating aggressive wicking and air flow. The air flow with 3 / 3 holes open is a little restrictive, but pretty good for a small tank still.


Kinda bad: the flavor, not so great on this tank, but gets a passing grade, it's ok. About what I was expecting for a silica ceramic heater. Dry-hitting it during setup had a pretty gross taste of a metal wire and a hot stone (that's what it is)

After filling one of these tanks with htfse and a few soft, wicking-up puffs, it's tasting ok after tuning the TC settings. I have some of this same oil that's been filled on a dual 7mm donut coil on a cubis pro mini for many months, which is thicker and not as fresh from being puffed on hundreds of time, but the same htfse oil still tastes much better and more subtle on the donut I think the faint metal taste on ccell coils is what spoils the fine taste and holds it back for me.

Oh well. The ccell doesn't taste bad stiill, and I know alot of people will enjoy it's (to be proven?) reliability and convenience and ease to set up and use, and low cost. (~$5 each)

I'm not used to smaller tanks, this 0.5ml tank is even smaller than I expected, and it does look a little out-of-place on even the smallest TC mods. But I wouldn't fire it up any other way
(unregulated pen thumbs down)

Edit: More good: Battery sipper
I just recharged the little 1500mah evic basic, and after about 40 rapid nibble puffs of htfse vapor on the V9, I still have 95% charge (4.12v ---> 4.05v) so this thing will go forever even on a small battery, multiple hundreds of puffs even on a small cell!

It only pulls 2.5a to do 8w on this coil.

You are the man I've got some veco and baby beast rda coming
So for the rda you drill holes ? I've also got some other little carts coming with terps so excited to do some experimenting
How does tc on the mods work?

Great, hopefully those tanks can be a solid upgrade for you.

Just to be clear, the baby beast RBA is the only RBA coil to match your baby beast tank, you can build some interesting coils on it, but it will probably leak on you still with the bottom air. The TFV8 X-baby is a separate tank from the baby beast, and the RBA coil for the x-baby is a separate item also, even though the tank should probably have it included. The x-baby is the only SMOK tank you can rely on to not leak out on you right now.

The veco is alot more user-friendly to set up, and the tank comes with 1 traditional and 1 ccell coil to start you with, but you might as well get an extra pack or 2 of ccells for the veco, they only cost about a couple bucks or so.

I believe all the EUC ccells are SS wire so you can use TC-SS mode on any TC mod with this tank, but you might want to try TCR 140 as I was mentioning above. Use about 25-40w depending on what coil you use, it will be printed on the coil case.

Happy to drop an inception coil in the mail - dying for someone to try. Which of your RDAs has the most build space? Because the dab soaks into the coils, the device can simply be turned upside down so the drip tip can fit into a glass joint directly. It does work best with solids - shatter or wax. Sappy concentrates tend to spatter a bit.

Actually I don't have any RDAs unless you consider the DTV3 to be one, not really, or that would be poorly suited to an inception coil?

Perhaps you can recommend a decent cheap RDA to use, preferably something post-less. If it soaks the oil into the coil during use, I can see how inverting it to insert into a glass rig would be ok. (no need to hold it upright like my DTV3) Maybe an RDA with a glass top to see that vapor billow and poof up inside before entering the glass joint?

I find even live resin is "too terpy" when used in my DTv3. The terps just blow my face off. I don't get the same effect from a hot banger.

And I also get that "fake" taste from distillate, or really anytime terps are re-introduced. but there's not much coice if you want to run a cart, you have to choose between PG and terps.

I know what you mean with the too terpy effect with live resin on the DTV3. I actually kinda like it and find it to be a type of pleasantly overwhelming mild irritating sensation , if that paradox can make sense. With good live resin, it's not an overall negative sensation like from poorly-terpenated distillates. I think the relatively lower temperatures most people use on their donuts vs. a hotter quartz banger is a factor in you getting or not getting that terpene irritation.

I've tried a few distillates (thclear) that are overly terpenated, and / or mixed with a cheap terpene mix that has too much of small set of terpenes (spiking it with the limonene? ), and not small amounts of a larger set of diverse terpenes (aka full spectrum) and the result is a fake-tasting, throat-gagging vapor.

However, I've tried several strains of "gold drop" distillate syringes, which is a much more viscous, less diluted product, and the taste is spot on , with little to no throat or sinus issues when vaped at low temp. So clearly, gold drop is putting the effort to properly source / match the terpenes, and the flavor is actually pleasant and closely matching the strain too!

I think what I'm trying to say, is to not paint all distillate with the same brush, the purity of the product and quality of the terp mix is key

What part of the live resin production process would allow for decarboxylation? I’m rather curious...

I don't think anyone said that, but I believe live resin and most BHO is not inherently de-carbed. When I see detailed tests for live-resin, it almost always has nearly all the thc content as thca. Where did this rant come from? I thought we were talking carts / tanks for distillate? co2 oil is also great for tanks. Whenever anyone says they have / need a tank that works great for distillate oil, it necessarily also works fine with co2 oil by default.

 

[420democrat]

I finally got my 5-pack of V9 liberty tanks in the mail today, only 2 weeks on the boat from china, not too bad. Initial impressions are pretty good, and to cut to the chase,

YES GUYS! you can TC! It wasn't too hard to hunt down the right settings, and I borrowed a tip from @Steven's recent update about the Veco tank which uses a very similar heater to choose TCR 140. So it appears the V9's ccells use an SS coil wire, but using TC-SS (TCR 120) didn't make much vapor, even at high temps. I tried TCR-200-245, and it worked, but was too hot even at mid-300s temp.

TCR 140, 8w, temps from 360-400F make pretty good consistent clouds.

Since the heat for vaporizing mostly comes from the ceramic coil around the wire, rather than the steel wire itself, I think giving the wire a little more time to heat the ceramic cylinder with a higher TCR allows for a reasonable temperature range to make good vape at #140.

Note: These tanks are from 1.2-1.3Ω, so TC will only work on a more up-to-date, quality TC mod. Many subpar, older mods only support TC up to 1.0Ω, so don't try it with a crap TC mod, just fire at 3-5w in power mode then.

These tanks are very easy to fill with the removeable center post. Contact for the little coil to the tank / atomizer base is acheived through an innovate threaded squish post with little channels on the side of the thread to allow squeezed oil to move up into the glass tank area. So you fill directly into the threads, but electrical contact won't be blocked by oil (like on the cubis) because of the side-channels. Clever design.

Good / bad news: the center post of the coil theoretically is "rebuildable" since you can take out the pin and silicon grommet, but the space is so small, I can't think of anything to fit inside the space. It's too small to fit even my tiny 5mm donut I was hoping to try rebuilding one of these with. (that would taste alot better for sure)

More good: these tanks are made with no cotton or fiber wick, just the porous silica ceramic cylinder which acts as the heater and wick in one.

More good: the 4 tiny wicking holes are situated very low in the tank when the post is screwed in, so this tank should be very efficient in vaping up the last few drops of oil. (better than my large tanks) Big air bubbles from the holes pop up after puffs, indicating aggressive wicking and air flow. The air flow with 3 / 3 holes open is a little restrictive, but pretty good for a small tank still.


Kinda bad: the flavor, not so great on this tank, but gets a passing grade, it's ok. About what I was expecting for a silica ceramic heater. Dry-hitting it during setup had a pretty gross taste of a metal wire and a hot stone (that's what it is)

After filling one of these tanks with htfse and a few soft, wicking-up puffs, it's tasting ok after tuning the TC settings. I have some of this same oil that's been filled on a dual 7mm donut coil on a cubis pro mini for many months, which is thicker and not as fresh from being puffed on hundreds of time, but the same htfse oil still tastes much better and more subtle on the donut I think the faint metal taste on ccell coils is what spoils the fine taste and holds it back for me.

Oh well. The ccell doesn't taste bad stiill, and I know alot of people will enjoy it's (to be proven?) reliability and convenience and ease to set up and use, and low cost. (~$5 each)

I'm not used to smaller tanks, this 0.5ml tank is even smaller than I expected, and it does look a little out-of-place on even the smallest TC mods. But I wouldn't fire it up any other way
(unregulated pen thumbs down)

Edit: More good: Battery sipper
I just recharged the little 1500mah evic basic, and after about 40 rapid nibble puffs of htfse vapor on the V9, I still have 95% charge (4.12v ---> 4.05v) so this thing will go forever even on a small battery, multiple hundreds of puffs even on a small cell!

It only pulls 2.5a to do 8w on this coil.



Great, hopefully those tanks can be a solid upgrade for you.

Just to be clear, the baby beast RBA is the only RBA coil to match your baby beast tank, you can build some interesting coils on it, but it will probably leak on you still with the bottom air. The TFV8 X-baby is a separate tank from the baby beast, and the RBA coil for the x-baby is a separate item also, even though the tank should probably have it included. The x-baby is the only SMOK tank you can rely on to not leak out on you right now.

The veco is alot more user-friendly to set up, and the tank comes with 1 traditional and 1 ccell coil to start you with, but you might as well get an extra pack or 2 of ccells for the veco, they only cost about a couple bucks or so.

I believe all the EUC ccells are SS wire so you can use TC-SS mode on any TC mod with this tank, but you might want to try TCR 140 as I was mentioning above. Use about 25-40w depending on what coil you use, it will be printed on the coil case.



Actually I don't have any RDAs unless you consider the DTV3 to be one, not really, or that would be poorly suited to an inception coil?

Perhaps you can recommend a decent cheap RDA to use, preferably something post-less. If it soaks the oil into the coil during use, I can see how inverting it to insert into a glass rig would be ok. (no need to hold it upright like my DTV3) Maybe an RDA with a glass top to see that vapor billow and poof up inside before entering the glass joint?



I know what you mean with the too terpy effect with live resin on the DTV3. I actually kinda like it and find it to be a type of pleasantly overwhelming mild irritating sensation , if that paradox can make sense, it's not an overall negative sensation like from poorly-terpenated distillates. I think the relatively lower temperatures most people use on their donuts vs. a hotter quartz banger is a factor in you getting or not getting that terpene irritation.

I've tried a few distillates (thclear) that are overly terpenated, and / or mixed with a cheap terpene mix that has too much of small set of terpenes, and not small amounts of a larger set of diverse terpenes (aka full spectrum) and the result is a fake-tasting, throat-gagging vapor.

However, I've tried several strains of "gold drop" distillate syringes, which is a much more viscous, less diluted product, and the taste is spot on , with little to no throat or sinus issues when vaped at low temp. So clearly, gold drop is putting the effort to properly source / match the terpenes, and the flavor is actually pleasant and closely matching the strain too!

I think what I'm trying to say, is to not paint all distillate with the same brush, the purity of the product and quality of the terp mix is key




I don't think anyone said that, but I believe live resin and most BHO is not inherently de-carbed. When I see detailed tests for live-resin, it almost always has nearly all the thc content as thca. Where did this rant come from? I thought we were talking carts / tanks for distillate? co2 oil is also great for tanks. Whenever anyone says they have / need a tank that works great for distillate oil, it necessarily also works fine with co2 oil by default.

I got impatient when my new terps arrived and purchased a tank from a lhs that is of the crown brand crown 3 I believe I did .2ml of terpenes with 2 grams of dissalate over heat while that cooked and stirred I took a sewing needle and added tons of holes to the cotton of the coil loaded after saturating coil and holy crap wow I can totally see why you use big tanks over the little carts the flavor and effects are off the charts just waiting on my veco because the tank is 2ml smaller than this one in afraid this tank will leave a good hit of waste from my 2 grams
I'm now curious about diluting just a tad more my dissalate becomes absolutely perfect consistency for this with heat and terps but the shatter turned into almost peanut butter I even added .1ml of my thc ejuice and .1ml of terps with an extra drop and it's still not quite the consistency I would like... how could I dilute it further? Is there danger in a higher terpenes content? The mix dabs absolutely lovely as I was dabbing what I couldn't remove from the container which is probably about 1/4 of the material the other 3/4 is sitting in my syringe till I figure out what to do with it

Terps def add nice effects to your product I thought folks were having placebo effects etc but my mango terp blend has dramatically different results than my super lemon haze blend

Are you using the veco 2ml? Or larger? Are they the same ?

 

[420democrat]

I couldn't get tc to work to save my life so I just ended up at 50watts for huge clouds
The mod I use is a smok g150 I think

 

[psychonaut]

Nice work @Vape Donkey 650, I'll be trying my V9 today in with TCR on my istick pico =)

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Actually I don't have any RDAs unless you consider the DTV3 to be one, not really, or that would be poorly suited to an inception coil?

Perhaps you can recommend a decent cheap RDA to use, preferably something post-less. If it soaks the oil into the coil during use, I can see how inverting it to insert into a glass rig would be ok. (no need to hold it upright like my DTV3) Maybe an RDA with a glass top to see that vapor billow and poof up inside before entering the glass joint?

Dammit - need a DTV3! Never looked at it closely before. It just might work. Remove the ceramic cup and just build it like a two-post deck.

If you're buying something new, Tendou's Tokugawa is the best, but it's ~60-70 USD.

Vandy Vape has some great new RDAs. The Govad features an easy-to-build single coil deck and excellent airflow - second only to the Tokugawa for these builds. Vandy's Pulse RDAs are post-less. The dual coil version works fine. The single coil version would probably work - it's also the best tank for nic-juice. (Seriously, everything else is gather dust.) Bottom (or bottom and side) airflow is best for these - leaking isn't a problem with solid concentrate. Another you might like is the Immortalizer. This features a ceramic deck and novel top-to-bottom airflow. Air enters at the top and flows through machined channels to a bottom port right under the coil.

Is there danger in a higher terpenes content?

A legitimate concern, IMO. Rather than going by drops, you can use a graded syringe to add terpenes, so that you're sure of the percentage.

Terps def add nice effects to your product I thought folks were having placebo effects etc but my mango terp blend has dramatically different results than my super lemon haze blend

Second that!

 

[invertedisdead]

I finally got my 5-pack of V9 liberty tanks in the mail today, only 2 weeks on the boat from china, not too bad. Initial impressions are pretty good, and to cut to the chase,

YES GUYS! you can TC! It wasn't too hard to hunt down the right settings, and I borrowed a tip from @Steven's recent update about the Veco tank which uses a very similar heater to choose TCR 140. So it appears the V9's ccells use an SS coil wire, but using TC-SS (TCR 120) didn't make much vapor, even at high temps. I tried TCR-200-245, and it worked, but was too hot even at mid-300s temp.

TCR 140, 8w, temps from 360-400F make pretty good consistent clouds.

Since the heat for vaporizing mostly comes from the ceramic coil around the wire, rather than the steel wire itself, I think giving the wire a little more time to heat the ceramic cylinder with a higher TCR allows for a reasonable temperature range to make good vape at #140.

Note: These tanks are from 1.2-1.3Ω, so TC will only work on a more up-to-date, quality TC mod. Many subpar, older mods only support TC up to 1.0Ω, so don't try it with a crap TC mod, just fire at 3-5w in power mode then.

These tanks are very easy to fill with the removeable center post. Contact for the little coil to the tank / atomizer base is acheived through an innovate threaded squish post with little channels on the side of the thread to allow squeezed oil to move up into the glass tank area. So you fill directly into the threads, but electrical contact won't be blocked by oil (like on the cubis) because of the side-channels. Clever design.

Good / bad news: the center post of the coil theoretically is "rebuildable" since you can take out the pin and silicon grommet, but the space is so small, I can't think of anything to fit inside the space. It's too small to fit even my tiny 5mm donut I was hoping to try rebuilding one of these with. (that would taste alot better for sure)

More good: these tanks are made with no cotton or fiber wick, just the porous silica ceramic cylinder which acts as the heater and wick in one.

More good: the 4 tiny wicking holes are situated very low in the tank when the post is screwed in, so this tank should be very efficient in vaping up the last few drops of oil. (better than my large tanks) Big air bubbles from the holes pop up after puffs, indicating aggressive wicking and air flow. The air flow with 3 / 3 holes open is a little restrictive, but pretty good for a small tank still.


Kinda bad: the flavor, not so great on this tank, but gets a passing grade, it's ok. About what I was expecting for a silica ceramic heater. Dry-hitting it during setup had a pretty gross taste of a metal wire and a hot stone (that's what it is)

After filling one of these tanks with htfse and a few soft, wicking-up puffs, it's tasting ok after tuning the TC settings. I have some of this same oil that's been filled on a dual 7mm donut coil on a cubis pro mini for many months, which is thicker and not as fresh from being puffed on hundreds of time, but the same htfse oil still tastes much better and more subtle on the donut I think the faint metal taste on ccell coils is what spoils the fine taste and holds it back for me.

Oh well. The ccell doesn't taste bad stiill, and I know alot of people will enjoy it's (to be proven?) reliability and convenience and ease to set up and use, and low cost. (~$5 each)

I'm not used to smaller tanks, this 0.5ml tank is even smaller than I expected, and it does look a little out-of-place on even the smallest TC mods. But I wouldn't fire it up any other way
(unregulated pen thumbs down)

Edit: More good: Battery sipper
I just recharged the little 1500mah evic basic, and after about 40 rapid nibble puffs of htfse vapor on the V9, I still have 95% charge (4.12v ---> 4.05v) so this thing will go forever even on a small battery, multiple hundreds of puffs even on a small cell!

It only pulls 2.5a to do 8w on this coil.



Great, hopefully those tanks can be a solid upgrade for you.

Just to be clear, the baby beast RBA is the only RBA coil to match your baby beast tank, you can build some interesting coils on it, but it will probably leak on you still with the bottom air. The TFV8 X-baby is a separate tank from the baby beast, and the RBA coil for the x-baby is a separate item also, even though the tank should probably have it included. The x-baby is the only SMOK tank you can rely on to not leak out on you right now.

The veco is alot more user-friendly to set up, and the tank comes with 1 traditional and 1 ccell coil to start you with, but you might as well get an extra pack or 2 of ccells for the veco, they only cost about a couple bucks or so.

I believe all the EUC ccells are SS wire so you can use TC-SS mode on any TC mod with this tank, but you might want to try TCR 140 as I was mentioning above. Use about 25-40w depending on what coil you use, it will be printed on the coil case.



Actually I don't have any RDAs unless you consider the DTV3 to be one, not really, or that would be poorly suited to an inception coil?

Perhaps you can recommend a decent cheap RDA to use, preferably something post-less. If it soaks the oil into the coil during use, I can see how inverting it to insert into a glass rig would be ok. (no need to hold it upright like my DTV3) Maybe an RDA with a glass top to see that vapor billow and poof up inside before entering the glass joint?



I know what you mean with the too terpy effect with live resin on the DTV3. I actually kinda like it and find it to be a type of pleasantly overwhelming mild irritating sensation , if that paradox can make sense. With good live resin, it's not an overall negative sensation like from poorly-terpenated distillates. I think the relatively lower temperatures most people use on their donuts vs. a hotter quartz banger is a factor in you getting or not getting that terpene irritation.

I've tried a few distillates (thclear) that are overly terpenated, and / or mixed with a cheap terpene mix that has too much of small set of terpenes (spiking it with the limonene? ), and not small amounts of a larger set of diverse terpenes (aka full spectrum) and the result is a fake-tasting, throat-gagging vapor.

However, I've tried several strains of "gold drop" distillate syringes, which is a much more viscous, less diluted product, and the taste is spot on , with little to no throat or sinus issues when vaped at low temp. So clearly, gold drop is putting the effort to properly source / match the terpenes, and the flavor is actually pleasant and closely matching the strain too!

I think what I'm trying to say, is to not paint all distillate with the same brush, the purity of the product and quality of the terp mix is key




I don't think anyone said that, but I believe live resin and most BHO is not inherently de-carbed. When I see detailed tests for live-resin, it almost always has nearly all the thc content as thca. Where did this rant come from? I thought we were talking carts / tanks for distillate? co2 oil is also great for tanks. Whenever anyone says they have / need a tank that works great for distillate oil, it necessarily also works fine with co2 oil by default.

I've been using one of these tanks for a few days, I think your thoughts are pretty much spot on to my findings. The most quirky issue I'm experiencing is the electrical contact does get interrupted sometimes when the concentrate solidifies on my test cart. I'm running extremely thick extracts though. Agreed the flavor is acceptable, not bad, not incredible; but considering the convenience afforded by the tank it works pretty well.

First I ran a gram of undiluted gooey concentrate through, now I've got a little shatter in the cart with 2 drops of El Nino terps. Just took two puffs after a preheat cycle on the battery and getting pretty good performance, even on the lowest setting. (2.7v) I'll have to try the cart in TC mode, it didn't even cross my mind to try, I just assumed it wouldn't work. I'll have to try your settings and compare the performance! Ironically, as much as I like my box mods, I seem to be getting better performance on the little stick battery. The preheat cycle seems to help a lot. The cart is extremely easy to load which is a huge plus!

@Accept Divine Tribe is coming out with a ceramic rebuildable atomizer deck soon in addition to the quartz crucible cup model. It's gonna be pretty legit for DIY setups.

 

[420democrat]

Dammit - need a DTV3! Never looked at it closely before. It just might work. Remove the ceramic cup and just build it like a two-post deck.

If you're buying something new, Tendou's Tokugawa is the best, but it's ~60-70 USD.

Vandy Vape has some great new RDAs. The Govad features an easy-to-build single coil deck and excellent airflow - second only to the Tokugawa for these builds. Vandy's Pulse RDAs are post-less. The dual coil version works fine. The single coil version would probably work - it's also the best tank for nic-juice. (Seriously, everything else is gather dust.) Bottom (or bottom and side) airflow is best for these - leaking isn't a problem with solid concentrate. Another you might like is the Immortalizer. This features a ceramic deck and novel top-to-bottom airflow. Air enters at the top and flows through machined channels to a bottom port right under the coil.



A legitimate concern, IMO. Rather than going by drops, you can use a graded syringe to add terpenes, so that you're sure of the percentage.



Second that!

I was using a syringe and did like .1 so I'm assuming 1gram=1ml so .1 to a gram is like 10%? What she the max terp percentage you would want? Would 20% be acceptable in a shatter?

 

[tennisguru1]

I've been using one of these tanks for a few days, I think your thoughts are pretty much spot on to my findings. The most quirky issue I'm experiencing is the electrical contact does get interrupted sometimes when the concentrate solidifies on my test cart. I'm running extremely thick extracts though. Agreed the flavor is acceptable, not bad, not incredible; but considering the convenience afforded by the tank it works pretty well.

First I ran a gram of undiluted gooey concentrate through, now I've got a little shatter in the cart with 2 drops of El Nino terps. Just took two puffs after a preheat cycle on the battery and getting pretty good performance, even on the lowest setting. (2.7v) I'll have to try the cart in TC mode, it didn't even cross my mind to try, I just assumed it wouldn't work. I'll have to try your settings and compare the performance! Ironically, as much as I like my box mods, I seem to be getting better performance on the little stick battery. The preheat cycle seems to help a lot. The cart is extremely easy to load which is a huge plus!

@Accept Divine Tribe is coming out with a ceramic rebuildable atomizer deck soon in addition to the quartz crucible cup model. It's gonna be pretty legit for DIY setups.

How many air holes you have open?
Even with all 6 it just doesn't seem to pull as good as it should.
Love that it can't leak out the bottom but is that trade off for
pull & air flow.
Seems to hit better or as good on pens that it works with.
Because of top air flow, won't hit on some pens.
Going to try Vape Donkey 650 TC settings, but as far
as taste goes & air flow & hit cloud, inferior to palm cCell by FAR.
I use the name "Palm" cCell as there seems to be some confusion.
These have ccell lasered on the bottom of cart.
What I don't like is bottom holes, but never leaked on me there.
I use thick distillate or Co2 oil straight 3 carts 16 refills.
Really like the 1.0ml size, hit's to THE END of your oil.
Going to take one apart to see what's inside.
(Blew up coil in n noob error trying trc mode, oops lol)

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

@Accept Divine Tribe is coming out with a ceramic rebuildable atomizer deck soon in addition to the quartz crucible cup model. It's gonna be pretty legit for DIY setups.

Sweet! Don't know why more RDAs don't have ceramic decks. Makes a lot more sense than conductive decks.

I was using a syringe and did like .1 so I'm assuming 1gram=1ml so .1 to a gram is like 10%? What she the max terp percentage you would want? Would 20% be acceptable in a shatter?

You're probably at the top of the range already. @herbivore21 has suggested 7%-10%, which seems reasonable.

 

[420democrat]

Sweet! Don't know why more RDAs don't have ceramic decks. Makes a lot more sense than conductive decks.



You're probably at the top of the range already. @herbivore21 has suggested 7%10%, which seems reasonable.

I see, i wonder at what point it would get dangerous/not so good results
The flavor is nowhere near overwhelming yet
I'll probably try emptying the syringe and adding another .1ml to the container and see how it does at 20ish% I'm currently just chasing a particular consitancy with it I have a lot of the shatter in question and don't particularly enjoy it figure it's a good place to start experimenting before I cook down more of my dissalate
So for further dilution what are options aside from terpenes? Vg? Pg? Peg? Or would some non flavored liquidizer/shatter batter work?
Essential oils besides terpenes that could be added?

 

[invertedisdead]

How many air holes you have open?
Even with all 6 it just doesn't seem to pull as good as it should.
Love that it can't leak out the bottom but is that trade off for
pull & air flow.
Seems to hit better or as good on pens that it works with.
Because of top air flow, won't hit on some pens.
Going to try Vape Donkey 650 TC settings, but as far
as taste goes & air flow & hit cloud, inferior to palm cCell by FAR.
I use the name "Palm" cCell as there seems to be some confusion.
These have ccell lasered on the bottom of cart.
What I don't like is bottom holes, but never leaked on me there.
I use thick distillate or Co2 oil straight 3 carts 16 refills.
Really like the 1.0ml size, hit's to THE END of your oil.
Going to take one apart to see what's inside.
(Blew up coil in n noob error trying trc mode, oops lol)

I have 2 air holes open right now, I haven't tried the cCell carts yet but I'd like to. It seems like the cCell carts have to go through an outer cotton layer to get the the inner vertical ceramic coil?

 

[elmoe420]

Note: These tanks are from 1.2-1.3Ω, so TC will only work on a more up-to-date, quality TC mod. Many subpar, older mods only support TC up to 1.0Ω, so don't try it with a crap TC mod, just fire at 3-5w in power mode then.

First off, big thanks as always for reporting back your findings in such detail. Posts like this are what makes this forum so awesome!

However, I think it is a bit rough to say that chips which won't TC above 1 ohm are "crap". I think it is much more accurate when you point out that they are just "old".

For example, let's take a break-down of some mods that I have in front of me right now:

Joyetech eVic VTC Mini - TC 0.05-1.0 ohm
Hcigar VT75 - TC 0.08-1.0 ohm
Teslacigs Steampunk Nano 120W - TC 0.05-1.0 ohm
Joyetech eVic Primo - TC 0.05-1.5 ohm
Smok G-Priv - TC 0.05-2.0 ohm

As we can see sub-ohm was the previous standard to do anything related to TC.

I think you'd be hard pressed to call the temp control functionality of the DNA75 chips "crap". As well, the eVic VTC Mini is probably the most reliably and best bang for the buck mod I've ever used. Simply because they were designed to TC for sub-ohm coils doesn't make them bad mods. Emphasizing that these are older generation technology might be more fair?

Also, the good news is that it seems in some cases this may be fixed with a firmware upgrade. At least the latest firmware for the eVic VTC Mini claims to raise the TC resistance limit to 1.5 ohm. I believe this is the limit with the newer DNA75c as well. I'm not sure if you can firmware upgrade the older DNA75 to get this feature though.

I'll also point out that anecdotally I could never get the Smok to TC reliably above 1.0 ohms even though they claim it should work up to 2.0. As well, in my experience coil resistance seems to vary mildly from cart to cart. For example, the gen 2 vape710 distillate carts which are supposed to be 1.5 ohm would often be slightly above this (~1.6 ohm in my experience). This would break TC on the new Joyetech chip/firmware (eVic Primo Mini).

The question I have is, why aren't these distillate carts just sub-ohm? The Trinity coil is sub-ohm as are almost any modern e-cig coil. I'm not sure what the constraint is with these other cart designs?

With regard to taste, I'm not surprised you find the taste lacking. You are a flavor chaser my friend!! Your ceramic donuts builds are gonna blow these standard white e-cig ceramics out of the water. This is why I am so sold on paying more money for the Trinity. The black ceramic/SiC that W9 uses just tastes so much better particularly over the long run. My first Trinity tank is still going strong and the flavor remains great. Unfortunately it is 20$ not 5$ per.

 

[420democrat]

What syringes are everyone using? I had success adding another .5ml of shatter batter and 2 drops of terps to that shatter from earlier but realized I hate my syringe

 

[tennisguru1]

What syringes are everyone using? I had success adding another .5ml of shatter batter and 2 drops of terps to that shatter from earlier but realized I hate my syringe

Luber lock 14ga 15ga tips
Fastech $1 for 20 tips

 

[420democrat]

So while making some more mango dissalate I decided to play with that shatter again I ended up at like 1gram shat 1ml of liquidizer already mixed with shatter I lost count of terpene content as I was puffing my mango... bad idea i believe it was 2 drops more
I believe my issue here is the terpenes I ordered a few different brands and this particular brand was true terpenes and i don't think I'll order from them again
With heat I decided to fill my baby beast same process with picking holes in the cotton etc it works, it hits, it's potent but I can't really taste the terps much get a slight burn and hardcore cannabis odor on exhale the effects are a++
I guess I should probably start a terpenes/concentrate experiment thread as I'm getting off topic I suppose just figured we are all playing with the same stuff
Every one of. My friends that have tried theese two tanks are blown away on initial inhale they end up asking to hit a few more and take 3-4 puffs and after a few minutes I realize they blasted off to the moon and I still can't break into space lol
So far dissalate+ terps is much more pleasant on every front from the shatter
After I kill theese two tanks of material I'll start playing with some other terpene blends and shatter I really wanna make shatter work as it's much more readily available as I'm black market and my guy has realized he can make more on dissalate selling half gram e cigs than he can selling it in containers as a gram and still charges full gram prices so I have about 20grams stockpiled but obviously I wanna make something just as pleasant with shatter before I run out
My next terp brand to play with will be denver terpenes full spectrum extract
And I will either be trying my veco tank or bubble man trinity tank as I have both on the way

 

[tennisguru1]

So while making some more mango dissalate I decided to play with that shatter again I ended up at like 1gram shat 1ml of liquidizer already mixed with shatter I lost count of terpene content as I was puffing my mango... bad idea i believe it was 2 drops more
I believe my issue here is the terpenes I ordered a few different brands and this particular brand was true terpenes and i don't think I'll order from them again
With heat I decided to fill my baby beast same process with picking holes in the cotton etc it works, it hits, it's potent but I can't really taste the terps much get a slight burn and hardcore cannabis odor on exhale the effects are a++
I guess I should probably start a terpenes/concentrate experiment thread as I'm getting off topic I suppose just figured we are all playing with the same stuff
Every one of. My friends that have tried theese two tanks are blown away on initial inhale they end up asking to hit a few more and take 3-4 puffs and after a few minutes I realize they blasted off to the moon and I still can't break into space lol
So far dissalate+ terps is much more pleasant on every front from the shatter
After I kill theese two tanks of material I'll start playing with some other terpene blends and shatter I really wanna make shatter work as it's much more readily available as I'm black market and my guy has realized he can make more on dissalate selling half gram e cigs than he can selling it in containers as a gram and still charges full gram prices so I have about 20grams stockpiled but obviously I wanna make something just as pleasant with shatter before I run out
My next terp brand to play with will be denver terpenes full spectrum extract
And I will either be trying my veco tank or bubble man trinity tank as I have both on the way

Yes please do start that thread!
I would like to be able to just add a drop or 2 to a gram
syringe of thick Co2 oil to help my buddy get rid of that
wax liquid cut he uses to put his concentrates in V9 carts.
He likes the Co2 but misses the Taste that maybe you're
Terp Experiments could add back easily.
What do you suggest as the simlist cheapest drops that
you have found to do this task?

 

[420democrat]

Yes please do start that thread!
I would like to be able to just add a drop or 2 to a gram
syringe of thick Co2 oil to help my buddy get rid of that
wax liquid cut he uses to put his concentrates in V9 carts.
He likes the Co2 but misses the Taste that maybe you're
Terp Experiments could add back easily.
What do you suggest as the simlist cheapest drops that
you have found to do this task?

When I did the shatter I used wax liquidizer flavorless that I had previously cooked into ejuice I keep 30ml bottles around as that was my last experiment phase but I like the terp a lot more
My current process is put the gram into the glass container for mixing and add terps most brands I've used so far say 1-2 drops but I've gone over that in every mix I've been more towards .1ml per gram (10% roughly although I wanna try .2ml next time ) and I stir that over heat until minimal bubbles than I add the 1ml of liquidizer and stir over heat once I'm satisified I load into syringe (I suggest some gloves as you'll have to touch everything while it's bubbling hot to make sure it goes smoothly and easily) i than quickly fill the tank it would seem any ecig gear will work just some works better than others
When the mix is particularly thick I'll expose the tank to heat for example the mix of shatter I made last night and am puffing now is almost peanut butter once cooled so as I filled the tank it wasn't going to the bottom how I'd like so my solution was take tank and stick in a plastic bag stand it up rite in the saucepan heat source for shatter stuck a lid on it and forgot about it for about 5minutes
Remove from heat and let sit and cool for 20minutes
When I picked it up all the oil is level around he bottom of the tank and all cotton is fully saturated
I feel like if I did not do this step my tank would just be dry hitting but since I did it it's working really well

My favorite terpene at budget pricing so far has been from terp nation
They are inexpensive and taste decent without any burning etc I like them and will use them again for experimenting
The ones I'm excited to use are denver terpenes full spectrum which are a little more than double the price of terp nation

Being in a black market state I have never had co2 oil but I imagine it's similar to dissalate as it would be super easy to blend and take the flavor nicely my dissalate only needs like 3-4 drops to be the flavor I want and it mixes well and becomes the perfect consistency

 

[tennisguru1]

When I did the shatter I used wax liquidizer flavorless that I had previously cooked into ejuice I keep 30ml bottles around as that was my last experiment phase but I like the terp a lot more
My current process is put the gram into the glass container for mixing and add terps most brands I've used so far say 1-2 drops but I've gone over that in every mix I've been more towards .1ml per gram (10% roughly although I wanna try .2ml next time ) and I stir that over heat until minimal bubbles than I add the 1ml of liquidizer and stir over heat once I'm satisified I load into syringe (I suggest some gloves as you'll have to touch everything while it's bubbling hot to make sure it goes smoothly and easily) i than quickly fill the tank it would seem any ecig gear will work just some works better than others
When the mix is particularly thick I'll expose the tank to heat for example the mix of shatter I made last night and am puffing now is almost peanut butter once cooled so as I filled the tank it wasn't going to the bottom how I'd like so my solution was take tank and stick in a plastic bag stand it up rite in the saucepan heat source for shatter stuck a lid on it and forgot about it for about 5minutes
Remove from heat and let sit and cool for 20minutes
When I picked it up all the oil is level around he bottom of the tank and all cotton is fully saturated
I feel like if I did not do this step my tank would just be dry hitting but since I did it it's working really well

My favorite terpene at budget pricing so far has been from terp nation
They are inexpensive and taste decent without any burning etc I like them and will use them again for experimenting
The ones I'm excited to use are denver terpenes full spectrum which are a little more than double the price of terp nation

Being in a black market state I have never had co2 oil but I imagine it's similar to dissalate as it would be super easy to blend and take the flavor nicely my dissalate only needs like 3-4 drops to be the flavor I want and it mixes well and becomes the perfect consistency

OK, Terp Nation, give that a look.
Have you tasted that denver terpenes full spectrum yet?

When my Bud uses WaxLiq he just heats gold yellow shatter
& WaxLiq in a distillate jar for 9 sec , stir for 2-3 mins no agitation
Suck up with 15ga tip & put in ccell 1ml wait till cools.
fills 3 1ml carts , hits most like a nail of any pen cart.
I just don't see the need for a cut to vape for myself,
but I'm willing to experiment for my buds health.

 

[420democrat]

OK, Terp Nation, give that a look.
Have you tasted that denver terpenes full spectrum yet?

When my Bud uses WaxLiq he just heats gold yellow shatter
& WaxLiq in a distillate jar for 9 sec , stir for 2-3 mins no agitation
Suck up with 15ga tip & put in ccell 1ml wait till cools.
fills 3 1ml carts , hits most like a nail of any pen cart.
I just don't see the need for a cut to vape for myself,
but I'm willing to experiment for my buds health.

When I cut with wax liquidizer/shatter batter I dillute pretty heavily and use it as regular ejuice in big tanks I didn't like it in the carts and I dislike the aftertaste atleast I get a aftertaste
The cool thing I'm noticing is terpene doesn't necisarlly cut it it adds flavor and breaks it down some so for example 2drop and stir it's still thick enough to dab with but tastes out of this world (black market state out shatter is dark and has no terps really) and the terpenes add to the effects it's not just cutting it like the liquidizer/shatter batter etc
If your buddy is already using little cartridge I'm willing to bet you guys will enjoy using terpene way more than any liquidizer product
I only use very little liquidizer with terpene on my shatter to try and get the consistency a little more runny but my next experiment I will be trying to just add more terpene until desired consistency and avoid liquidizer/shatter batter all together
No I haven't tried to Denver terpene yet but I'm really excited too when I put in my wholesale order the owner seemed like he really knew his stuff and had a passion to put out the best product possible
I'm thinking .2ml to shatter will get it where I want I just have to try and see as it seems most ppl are also still experimenting and only adding drops at a time vs bigger amounts
Most here also seem to be playing with much more expensive terpene as well tho
I'm not willing to pay 60$ for .25ml lol

I felt the same as you about cutting at first this all started a good while ago and every failed mix made me more and more against it but when I took a trip to Denver and got quality terpene cart I was blown away and had to have something similar at home been experimenting for a while I finally got liquidizer to make me a mix potent enough to satisfy but not too potent I can't puff it mindlessly and made a ton of that but the flavor started to get to me... since I've started with terpene my other gear barley gets touched
My crown tank with the mango is the most pleasant smoke I have tastes amazing it's ridiculously smooth and the effects are out of this world
2 puffs and I'm done and I usually dab 2 grams every 7 days.. my tolerance is not low by any means but this seems way more efficient than dabbing I've smoked out 6ppl in the last 2 days and me and my girl only using the dissalate crown tank and we still didn't kill a whole ml yet

 

[tennisguru1]

When I cut with wax liquidizer/shatter batter I dillute pretty heavily and use it as regular ejuice in big tanks I didn't like it in the carts and I dislike the aftertaste atleast I get a aftertaste
The cool thing I'm noticing is terpene doesn't necessarily cut it it adds flavor and breaks it down some so for example 2 drop and stir it's still thick enough to dab with but tastes out of this world (black market state out shatter is dark and has no terps really) and the terpenes add to the effects it's not just cutting it like the liquidizer/shatter batter etc
If your buddy is already using little cartridge I'm willing to bet you guys will enjoy using terpene way more than any liquidizer product
I only use very little liquidizer with terpene on my shatter to try and get the consistency a little more runny but my next experiment I will be trying to just add more terpene until desired consistency and avoid liquidizer/shatter batter all together
No I haven't tried to Denver terpene yet but I'm really excited too when I put in my wholesale order the owner seemed like he really knew his stuff and had a passion to put out the best product possible
I'm thinking .2ml to shatter will get it where I want I just have to try and see as it seems most ppl are also still experimenting and only adding drops at a time vs bigger amounts
Most here also seem to be playing with much more expensive terpene as well tho
I'm not willing to pay 60$ for .25ml lol

Agree, don't want to pay more for terps than shatter,lol.
Big diff I can see is we are rec & med out in vegas & I get
great fresh golden shatter $35 & now oil & distillate price
drop also to $50 - 60 gram & starting to fall more with Cali
coming into competition.
I remember that days of cold dark shatter, ug! lol

I can't get a price without an account, how much is that stuff & what flavor do you suggest my bud tries.

Let me make this clear, I GAG on Wax LiqX of all types, this is for my Bud who is out & about a lot.

I ONLY Do pure Micro-Dabs on my All Quartz Cup
& Quartz Lamp, self cleaning , Best water bubbler.
Use Shatter, Oil, Distillate , just not hash, does great on rosin also, but have to crank to 900 deg to clean
the particulates.

What I sip on to stretch and be able to be portable is
what I learned from great guys on FC like Hoosier & Vape Donkey , Matt from Divine Tribe got to watch hit ytube vids (just to name a few great sources) .

Got a great TCR $30 mod & some inexpensive Yocan evolve + ceramic donut attys ($10 for 5) & copied
their posted setting and I just sip on a Distillate or
shatter all day with no fuss no muss, lol.
Very tasty cool hits, economical & I mix all types
of shatter in with oil & distillate throughout the day .

Thanks for your quick follow up & for your experiments.

 

[420democrat]

When I cut with wax liquidizer/shatter batter I dillute pretty heavily and use it as regular ejuice in big tanks I didn't like it in the carts and I dislike the aftertaste atleast I get a aftertaste
The cool thing I'm noticing is terpene doesn't necisarlly cut it it adds flavor and breaks it down some so for example 2drop and stir it's still thick enough to dab with but tastes out of this world (black market state out shatter is dark and has no terps really) and the terpenes add to the effects it's not just cutting it like the liquidizer/shatter batter etc
If your buddy is already using little cartridge I'm willing to bet you guys will enjoy using terpene way more than any liquidizer product

When I cut with wax liquidizer/shatter batter I dillute pretty heavily and use it as regular ejuice in big tanks I didn't like it in the carts and I dislike the aftertaste atleast I get a aftertaste
The cool thing I'm noticing is terpene doesn't necisarlly cut it it adds flavor and breaks it down some so for example 2drop and stir it's still thick enough to dab with but tastes out of this world (black market state out shatter is dark and has no terps really) and the terpenes add to the effects it's not just cutting it like the liquidizer/shatter batter etc
If your buddy is already using little cartridge I'm willing to bet you guys will enjoy using terpene way more than any liquidizer product
I only use very little liquidizer with terpene on my shatter to try and get the consistency a little more runny but my next experiment I will be trying to just add more terpene until desired consistency and avoid liquidizer/shatter batter all together
No I haven't tried to Denver terpene yet but I'm really excited too when I put in my wholesale order the owner seemed like he really knew his stuff and had a passion to put out the best product possible

Agree, don't want to pay more for terps than shatter,lol.
Big diff I can see is we are rec & med out in vegas & I get
great fresh golden shatter $35 & now oil & distillate price
drop also to $50 - 60 gram & starting to fall more with Cali
coming into competition.
I remember that days of cold dark shatter, ug! lol

I can't get a price without an account, how much is that stuff & what flavor do you suggest my bud tries.

Let me make this clear, I GAG on Wax LiqX of all types, this is for my Bud who is out & about a lot.

I ONLY Do pure Micro-Dabs on my All Quartz Cup
& Quartz Lamp, self cleaning , Best water bubbler.
Use Shatter, Oil, Distillate , just not hash, does great on rosin also, but have to crank to 900 deg to clean
the particulates.

What I sip on to stretch and be able to be portable is
what I learned from great guys on FC like Hoosier & Vape Donkey , Matt from Divine Tribe got to watch hit ytube vids (just to name a few great sources) .

Got a great TCR $30 mod & some inexpensive Yocan evolve + ceramic donut attys ($10 for 5) & copied
their posted setting and I just sip on a Distillate or
shatter all day with no fuss no muss, lol.
Very tasty cool hits, economical & I mix all types
of shatter in with oil & distillate throughout the day .

Thanks for your quick follow up & for your experiments.

no worries I started that experiment thread yea the quartz cups are badass I have a portable nail type thing from galaxy enails I love
Yea I hope we go rec but I'm getting a press for Christmas the end game is grow in shed squish my own rosin and use terps to turn that into juice and cut out the middle man you will enjoy the terpenes so far I've tried strawberry cough and mango and enjoy both very much
When my guy first got dissalate he didn't really understand what it was and was selling to me at 4 for 100 being in Colorado seeing it at 50 a half gram I been buying him out every time he got them but he's gotten savvy unfortanetly lol a lot of amazing members here that have endless knowledge and go above and beyond to help, gotta love fc
With terps I think you will also start to carry a pen around its worlds better than using just liquidizer/shat batter

 

[tennisguru1]

no worries I started that experiment thread yea the quartz cups are badass I have a portable nail type thing from galaxy enails I love
Yea I hope we go rec but I'm getting a press for Christmas the end game is grow in shed squish my own rosin and use terps to turn that into juice and cut out the middle man you will enjoy the terpenes so far I've tried strawberry cough and mango and enjoy both very much
When my guy first got dissalate he didn't really understand what it was and was selling to me at 4 for 100 being in Colorado seeing it at 50 a half gram I been buying him out every time he got them but he's gotten savvy unfortanetly lol a lot of amazing members here that have endless knowledge and go above and beyond to help, gotta love fc
With terps I think you will also start to carry a pen around its worlds better than using just liquidizer/shat batter

Ok I will get him a taste of that strawberry cough & hopefully get him off the WaxLiq
How much for the smallest order?

I still go out 3 x a week for 3 hrs at a time to hit tennis balls with the Kids (under 60)
Would never give up my One , First, Only pen cart combo.
Have used for over a year now (half price direct from distributor) $14 total 1ml cart & pen
I now use the Palm from same company (more discreet, no visible light, complete whole
size is as big as 1ml cart with black tip, disappears in your hand while hitting.



Comes with the lanyard attached to finger sized battery I wear under my tennis shirt
Sold as canablast, out in straight co2 or distillate (no cut needed or wanted on court)
Just a 4-5 second hidden discrete non smelling hit from under my beard, good to go
for the next set of doubles, lol.
https://shopapexlab.com/product-category/products/

 

[tennisguru1]

First off, big thanks as always for reporting back your findings in such detail. Posts like this are what makes this forum so awesome!

However, I think it is a bit rough to say that chips which won't TC above 1 ohm are "crap". I think it is much more accurate when you point out that they are just "old".

For example, let's take a break-down of some mods that I have in front of me right now:

Joyetech eVic VTC Mini - TC 0.05-1.0 ohm
Hcigar VT75 - TC 0.08-1.0 ohm
Teslacigs Steampunk Nano 120W - TC 0.05-1.0 ohm
Joyetech eVic Primo - TC 0.05-1.5 ohm
Smok G-Priv - TC 0.05-2.0 ohm

As we can see sub-ohm was the previous standard to do anything related to TC.

I think you'd be hard pressed to call the temp control functionality of the DNA75 chips "crap". As well, the eVic VTC Mini is probably the most reliably and best bang for the buck mod I've ever used. Simply because they were designed to TC for sub-ohm coils doesn't make them bad mods. Emphasizing that these are older generation technology might be more fair?

Also, the good news is that it seems in some cases this may be fixed with a firmware upgrade. At least the latest firmware for the eVic VTC Mini claims to raise the TC resistance limit to 1.5 ohm. I believe this is the limit with the newer DNA75c as well. I'm not sure if you can firmware upgrade the older DNA75 to get this feature though.

I'll also point out that anecdotally I could never get the Smok to TC reliably above 1.0 ohms even though they claim it should work up to 2.0. As well, in my experience coil resistance seems to vary mildly from cart to cart. For example, the gen 2 vape710 distillate carts which are supposed to be 1.5 ohm would often be slightly above this (~1.6 ohm in my experience). This would break TC on the new Joyetech chip/firmware (eVic Primo Mini).

The question I have is, why aren't these distillate carts just sub-ohm? The Trinity coil is sub-ohm as are almost any modern e-cig coil. I'm not sure what the constraint is with these other cart designs?

With regard to taste, I'm not surprised you find the taste lacking. You are a flavor chaser my friend!! Your ceramic donuts builds are gonna blow these standard white e-cig ceramics out of the water. This is why I am so sold on paying more money for the Trinity. The black ceramic/SiC that W9 uses just tastes so much better particularly over the long run. My first Trinity tank is still going strong and the flavor remains great. Unfortunately it is 20$ not 5$ per.

I am using a new Evic Two Mini & haven't changed to My Evic or Artic Fox yet.
Am I ok at 1.2 -1.3 ohms for tcr on my cCell cart & V9 with this mod?
So far wattage mode not much difference than good pen.