Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci
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theCerberus
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Well, I decided I couldnt wait to see if mine was defective or not.
I also assumed there was some sort of pass thru for power.
I cranked mine up to 430 and left it for about 5 minutes, now it smells like overheating electronics and there is a small stream of hardly visible vapor coming out. I have to aim a light at the top to see it, but its there and constant.
I had been running it at 430 for about 15 minutes and the stream was still there. It now turned itself off as I assume its dead again and charging, probably not good for battery life, but at least I know mine is not usable anyways.
Probably going to have to go for a return as this smell and mystery gas burn off seems like a malfunction.
I also assumed there was some sort of pass thru for power.
I cranked mine up to 430 and left it for about 5 minutes, now it smells like overheating electronics and there is a small stream of hardly visible vapor coming out. I have to aim a light at the top to see it, but its there and constant.
I had been running it at 430 for about 15 minutes and the stream was still there. It now turned itself off as I assume its dead again and charging, probably not good for battery life, but at least I know mine is not usable anyways.
Probably going to have to go for a return as this smell and mystery gas burn off seems like a malfunction.Following Snake's post: using water tools might just be one of the most neutral indicators for judging vapor production (assuming everyone uses good quality flower, a tight pack and roughly the same water tool).
Because one factor is here that so far nobody seems to have addressed: everybody inhales differently! Some people take deep breaths, others only shallow ones and general flower usage (daily vs sporadic users) must be different for most people here as well. Just to illustrate: I've seen people "ghost" really huge bong rips (i.e. they inhaled, held their breath in and the smoke "condensed" inside their lungs). So looking at the exhaled vapor can be a good indicator in general, but then there are also different lighting settings which all make for a slightly varied picture.
Just a thought on the whole vapor/cloud production. I highly recommend that everyone here build their own smoke bubble (costs next to nothing and can be done within 15min). This has been my vaporizer so far for over a year now (I can hear you guys laughing already). Seriously, give it a try, because you will find out what glass-on-glass should taste like (assuming you use a glass straw), what the vapor production looks like and most importantly: that you don't need huge clouds to get high. They can also be bought online, just google "smoke bubble" or even better "eagle bill shake and vape" (which is an all-glass pipe).
Because one factor is here that so far nobody seems to have addressed: everybody inhales differently! Some people take deep breaths, others only shallow ones and general flower usage (daily vs sporadic users) must be different for most people here as well. Just to illustrate: I've seen people "ghost" really huge bong rips (i.e. they inhaled, held their breath in and the smoke "condensed" inside their lungs). So looking at the exhaled vapor can be a good indicator in general, but then there are also different lighting settings which all make for a slightly varied picture.
Just a thought on the whole vapor/cloud production. I highly recommend that everyone here build their own smoke bubble (costs next to nothing and can be done within 15min). This has been my vaporizer so far for over a year now (I can hear you guys laughing already). Seriously, give it a try, because you will find out what glass-on-glass should taste like (assuming you use a glass straw), what the vapor production looks like and most importantly: that you don't need huge clouds to get high. They can also be bought online, just google "smoke bubble" or even better "eagle bill shake and vape" (which is an all-glass pipe).
Snake Plissken
Transcendentalist
Yeah. just enough moisture to retain some pliability and not be harsh. 6 day hang and about a month in a glass jar.
Even that can still be too moist. Try grinding up a bit and letting it sit overnight. I know it will alter taste, but hopefully you might see better cloud production? Just a thought.
theCerberus
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has anyone successfully burned off the mystery gas? Judging by the overheating electronics smell, it does not seem like its going to stop. It seems like something is actually overheating inside and causing gassing.
I have tested this idea with my Solo by mixing in a half drop of water with a good pinch of herb. Mixed until entire pinch was just a tad damp. Set heater to level 4 and let it steep for about 10 seconds before pulling. 1st draw produced better vapor density than when it was dry. 2nd and following pulls definitely produced more visible vapor. I would definitely suggest that folks who are experiencing relatively thin vapor stir a drop of water into a good pinch of flower. Can't hurt ...the Ascent might surprise you. Fingers crossed.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
It works very well. I like to take an unground nugget and wrap it in cotton and throw it in there.
mmenzie
My friends call me "Menz"
i have not and have been trying since yesterday
Vaporito
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I decided to get off this runaway train.
I love the classic DV but this one has too many issues even the fact that is flower hungry.
And with so much talk of the solo I ordered one at a huge discount from allstarvapes.
I bought the original davinci from them and had no issues with the order
So now I'm off to read about the solo some more.
Are there any threads or reviews about the solo that you can recommend?
I love the classic DV but this one has too many issues even the fact that is flower hungry.
And with so much talk of the solo I ordered one at a huge discount from allstarvapes.
I bought the original davinci from them and had no issues with the order
So now I'm off to read about the solo some more.
Are there any threads or reviews about the solo that you can recommend?
Just thought I'd throw this out there regarding the external heat debate...
My unofficial internets search yielded the following results regarding temperatures safe for human touch
http://askville.amazon.com/temperat...d-cool-cold/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=2164804
It would be helpful for Davinci to let us know what is considered a normal operating range for their units. The photo was taken 4 minutes into heat up at 430, something I would consider to be fairly typical for an oil jar session..
My unofficial internets search yielded the following results regarding temperatures safe for human touch
http://askville.amazon.com/temperat...d-cool-cold/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=2164804
It would be helpful for Davinci to let us know what is considered a normal operating range for their units. The photo was taken 4 minutes into heat up at 430, something I would consider to be fairly typical for an oil jar session..
grokit
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This is actually a really insightful idea. Besides convection and conduction, we know there are other heating methods such as radiation that can assist in the efficient extraction of the active ingredients, which is essentially the ideal that we're trying to achieve when vaporizing. OT but I have observed that the sublimator appears to combine these various methods, as an avb load appears to be darker in the middle than the outer crust is when it stays intact after being dumped post-extraction.
So by adding a bit of moisture to dry herb, we're adding steam heat to the extraction process. I can see how this can be an excellent method as a trained chef, when I was working professionally we would often employ steam heat for various reasons. One is that it increases the effective temperature of cooking (extraction) throughout the food (herb); another is that it prevents burning (akin to combustion).
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poonman
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I like to add a dab of oil/ reclaim / qwiso in my herbs .
It def. gives more volume vapor hits , extra hits in fact . ime
There's a Solo thread .
Poopman525
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Actually as it's shown in the directions you can turn the heater off by pushing the settings button once and then the "-" button. This will shut the heater off, pushing the settings button and then the "+" button turns the heater back on.
Not saying specifically you, but I get the sense most people have not actually read the directions.
theCerberus
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I was told never to smoke or vape flower that water had spilled on from my dispensaries.
I believe this is for fear of mold, but I will not do it simply because they(multiple dispensaries) said so.
I have noticed when my friends have gotten water on their flower it definitely crackles as it burns, not sure if thats bad for you though.
I believe this is for fear of mold, but I will not do it simply because they(multiple dispensaries) said so.
I have noticed when my friends have gotten water on their flower it definitely crackles as it burns, not sure if thats bad for you though.
grokit
well-worn member
There's also the auto-shutoff accelerometer, which is time-adjustable. But that's not the issue.
Shutting the unit off will not prevent the remaining load from being wasted, the problem is that it will continue to roast away with the held heat around the bowl. It wouldn't be as bad if you open the unit up to let it ventilate, and it would be slightly worse if you just jam it into a pocket.
If it was fully saturated and heated enough, the resulting steam could easily break glass units or melt/warp plastic that would be okay otherwise. A little moisture will go a long way so it's a good policy imo.
@poonman: As far as adding oil that won't create steam, but offer more concentrated active ingredients to extract so bigger clouds.
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No, I've been trying all weekend and it won't go away. I have not been able to speak to anyone at DaVinci either. I have tried calling them four times today and sent them an email on Saturday and have gotten nothin'.
theCerberus
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Thats odd, I spoke to DV about an hour ago just by calling their main line.
The rep I spoke to told me that people had successfully burned off the "curing" after about 20 runs on 430F. He also told me it was perfectly safe to inhale, but I dont feel like risking it.
He suggested first ISO swabbing the entire vapor path, including the bowl and rubber as well, I tried but it didnt seem to reduce the smell.
OF
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I'd be a little careful here. Your 'source' is taking about water temperature, an entirely different risk than dry contact.
The temperature you display is about 50C. I've spent many happy hours in a 50C and 0C bake chamber qualifying Coast Guard approved shipboard safety gear. 50C (and freezing) are not uncommon working temperatures on bridges, guys are expected to run controls at that temperature. Like I said, our gear had to run 100 hours at 50C (12 at zero) started at least once a shift (originally was per watch, but they backed off) so we had to go in to cycle power and do the initialize routine to get them back in operation again. So OK, I like about the happy hours, but they were hours spent safely operating gear at 50C plus self heating.
50C is not dangerous to touch by my experience. It's getting there, but not a threat yet. 65 or 70 are more typical numbers I think. I recall something in my dark past that required the parts of the machine over that to have heatshields and warning labels. Transformers are often rated for 70C, sometimes more. In some of those cases the transformers had shields and labels under the covers.
Try shooting your morning coffee cup with your pyrometer, I bet you get similar numbers?
Comfortable is another matter, of course. Few of us buy vapes to get more pain.....at least not intentionally?
OF
sam reynolds
because "Samantha" is a mouthful.
Sorry, not sure what issue that's meant to address. Are you talking about the herb cooking away? Wouldn't turning the heat off and on just make it worse, since you're more frequently waiting for the bowl to come up to temp?
Turning the heat off doesn't bring the temp down to zero. It's still going to cook away as it cools.
Nope. It's over 60°C--61.6, to be exact--and 143°F ambient temperature is not something I'd ever want to deal with. In layman's terms, that's really fucking hot.
And my morning coffee cups feel nowhere near as hot as our ascent gets...unless I'm at starbucks and didn't get the sleeve. But then I ask for a sleeve, and I'm fine.
I don't want to need a sleeve to vape.
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I've tried every number they have and dialed extension 601 and I keep getting their v-mail (and have left a message). Kinda frustrating not to be able to talk to someone. I have literally tried all day today.
Honestly, I've run this thing for well over an hour of combined sessions and it's not burning off. When I tried this morning, I found the smoke to actually be worse than before.
Also, if it is curing, then it's a chemical gas release so I can't imagine it's good to inhale it.
Hexi
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Exactly. Temperature is only one variable in terms of what will burn you. The classic physics example is pizza.
Pizza comes out of the oven all at the same high temp (600f + brick oven) but what burns your mouth the most? Crust, Sauce or Cheese? Not the crust, but the cheese. Why? Because it has more heat. In other words, the oils etc. in the cheese overall hold more energy, stored as heat than the crust. The sauce is the wildcard since it could be oily or mostly water etc.. and how much sauce