sneezyjesus
Lightly Toasted
The led aspect of the MZ is quite the plus imo. I do agree with the old style meets new cool glowy thing 
IAmKrazy2
Darth Vapor
Felt like I already typed this message... did i space on the "submit" button an hour or so ago?
Already have the PD. Am currently temporary owner of an old softwood Zap. Will have a MZ soon. Obviously will not comment on or ascetics of units. I will not comment on inner workings. Simply hit taste, thickness, heat retention, and any other actual functional differences. I also will need to assess the differences in the vape tubes. The softwood zap I acquired did not come with any tubes.
Rick, already ordered an MZ. I'm the guy who didn't need power supplies, just lots of vape tubes. I hope a comparison in pure function will not cause too much forum tension. But i am damn looking forward to it.
Already have the PD. Am currently temporary owner of an old softwood Zap. Will have a MZ soon. Obviously will not comment on or ascetics of units. I will not comment on inner workings. Simply hit taste, thickness, heat retention, and any other actual functional differences. I also will need to assess the differences in the vape tubes. The softwood zap I acquired did not come with any tubes.
Rick, already ordered an MZ. I'm the guy who didn't need power supplies, just lots of vape tubes. I hope a comparison in pure function will not cause too much forum tension. But i am damn looking forward to it.
I should be the tester because I've never used either a PD or a MZ. Am new to vaping but totally "get it" just from using my vapor genie a couple times now and having used a Volcano once. Have written reviews of products in the past for various web sites. Can be very thorough and cover all aspects of the functioning of the 2 units. I am unbiased. I couldn't care less one wins the test. I have no vested interest at all.Rick said:
My only issue with the MZ has been the brass and the warranty. I am almost convinced the brass is a non-issue. As to the warranty, it probably is a non-issue too, although I still would feel better with at least a year warranty. But the test isn't about that, it's about function right? So, no problem. Okay, it's decided then... I'll do it!
Actually, though, I think it is very possible that there is no "best" vaporizer. Like music, where one's own hearing ability and one's own personal taste are major factors, it could be that one's aesthetic sensibility and one's preferences for a particular type of vapor experience will vary and will be a factor in which vaporizer one ultimately prefers.
p.s. I NEED a vape. All I have is this Vapor Genie! (which is fine, but it's not what I ultimately want) As a matter of fact, my choice is right now exactly between the PD and the MZ, so if I were get to try both, I can choose the one which functions best.
reece
Well-Known Member
I think you're analogy with music only applies to the aesthetics of each unit. It is subjective. I saw someone recently post that the only reason they got the PD instead of the MZ was he liked the look of the PD more. I am the opposite. I think the MZ's are generally more striking, although some of those custom PD's (which are no longer available) are very nice. Determining function should be less subjective.
reece, I knew I was going out on a limb there! Thanks for bringing me back towards the trunk. 
But determining function for example: Let's say the MZ produces a thicker vapor - in general; and the PD produces a lighter vapor in general. Or vice versa. I don't know what is true and it doesn't matter to me. The point is, if one produces a thicker vapor, is that good or is that better? Which is best? It depends on the person. Right? There is a certain range within which "it's all good"; but one person might prefer thicker, one might prefer lighter. That's what I was trying to say.
Is it possible one vape might work better with drier herb and one might work better with stickier herb? Which is best? Doesn't it depend on which type YOU prefer?
So, it is possible that a test of "only function" might come up with certain observations about the function: one produces thicker vapor, one produces a heavier taste, one produces the vapor 5 seconds quicker, etc. etc..
But will this mean one is "better" than the other?
But even if such a comparison would not produce an ultimate "winner", it would perhaps answer the above questions somewhat definitively and help people decide which to buy.
But if they are both nearly equally good vaporizers, then it comes down to other factors, such as aesthetic appeal, design, etc.
OR, maybe one clearly IS better!
But determining function for example: Let's say the MZ produces a thicker vapor - in general; and the PD produces a lighter vapor in general. Or vice versa. I don't know what is true and it doesn't matter to me. The point is, if one produces a thicker vapor, is that good or is that better? Which is best? It depends on the person. Right? There is a certain range within which "it's all good"; but one person might prefer thicker, one might prefer lighter. That's what I was trying to say.
Is it possible one vape might work better with drier herb and one might work better with stickier herb? Which is best? Doesn't it depend on which type YOU prefer?
So, it is possible that a test of "only function" might come up with certain observations about the function: one produces thicker vapor, one produces a heavier taste, one produces the vapor 5 seconds quicker, etc. etc..
But will this mean one is "better" than the other?
But even if such a comparison would not produce an ultimate "winner", it would perhaps answer the above questions somewhat definitively and help people decide which to buy.
But if they are both nearly equally good vaporizers, then it comes down to other factors, such as aesthetic appeal, design, etc.
OR, maybe one clearly IS better!
dadesign
Well-Known Member
you know I am starting to think the fight between these two is purely a matter of taste. things perceived in your mind. like people thinking that something taste better then another. maybe it is all just a matter of personal views and leave it at that. maybe the differences are so small a minute (such as sub atomic) that only or minds perceive it as better
honestly I never bashed the PD just the people that supported it so militantly
i am done wondering about this issue and I will only refer to things as people have dubbed all mp3 players as ipod. seems PD has taken on that role. I don't care. I know my MZ works well and will continue to love it for what it is and what it is not. I will most certainly get a ssv sometime soon and those can be so different but all the fancy knobs, bowls, whips, stir stick don't make it any better or worse then someone elses SSV, just makes it personal and mine
honestly I never bashed the PD just the people that supported it so militantly
i am done wondering about this issue and I will only refer to things as people have dubbed all mp3 players as ipod. seems PD has taken on that role. I don't care. I know my MZ works well and will continue to love it for what it is and what it is not. I will most certainly get a ssv sometime soon and those can be so different but all the fancy knobs, bowls, whips, stir stick don't make it any better or worse then someone elses SSV, just makes it personal and mine
Rick
Zapman
IAMKRAZY
Yours is scheduled to go out tomorrow(Sat) for a Monday/Tuesday arrival.
We are running a bit behind lately but will catch up soon.
Dadesign
The "fight" between us is more than a matter of taste. The other guy had this type of Vape all to himself here on FC before we showed up. More than just taste though. I still say you all would not have seen the other heatport without competition. Maybe that is it, maybe some do not like competition. It sure is good for the customer though. I love it.
I still say what comes out of the vapor stem is what counts, not how it gets there. But that is just my opinion.
Yours is scheduled to go out tomorrow(Sat) for a Monday/Tuesday arrival.
We are running a bit behind lately but will catch up soon.
Dadesign
The "fight" between us is more than a matter of taste. The other guy had this type of Vape all to himself here on FC before we showed up. More than just taste though. I still say you all would not have seen the other heatport without competition. Maybe that is it, maybe some do not like competition. It sure is good for the customer though. I love it.
I still say what comes out of the vapor stem is what counts, not how it gets there. But that is just my opinion.
One question to MZ users and/or Rick:
Do you dry your herb to some degree before vaporizing it in the MZ or do you put it in sticky? Do you grind it or do you put in a piece of bud?
I know I do need to read more on the MZ page, this is probably addressed there. But I'm also wondering in PRACTICE what people do and what works, as much as what one is supposed to do...
Rick, I admire your welcoming competition in a friendly "Battle of the Vapes"! If the PD and MZ spur each other on to make innovations and changes for the better, certainly that is good for us consumers!
Do you dry your herb to some degree before vaporizing it in the MZ or do you put it in sticky? Do you grind it or do you put in a piece of bud?
I know I do need to read more on the MZ page, this is probably addressed there. But I'm also wondering in PRACTICE what people do and what works, as much as what one is supposed to do...
Rick, I admire your welcoming competition in a friendly "Battle of the Vapes"! If the PD and MZ spur each other on to make innovations and changes for the better, certainly that is good for us consumers!
dadesign
Well-Known Member
oh believe me I think the other manufacture is really playing dirty pool and showing the stuff and then implying it was not labeled as your is just low. but I still do see the insides as being different, but does it matter...who knows. just like the videos to demonstrate how durable it is just sensationalism to sell. who throws the thing up to see how high it can stand to work...in any event, I am just saying that as a consumer it is a matter of taste as you say it is what comes out that matters, but as far as selling well that is why this exists
i still think they both do what they do and us as consumer will choose according to our own views and taste. I chose mine because of the looks and availability and I think it is still your strong point too.
competition is very healthy but playing dirty like that ticks me off
i still think they both do what they do and us as consumer will choose according to our own views and taste. I chose mine because of the looks and availability and I think it is still your strong point too.
competition is very healthy but playing dirty like that ticks me off
The_Algebraist
Well-Known Member
Uh oh, fan boys are coming out to play!!!!!
I can already see it now,
".... there is no one BEST vape..."
"....the PD is the best.. all lead free construction..."
"...no the MZ is the best...."
"...thick clouds...."
"....means it's NOT efficient....."
".... only uses .01 grams...."
and so on and so forth
I can already see it now,
".... there is no one BEST vape..."
"....the PD is the best.. all lead free construction..."
"...no the MZ is the best...."
"...thick clouds...."
"....means it's NOT efficient....."
".... only uses .01 grams...."
and so on and so forth
The_Algebraist
Well-Known Member
When it comes to said vapes, i think things will quickly turn into
Rick
Zapman
Hey Dadesign. Please dispense with the dirty pool comments. People can figure out what they will without us accusing somebody of dirty pool or dirty. I really want to keep this nice over here. We already have IamKRAZY doing a comparison based on his evaluation. Lets see what happens. Maybe it will be close(my expectation) or maybe it will be a blowout with the 21st century technology. He will be getting his early next week so it should not be too long before we hear something.
MoeontheMOON
We do dry and crumble to a medium crumble. Not too fine. Dry seems to make clearer vapor and make it very easily. Remember, you need lots of surface area for the hot air to thoroughly penetrate the load.
MoeontheMOON
We do dry and crumble to a medium crumble. Not too fine. Dry seems to make clearer vapor and make it very easily. Remember, you need lots of surface area for the hot air to thoroughly penetrate the load.
You really should just try experimenting and find what you like best. When I first started I was drying the bud out. Not anymore, I love the fresh taste. Sometime tho being too green I have to use my DBV instead.VapoFish said:Rick - is there any way you can provide a photo of what you consider to be the ideal "crumble" for the MZ.
I'd like to make sure I'm taking full advantage of my herb.
dadesign
Well-Known Member
i have took about an 1/8th and put it in a coffe grinder and almost dusted it. but I put it all in one container and what I should have done was tok the kief dust into a seperate container cause I put a bit on the end of a stem and man was I soaring
but right now a coffe grinder
but right now a coffe grinder
I use a space case scout. Dry stuff grinds up real easy in it and for the greener stuff I flip it and grind it a second time.VapoFish said:Do you grind your herb? Scissor it? Pound with a hammer?
There's lot's of people here that use small scissors to cut up your bud in a shot glass as well. Haven't tried that myself.
The biggest thing I find is it varies on how full I can fill the tubes depending on the strain I pick up that week, especially because I like to vape it green. Certain strains just lock up the tubes easier than others.
I know that wouldn't be as much a factor if I dried it out some, but like I said I like the taste.