dadesign
Well-Known Member
too late I posted them up here and figured everyone could see it but then deleted it.. and then I saw today all of that is conveniently erased..after he did that, I made it so I could not receive email from herereece said:
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dadesign
Well-Known Member
well meaning from now on. arguing on here is well just stupid, it does nothing but get people pissed off. my original reason was to play nice, but after I got attacked because I didn't feel the one issue was not a concern..OF MINE.. I got verbally jumped for it...then I tried to start a picture thread that was hijacked and promptly closed..NoSmoke said:dadesign said:NoSmoke said:
I am here to learn and not get pissed off
I give up, I am just going to share in a general sense and not try to break the tension anymore.
reece
Well-Known Member
Hmm. Why be purposefully confrontational? Couldn't you just ask, "why do you prefer smoking after so many years of vaping?" I remember not long ago replying sarcastically to a sarcastic comment. I was read the riot act by you and received a threatening email from another troubled soul. Now you are admittedly being a bit confrontational. If someone takes your bait will it be a replay of my situation? Will the person replying to you be deemed in the wrong? Will that then justify a hateful, threatening attempt at intimidation from another member? And all of it could probably have been avoided, had you chosen another tack and not been confrontational.lwien said:
You may call it being "challenged" but the subject of said "challenge" may see it as having their integrity questioned without any proof. The burden is on you to prove your accusation. You may not realize it, but your bias shines through despite your attempts at being neutral. Do you really think calling someone a hypocrite is productive?
reece
Well-Known Member
You should still inform Vtac. If they were deleted from here, he or some mod is aware of it. Just make sure he is aware. Maybe Vtac can produce a copy. Vtac says he is harmless and sometimes stupid but just in case he is more than an internet tough guy, in case he is actually crazy and decides to go farther in defense of Purple Days, you will have evidence of harassment.dadesign said:
Rick
Zapman
Dry vs not, Reese. We do like dry. I think extra pulls from not dry are water vapor. I would think they have to be.
Aren't these experiments neat? Not very scientific but useful in my book.
Iwien
I understand your points and frustration with understanding my what? Non purism? Hypocrisy? call it what you will. I started using an Eterra when I had a lung problem. Then we started Aromazap because of very lousy customer support from Eterra. Lung problem went away. I continued vaping through all that. Then I got by some smoke in a drunken gab session with friends. And then and then. So I like smoke. Do I stop making a good product? That works fine? Pat, aka Zaplady, has only vaped with an AZ/MZ since '01. Never any smoke. Do we get any credit for that?
Another thing. I am a risk taker to some degree. I come from two sides of my family being alcoholics. I eat too much meat and love bacon and farm fresh eggs. I also probably drink too much since we make our own 'shine and I love it. I don't eat every vegee we grow all the time but we grow really good vegees. So where do we draw the line? Hell, would be much easier just to deny it if it ever came up. Say, "ya, I smoked for awhile but am back vaping 100%".
All I am saying is smoke knocks me down more and that is what I like. I could go on and on but will just say life is like that. Nobodys perfect. There always seems to be some conflict with most of us.
Bottom line is do we make a good vape? Is there any proof vapor from it is harmful in any way?
Ah, just sipped off some homeade Tennessee Bourbon. Zaplady just made a bottle. Set for a few days.
R
Aren't these experiments neat? Not very scientific but useful in my book.
Iwien
I understand your points and frustration with understanding my what? Non purism? Hypocrisy? call it what you will. I started using an Eterra when I had a lung problem. Then we started Aromazap because of very lousy customer support from Eterra. Lung problem went away. I continued vaping through all that. Then I got by some smoke in a drunken gab session with friends. And then and then. So I like smoke. Do I stop making a good product? That works fine? Pat, aka Zaplady, has only vaped with an AZ/MZ since '01. Never any smoke. Do we get any credit for that?
Another thing. I am a risk taker to some degree. I come from two sides of my family being alcoholics. I eat too much meat and love bacon and farm fresh eggs. I also probably drink too much since we make our own 'shine and I love it. I don't eat every vegee we grow all the time but we grow really good vegees. So where do we draw the line? Hell, would be much easier just to deny it if it ever came up. Say, "ya, I smoked for awhile but am back vaping 100%".
All I am saying is smoke knocks me down more and that is what I like. I could go on and on but will just say life is like that. Nobodys perfect. There always seems to be some conflict with most of us.
Bottom line is do we make a good vape? Is there any proof vapor from it is harmful in any way?
Ah, just sipped off some homeade Tennessee Bourbon. Zaplady just made a bottle. Set for a few days.
R
lwien
Well-Known Member
Hmm........I don't recall calling anyone a hypocrite, although my analogies may have implied that.reece said:
I just feel that dietitians should eat well, that personal trainers should be in good shape, that doctors should not smoke, and that people who make things actually use the products that they make.
If a dietitian does not eat well, I believe that it's safe to assume that they don't believe in the advice that they give others. Assumption? Yes, but I think a fairly safe assumption to make. Same thing with a doctor who smokes.
Vaporizers are a healthier way to consume our bud, and when a vaporizer manufacturer states that he doesn't vape, but smokes instead, than I think it would also be a safe assumption that he doesn't believe that smoking poses more of a health risk than vaping or that he does believe it, but just doesn't give a shit.
Are my assumptions way off base here? I don't think so.
Edit: After just reading Ricks post above, I think my above assumption is correct regarding the health issue and just not giving a shit about it regarding the advantages of vapor over smoke.
For me, I would just rather go to a doctor who takes care of himself, to a personal trainer who is in good shape, to a dietitian who eats well, and to buy a vaporizer from a manufacturer who believes in the health benefits of the product that he is manufacturing.
This is a quote from Ricks site:
"What is vapor and why is it better than smoke?
In a word, the answer is HEALTH! Healthy lungs, healthy body and healthy mind. In a perfect world we would not introduce anything into our bodies except healthy food, pure water and pure air. BUT, since we are all living in the real world, some of us choose to introduce *other* substances into our bodies for one reason or another. Many of us choose to smoke those substances. Smoking requires combustion. Combustion produces tars, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and other harmful by-products. Smoke is not good for us, even if that smoke contains a small amount of something that IS good for us. VAPOR provides a healthier alternative than smoke. With Aromazap, warm air is passed through and around the herbal material, gently volatizing all essential oils into a fine vapor. All combustion by-products are eliminated with our vaporizer as temperatures are not high enough for combustion. Vapor does have an odor but not the familiar 'smoke' odor. Rather, the smell is very similar to that of the fresh herb being vaporized. Vapor also has a different effect than smoke on the user. Vapor is cleaner and more 'medicinal' in it's effects than smoke. Since there are no tars in vapor, the taste is different too. Some people, when first experiencing vapor, think they are getting only air as the normal 'taste' of smoke is missing. They soon find out they got what they bargained for though as the familiar *expansion effect* associated with smoke will still happen.....albeit a bit sneaky as one is not expecting it. The real truth about vapor comes after a week or so of using vapor only and then giving smoke a try. The smoke will taste like hot thick tar. "
So this marketing blurb is an attempt to convince potential customers that vapor is better than smoke, and yet the person who, in effect, wrote it, and more importantly, endorses it, does not vape, but in fact, smokes ?
Is this not a bit odd, or am I out in left field somewhere.
dadesign
Well-Known Member
I just had some good bacon...anyway, I think vaporizing brings people in that love the Bud but don't like what the smoke does. I was in a bar that was supposed to be smoke free. I was meeting a girl who smoked but I figured it would be ok cause it is a smoke free bar...HA that place was in a thick haze...made the meeting go bad too.. Smoke really bothers my throat alot, even Nutrasweet bothers it. When I started using I never knew about vaping. I figured to get what I wanted I had to deal with some smoke..in smoking and the smoking bar with the girl. neither worked outRick said:
now that I found vaping...even out of that weird china box, I knew I could not go back to smoking. there is just too many benefits to it. I wish I would have found it before I hit a bong, I would have never stopped doing it..no matter what I did it out of
Hey Rick what quality of herb do you comsume commercial, midgrade, or high? Please don't take offense in me asking you this I am just trying to figure out why you prefer smoking over vaping, because I find that when its anything below high grade I much perfer smoking over vaping because of the taste and a better stone.
Rick
Zapman
Iwien said
yes, I do not know how to do all the quotes properly)
"So this marketing blurb is an attempt to convince potential customers that vapor is better than smoke, and yet the person who, in effect, wrote it, and more importantly, endorses it, does not vape, but in fact, smokes ?
Is this not a bit odd, or am I out in left field somewhere."
Call it a marketing blurb if you will but it is the truth. I believed it and I believe it. I just do not run my life on the safe side. So how big a deal is that? I still make a good product and believe thoroughly in it. I just prefer to smoke. Geeesus .................am I a fucking sinner or what?
BTW, I am in left field too. And a bit odd.
R
Nosmoke
You may have a point there. I stopped making my own a few years back. And I know where it comes from needs improvement. I will ponder the timing of the two events..............
yes, I do not know how to do all the quotes properly)"So this marketing blurb is an attempt to convince potential customers that vapor is better than smoke, and yet the person who, in effect, wrote it, and more importantly, endorses it, does not vape, but in fact, smokes ?
Is this not a bit odd, or am I out in left field somewhere."
Call it a marketing blurb if you will but it is the truth. I believed it and I believe it. I just do not run my life on the safe side. So how big a deal is that? I still make a good product and believe thoroughly in it. I just prefer to smoke. Geeesus .................am I a fucking sinner or what?
BTW, I am in left field too. And a bit odd.
R
Nosmoke
You may have a point there. I stopped making my own a few years back. And I know where it comes from needs improvement. I will ponder the timing of the two events..............
lwien
Well-Known Member
Two things, Rick. Marketing blurbs and the "truth" are not mutually exclusive. They can be one in the same.Rick said:
Secondly, I'm no trying to infer that you are any kind of sinner or anything less than an honorable person.
Listen, I don't run my life on the safe side either. Rode scooters (motorcycles) for 5 years before wearing helmets around here was mandatory and never wore one. I dropped acid every weekend back in the 70's while doing multiple grams of coke daily along with uppers in the daytime and ludes at night. Oh, and I also smoked 3 packs of cigs a day. So believe me, I totally understand not living on the safe side.
But when you say that you believe thoroughly in your product and yet refuse to use it but smoke instead, it just seems very contradictory, no?
And again, using my dumb analogies, to me, it's no different than going to a dietitian and while she's drawing me up a healthy eating plan, she's chowing down on Big Mac and fries. Now again, this surely doesn't mean that this dietitian doesn't know what she's talking about, but it would still be a very odd situation and would cause me to doubt many of her recommendations. Hell, if she really believed in them than why isn't she doing them?
See where I'm coming from with this?
Rick
Zapman
Iwien
I do not refuse to vape. I vape often actually as we test our units before shipping. I just like smoke too. So I'm and old one(63). Smoke is in my genes.
And heck, don't anyone take my endorsement. That is fine with me. After all I smoke.
Some of us are purists, some are not. See, I never went through that risky stuff when I was younger so I need to do it now. I have already lived longer than I ever dreamed(I would).
Vape on
R
I do not refuse to vape. I vape often actually as we test our units before shipping. I just like smoke too. So I'm and old one(63). Smoke is in my genes.
And heck, don't anyone take my endorsement. That is fine with me. After all I smoke.
Some of us are purists, some are not. See, I never went through that risky stuff when I was younger so I need to do it now. I have already lived longer than I ever dreamed(I would).
Vape on
R
Live and let live is not a bad way to go.
That said, I also think that if a manufacturer makes statements that appear to be counterintuitive to what a consumer would expect from that manufacturer, that manufacturer should expect to be subject to questions - and rightly so IMO.
Vaporizer producer smokes...film at 11:00. A little much? I think so. While it is worth questioning, it's not newsworthy.
And, since evidence regarding medicinal use and delivery systems is either new, unreproduced, nonexistant, and/or empirical and circumstantial - it really comes down to a preference in delivery methods.
I, for one, am happy there are individuals willing to believe enough in different technologies to produce them as options for others - like me - even if they decide those options aren't for them. Regardless of what the guy who made my vaporizer does, I'm glad he made my vaporizer.
That said, I also think that if a manufacturer makes statements that appear to be counterintuitive to what a consumer would expect from that manufacturer, that manufacturer should expect to be subject to questions - and rightly so IMO.
Vaporizer producer smokes...film at 11:00. A little much? I think so. While it is worth questioning, it's not newsworthy.
And, since evidence regarding medicinal use and delivery systems is either new, unreproduced, nonexistant, and/or empirical and circumstantial - it really comes down to a preference in delivery methods.
I, for one, am happy there are individuals willing to believe enough in different technologies to produce them as options for others - like me - even if they decide those options aren't for them. Regardless of what the guy who made my vaporizer does, I'm glad he made my vaporizer.
Rick
Zapman
As I get older I really wonder what "taken much better care of myself" means. I think it is very subjective, not just "eat this and dont eat that, don't drink this, exercise, keep busy, etc" I think where we put our mind/attitude has much to do with our health or lack of health and our longetivity. I have come to the conclusion attitude has more to do with our health than anything else we do here on earth. Genes for sure will override much but I have observed many different kinds of people over the years. Many care-free, happy go lucky folks live and live and live. On the same hand many of us who worry about this or that all the time and live super safe with zero body fat, etc often are not happy. And do not necessarily live a long life. My doctor even told me that. He sees people drink, smoke, play and live a long tiime. He also sees people do everything "right" and die young.
Who knows what the answer is. I do know I am not changing back to always being "safe". No damn fun for me. Kinda like Heaven. Who the heck wants to hang out with a bunch of people in white robes?
Probably should have this one in the lounge.
R
Who knows what the answer is. I do know I am not changing back to always being "safe". No damn fun for me. Kinda like Heaven. Who the heck wants to hang out with a bunch of people in white robes?
Probably should have this one in the lounge.
R
I may be going to hell in a bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride.lwien said:
Hi there! First post here but got my Myrtlezap on Monday and all I can say is WOW! This thing gets me super baked! or as you say vaked! Really couldn't believe how small it is. Getting great vapor clouds as am learning the best ways to pack the stem. Currently using the straw method and the looser bowls seem to do better. Thanks Rick!
On a side not I also have a PD on order. I ordered that first but couldnt wait and was lucky enough to get a settlement check from a smokeless tobacco case (OH the irony) and ordered both. Will post pics of the MZap after a good oiling.
Dizzy
On a side not I also have a PD on order. I ordered that first but couldnt wait and was lucky enough to get a settlement check from a smokeless tobacco case (OH the irony) and ordered both. Will post pics of the MZap after a good oiling.
Dizzy
