B.
War Criminal
So I've had my zap for a couple of days now, and it rocks. Very happy with my purchase. I also got the 13.5v plug, I like having options for the temp. The 12v def tastes better, but the 13.5 releases some goodies that the 12v doesn't. If you're thinking about taking the plunge, do it. You'll be happy.
Thanks Rick.
Thanks Rick.
Thanks for the tip Aero. Actually, though I did have less water before. What you see here is the water from the 2 big ice cubes that melted.aero18 said:MoeOnTheMoon, you are putting too much water in your bong. You are supposed to put enough water to just cover the slits of the diffuser.
This will help with the drag!
Rick: I do use the short stem, but at that time I already had a long stem loaded up so I used that.
As to the loop, I usually have the Zap at the back of my desk and use the long tube to connect to the bong, then I can just reach over and pull the bong over to me or tilt it. I'm not sure - I'll have to try it with a shorter tube - but I don't think it really makes much difference, longer, shorter, looped or not looped - as long as it's not TOO long. (It's 2 feet.) I have extra tubing so I may try one at about 18".
But this system seems to work very well actually. I like the way the Launch Box glass piece rotates around with the tube when it moves, and it's a very good fit and comes on and off the stem and the tubing very easily.
Sometimes I just use 6" of the 1/2" tube (not seen in the photo) to take a quick hit right off the MZ without water, the 6" of tubing does help cool it a bit, but there's nothing like cooling with water and ice in my humble opinion!
That looks like a nice set up mnmlh! I like the bong, though I opted for a much smaller one due to price and ability to fit it into my briefcase where I keep it wrapped in a towel. (No I don't take it to work, this is an old retired briefcase.)mnmlh said:
I find that the 1/2" tubing, while it works very well, does endanger the Zap in terms of knocking it over if you make any sudden movements because it's so big and relatively heavy.
That's why so far I like the 1/4" tubing better because it is much lighter and thinner and does not cause the Zap to move. There is a more restricted air flow with the smaller tubing but it's really not an issue, I find that I just inhale a little harder but in a way it's better for me as I have noticed I tend to want to get huge hits and blow out a lot of vapor, but that seems unnecessary and wasteful. So with the smaller tube I get more reasonable sized hits without trying too hard and if I really want a huge hit I can still get it. The 1/4" tubing also does not crease nearly as easily.
But it's all about what each person likes, like with vaporizers - there is no "best", it's just about what you like. I am still experimenting so it is very possible I might even go back to using the 1/2" tubing, myself.
mnmlh
Well-Known Member
I had an idea so I researched online under "mug holders" to see if there might be something that helps stabilize the MZ, so it can be used on a coffee table, kind of like a super efficient whip-style vape and lo and behold, I ran across this thing: http://www.colonialmedical.com/product.php?productid=20223MoeOnTheMoon said:
"Marine cup holders" also netted interesting search results.
Might be too big though.
Another view:
Man, I need one of these just for coffee!
Damn, when I went shopping for glass this piece in your picture is exactly what I had in mind, but could find nothing like it after checking about 7 glass places.Cr8z13 said:I practically forgot about the glass piece that came with my Vaporstar. Turns out it fits my MZ stems nicely. This is what it looks like, though mine doesn't have a glass bowl:
http://www.paradox.co.uk/acatalog/JGH15B.jpg
I must say, vaping is even more fun with glass.
Any idea where I can order one like that? It came with your Vaporstar, eh? Not sure what that is but I'll look it up on the net... How big is it, more or less?
Anyone ever seen one like this for sale on a web site?
I was trying to think of something that would stablize it, too... The color of that one doesn't do much for me though I'm sure it would work... Actually it's a good design for what it's designed for.mnmlh said:
Hey, Rick here's a new accessory you can build:
A wooden "tray" with a holder for the Zap to keep it stable for us TubeZappers...
Or maybe someone else should start this little "Cottage industry". Okay, right, not that many of us. Never mind!
If you were using it with 3 or more people, yeah, you'd probably want to stabilize the Zap. With mine on my desk, just for me, there is about zero danger of my knocking it over with the 1/4" ID tube and the LB glass stem connector. With the bigger tubing and/or with more people using it, this could definitely be an issue, though.
Cr8z13
Well-Known Member
The online shop I got mine from no longer sells them but I found this one:MoeOnTheMoon said:Damn, when I went shopping for glass this piece in your picture is exactly what I had in mind, but could find nothing like it after checking about 7 glass places.Cr8z13 said:I practically forgot about the glass piece that came with my Vaporstar. Turns out it fits my MZ stems nicely. This is what it looks like, though mine doesn't have a glass bowl:
http://www.paradox.co.uk/acatalog/JGH15B.jpg
I must say, vaping is even more fun with glass.
Any idea where I can order one like that? It came with your Vaporstar, eh? Not sure what that is but I'll look it up on the net... How big is it, more or less?
Anyone ever seen one like this for sale on a web site?
http://www.grasscity.com/glass-bong-11.html
Thanks Cr8z13, is yours about the same as that one, 7" tall?Cr8z13 said:The online shop I got mine from no longer sells them but I found this one:MoeOnTheMoon said:Damn, when I went shopping for glass this piece in your picture is exactly what I had in mind, but could find nothing like it after checking about 7 glass places.Cr8z13 said:I practically forgot about the glass piece that came with my Vaporstar. Turns out it fits my MZ stems nicely. This is what it looks like, though mine doesn't have a glass bowl:
http://www.paradox.co.uk/acatalog/JGH15B.jpg
I must say, vaping is even more fun with glass.
Any idea where I can order one like that? It came with your Vaporstar, eh? Not sure what that is but I'll look it up on the net... How big is it, more or less?
Anyone ever seen one like this for sale on a web site?
http://www.grasscity.com/glass-bong-11.html
My only problem with this one is that it seems to be taller/thinner so looks to be less stable than yours, am I right? Could be the photos but yours appears to be more stable than the one at grasscity. What I would want is one with the same design as yours (or just like yours, it seems) that would not tip easily.
But now that I know such a thing exists I can do my own search for it. I looked at about 7 stores on Venice Beach where they have tons of glass and no one had one like that, so I thought no one made them. I guess I do like the fact that my bong has the ice thingie in it, though, to hold ice. But other than that, I'd have rather had one like yours I think.
Ash
vaporist
Moe, how tall is your tube and where did you get it? I've got a 10" beaker that I bought when I was combusting. Perfect daily driver for combusting, but feels big for vaping with the VS or the PD. Your's looks smaller. The shortest I've seen are the EHLE, which I think are 9". This is still taller than I want.
Great setup. I'm just puting my stems right to the GONG joint on my beaker. I guess it's just a matter of time before I pick up the adapter so I can try it with the tubing.
Great setup. I'm just puting my stems right to the GONG joint on my beaker. I guess it's just a matter of time before I pick up the adapter so I can try it with the tubing.
Ash,Ash said:
my glass is 9" tall and I got it at Venice Beach at a place that makes their own glass. As far as I know there is no web site for them.
I wanted a short one too and this was the shortest I could find that met my other requirements. I love the ice catcher feature and I think it looks pretty nice too.
I thought the EHLE was bigger! It looks bigger than mine in the photos! Must be an illusion then. It has the 14mm GonG that fits the newer Zap stems perfectly but for 1/2ID tubing the best bet would be a 14mm Vapor Bros H2O adapter piece for $9.95. Problem is, they want $6-7 to ship it so I'm going to try to find one here locally since this is where they make the units. However as you see in the photo I am using the 1/4" ID tubing instead which you have to find a different GonG adapter for.
KR8Z13,
I thought yours looked like it had a wider bottom piece. Is yours pretty stable or is it easily knocked over? How big is the bottom round piece on yours? I could write or call grasscity and ask them how big theirs is to compare.
AGBeer
Lost in Thought
Just grab a few of those recycled cardboard drink carriers that you get at your local convenience store. It can feisably be used at least 4 times (there are 4 cup holders) and it may just help keep your zap from tipping.
Damn I need to get some glass. I just stumbled across a buddy who has a buddy who blows glass.
Damn I need to get some glass. I just stumbled across a buddy who has a buddy who blows glass.
mnmlh
Well-Known Member
That's a damn good idea. I would like the option for with friends, but not like something I would leave out and use a lot.AGBeer said:
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I'm loving the EHLE. Got my preferred method down now, and have the tubing cut as short as possible for my purposes. It's a relatively compact setup. I just lift the stem out and clear the tube without lifting the adapter. Easy stuff and not really that cumbersome. It's the way to go if you want the ultimate experience imo, but don't expect miracles. If you still combust, the EHLE, while needing a much smaller bowl, is such a nice little piece to have around. Some of us can't afford, and have never had nice hard glass GonG piece before. For me, it's a very respectable little chunk of engineered glass art. I can't stop admiring it. I think I'm hooked on all this fancy glass shit I always swore off though over a decade of smoking.
SmokeTheState
Smokey The State Bear
Be careful when lifting the stem out of a GonG piece. It tends to causes fleabites and kinks. Especially on thinner glass such as EHLE.
Great pieces though. Not knocking them, I just know the heartbreak of discovering fleabits in your downstem joint because your buddy was too stoned too lift up the slide correctly.
Great pieces though. Not knocking them, I just know the heartbreak of discovering fleabits in your downstem joint because your buddy was too stoned too lift up the slide correctly.
Fleabits? Kinks? Do you mean little pieces of glass, knicks, or ? Not being a glass owner before I've never heard that term.SmokeTheState said:
Over the past 2 days I worked through this entire thread!
The one thing I found that is universally true and I think bears repeating here, for new users, is:
When you take the flower out, the MZ gets quite a bit hotter after half an hour or so. If you leave it off you will get hotter heavier hits.
Other than that, it's all about the stem. Some pack it tight with ground dried herb, some pack it looser with fresh herb, some pack it full, some pack it half full... all this is your choice based on your experience.
For the time being I am finding that a half-filled stem medium tightly packed with any herb (fresh or dry) ground in my Space Case 2-piece, gives me very good vapor. It seems that packing it full gives slightly bigger thicker hits, but I don't like to pack full, I always like to be ready for a change in strains. So I pack it half full or so, get a couple to three decent hits and then re-pack a different strain.
Just for the heck of it.
The one thing I found that is universally true and I think bears repeating here, for new users, is:
When you take the flower out, the MZ gets quite a bit hotter after half an hour or so. If you leave it off you will get hotter heavier hits.
Other than that, it's all about the stem. Some pack it tight with ground dried herb, some pack it looser with fresh herb, some pack it full, some pack it half full... all this is your choice based on your experience.
For the time being I am finding that a half-filled stem medium tightly packed with any herb (fresh or dry) ground in my Space Case 2-piece, gives me very good vapor. It seems that packing it full gives slightly bigger thicker hits, but I don't like to pack full, I always like to be ready for a change in strains. So I pack it half full or so, get a couple to three decent hits and then re-pack a different strain.
Just for the heck of it.
DevoTheStrange
Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
Tiny cracks and chips in the glass, called flea bites because it is a small crack that you dont usually notice it. Flea Bite is a pottery/ceramics term.MoeOnTheMoon said:
mnmlh
Well-Known Member
Ack! Just picked up a koozie, but it makes everything taste like foam and I have a headache now after one hit. I've never seen a koozie that was particularly different from another so I would think it's pretty universal, but this shit is gross. I went to several places, and nobody had a 13.5v, and I had to go to 6 places to find a fucking koozie. I'm pretty pissed right now. Anyone have this happen? Did the smell/taste go away? It's off-gassing heavy!
edit: well, I just hooked up the EHLE and with the long tube, it's not actually the taste coming from the MZ, which I swore it was, but some of the gasses going up my nose, because I did a test puff holding my nose and it seemed to be okay.
As far as the effects go - this is the way I will be doing it from now on and will be ordering a 13.5v. Much more like what I want to get out of my medication. The 12v might be good on busy days though. I'm pleasantly stoned right now. :thumbsup:
edit: well, I just hooked up the EHLE and with the long tube, it's not actually the taste coming from the MZ, which I swore it was, but some of the gasses going up my nose, because I did a test puff holding my nose and it seemed to be okay.
As far as the effects go - this is the way I will be doing it from now on and will be ordering a 13.5v. Much more like what I want to get out of my medication. The 12v might be good on busy days though. I'm pleasantly stoned right now. :thumbsup:
DevoTheStrange
Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
Taste it? How did you have your koozie on it?mnmlh said:
instead of Koozies use a tube sock
Cut off the elastic part of a tube sock and fold it in on itself so that it has two layers and slip that over your MZ. This way you have just cotton or the like touching your MZ.
remember a lot of koozies are designed to keep in the cold, not keep in the heat. Some may be made from materials that do not like heat.
Anyways, thanks for the heads up on these fleabites and whatnot.
SmokeTheState
Smokey The State Bear
Yep, thats it mostly.DevoTheStrange said:
That is why you should pull out your slide (bowl), it is attached to your downstem. It's light so it wont hurt the glass. Plus, if you fleabite the downstem, buying a new downstem is much cheaper than buying a new bong.
So;
When you pull out the slide(bowl), the only glass on glass contact is being made between the slide and the downstem. Downstems are somewhat expendable.
When you pull out the downstem, the only glass on glass contact is being made with your tube(bong), and the downstem, risking nicking the expensive tube. A tube is not expendable in most peoples eyes.
Pull that slide out, watch that downstem! You make much more direct contact with the downstem pull, so it has much higher chances of fleabites, and god forbid the downstem actually break off inside of your glass.
So why avoid fleabites? Because they weaken glass, give a less direct seal, and I think they give a higher tendency for joint lock.
EHLE's downstem joints are neither shallow nor thick, so more caution is necessary.
Sorry to spiel, I've seen many a good glass pieces go bad because people nick the crap out of their joints.
Google, keck clip.