Arizer Solo

Dreamerr

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Interesting, because i get the opposite effect. I have an oring in, with the stock stem. if the stem is all the way pushed in (especially if you actually push on it), airflow is somewhat/greatly reduced. if i back the stem out a millimeter, (or as small an increment as i can), airflow is back to hardly any resistance. With my custom blown GonG that has a semi wavy lip (lets some air in, and doesnt make contact with the bottom of the ss bowl all the way around) i dont really tell a difference. Which leads me to think that those 4 holes do have something to do with the airpath. But we are all here to figure this one out, so, on with it.

Lets say the ss bowl had no holes at all, a stock stem with a perfectly flat rim (idealistically) pushed all the way in would create a seal, giving us zero air flow. I think that those holes are only there to prevent that from ever happening, but aren't necessarily the output holes for hot air. I'm starting to realize more and more now that the heat output is obviously coming more from conduction from the walls and just the small/medium? amount of accumulated hot air in the bowl, between and around the walls and ss bowl, around the heater(which would need those little holes for hot air to travel to the bowl area, but that means hot air around wires and electronics... eh i'd rather not), etc. giving a bit of convection (the middle does vape... not only the sides).

There's my theory, sorry for the parentheses, they help in my head :tinfoil: . however, it only addresses why those holes would be there, not if they restrict air flow or not. All i'll say is,

With the stock stem, I can clearly tell the difference between the stem being pushed in all the way and backed out a bit when i use my bubbler. Maybe a little bit in draw restriction, but a lot a bit in vapor production, and i've tested that one a lotttt :freak:

My mistake, I was using a PVHES stem and it holds true for that stem. There was zero difference lifting or no lifting but the hes does have slits ugh. I am doodoo head. I will try a stock and see what my results are. I think you are onto something with the orange part. Woohoo you all got me doing something useful even though it doesn't matter to any of us :p

Edit: Now that I read all the posts I missed ignore everything above. I agree with Stu on all vapes have some conduction and that the solo might be 20% convection instead of 50/50.

Oh just ignore me today.
 

ataxian

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Thanks, I guess? I'm just not sure how all that might help me 'know' the vape in question. OK, you think it's cheap and good...... I agree, it also looks well thought out and made in California. It's just not a portable?

In keeping with the 'stay within your area of experience when commenting or advising' rule I've got no opinion on it that's useful I guess? If I was in the market for a replacement for my HA I'd consider it, but I'm not so I won't probably. Sorry, but even if it weren't a rule, I consider it good policy to not offer opinions that aren't backed up by something solid. Hopefully guys like you that have both can cover that for us?

I agree about science. It also has no gender or race. And little politics and religion. And in the end speaks a near universal language (mathematics, symbols and even Latin being more important than English, German, French, Spanish or whatever), IMO the most universal forum we as a race have? Pretty keen stuff, IMO. What you say and can prove counts way more than who you are, why or how you say it or other lesser important things.

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Of I have only respect for your knowagle I was only giving my experience with the Vapolution. Sorry if motive was confusing! LET'S BLAME the OG
 
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OF

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Of I have only respect for your knowagle I was only giving my experience with the Vapolution. Sorry if motive was confusing! LET'S BLAME the OG

No worries, I much appreciate your contributions.....you're by no means responsible for straightening me out....assuming that's possible. I believe I brought the confusion to the party and am taking it home with me. The OP tried to draw some parallels I couldn't relate to. To repeat, I couldn't relate to. I'm reluctant to get off familiar ground is all.

Thanks very much.

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michele

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Hi everyone! I want to give my contribution about the conduction/convection aspect.
First of all excuse me if this post doesn't come out clear, I'm doing my best, but english is not my language. Anyway, I think it's not exactly right to divide the way the heat is transfer in a vaporizer in conduction or convection.
I'll explayn myself better, when we say that a vaporizer uses convection as the form of heat exchange we mean that there is a hot fluid (air) tranferring energy (heat) to our solid material (herb) WHILE the fluid has a relative motion with respect to the solid. BUT the way this energy (heat) is tranferred is nothing but conduction that happens on the boundary layers between the fluid and the solid.
With this i mean that as long as the heat exchange happens between air and herb, even if the air is not moving, and not between a heating element (usually steel or ceramic) in direct contact with the herb, you have all the benefits of a "convection vape" (which is basically just the taste imo).
That being sayed I don't own a solo yet (it's on his way), so I can't be very specific, but as long as the herb doesn't touch the steel bowl (*) and as long as the glass doesn't get to hot the only way i can see the heat beenig tranferred is through the heated up air in the bowl (plus some irradiation due to the close distance with the bowl).
So to sum things up...even if the solo does produce some vapor when you are not drawing, I think it is still mainly imputable to the hot air and then still comparable to a pure "convection produced" vapor.

(*) don't know if this is really possible but i think using a screen in the bowl or in the bottom of the steem might make it.
 

mharding

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Nice post Michele.

As you'll see when yours arrives, the herb does rest in the steel bowl, and careful when you want to repack the stem - the glass gets hot.

For me, it's much of a muchness whether the herb is in contact with steel or glass or air, all at ~200° - as long as the herb isn't alight, it's vaporising.

It's great to have no smoke, no smell and no tobacco - I'm stoked!
 

b0

Cloudy...
It seems like my solo has a new travel friend :freak:

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Hydro-only

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b0 where did you get that stem to 14mm ground glass? do they have a 19mm adapter?
I know the internals are not comparable, but when people hook the solo to a water pipe it definitely looks just like the vapexhale cloud. Im going to order my solo from puffitup.com i know they have been recommended on this forum several times, but the price of $160 shipped almost seems to good to be true. Is puffitup selling the latest models of the solo?
 
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b0

Cloudy...
My solo is from puffitup too, you can't go wrong buying from Randy! The stem is a PVHEGonG turbo from planetvape, another of the best shops around :tup:
 
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I have one point I'd like to bring up regarding these O-rings, they exert downward force onto the botom of the solo, where the 4 screws are, as you tighten the top cap onto your solo, you'r smashing the o-ring flat, and it becomes hard to screw the cap on flush. I have three solo's in my nicer one's i don't tighten the top all the way down when i use an O-ring, reducing the pressure on the botom.

A few pages back i saw discussion on how to clean out the SS heater, when mine gunks-up i CAREFULLY break a razor blade into the right size to fit in the bowl, and then i scrape with the blade working in a circuler motion. I do this upside down so anything falls out of my solo, not into it.

Be careful breaking razorblades, always use a pair or pliers and hold the blade, and exert downward onto a hard surface, MAKE SURE TO COVER THES WITH A TOWEL AS YOU BREAK IT, FLYING RAZOR-BLAZE SHARS ARE VERY BAD!!!!
 
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I have one point I'd like to bring up regarding these O-rings, they exert downward force onto the botom of the solo, where the 4 screws are, as you tighten the top cap onto your solo, you'r smashing the o-ring flat, and it becomes hard to screw the cap on flush. I have three solo's in my nicer one's i don't tighten the top all the way down when i use an O-ring, reducing the pressure on the botom.

Very good point. Mine doesn't do that, it spins freely until the last 3/4 of a turn, but I can see how that might differ on the next Solo.

Care is advised, for sure. Good call. Thanks.

OF
 
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b0

Cloudy...
I had to cut the oring with an exacto knife to be able to screw the cap, but that wasn't a problem at all. Also found that when I use my PVHEGonG I like it more without the oring, best airflow for milking my bubblers :science: But I love it for dry use.
 

OF

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I had to cut the oring with an exacto knife to be able to screw the cap, but that wasn't a problem at all. Also found that when I use my PVHEGonG I like it more without the oring, best airflow for milking my bubblers :science: But I love it for dry use.

Interesting. I wonder if there will be Solos that are too 'short inside' for the 113 ring to work?

Thanks for the additional info. It's sounding like it's not a simple 'drop in', at least in some cases?

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spoutti

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I disassembled the Solo. Here are the results. Findings:

1. The unit runs on two 18650 LiPo cells configured as 2S terminating in an JST-RCY connector. The cells are typical OEM cells shrink wrapped in blue and matrix printed with among other things 7.2V 2200mAH.

2. There is a modificaiton that can be made that will increase air flow resulting in potentially better fluffier hits with the caveat that its more possible to get AVB in the air path.

Now for the sexy pictures:

Arizer Solo take-apart

Note: No person dead or alive will take responsibility for anything you do to your own Arizer Solo. If you fuck something up taking it apart look in the mirror for blame. In other words I will not take any responsibility for anything to do with you and your Solo. There is a chance you will break something. I do not encourage you to do anything with your Solo. You've been warned.

Remove the 4 small screws on the bottom of the solo. The unit slides apart:


With the chassis out of the case, you can see its in 2 pieces clipped together with a plastic tongue. Bending the tongue under will enable the pieces to come apart:


When they come apart you can see the battery pack (blue):



The battery sits loose in the case. The connector is wrapped in black:

The battery pack is two standard 18650's in 2S with total capacity of 2200mHA according to the print on the pack. This means simple 18650's can be used to replace the pack and even increasing capacity. Here is the pack and 2 standard 18650 cells:

The battery uses a JST-RCY connector. This is great because it makes exchanging the battery a lot easier. Soldering will be required however to put the replacement pack together unless you have a source for pre-made packs. The connectors are real JST connecotrs and not cheap knock-offs. This echos the high quality of the rest of the Solo:

Here a couple shots of the main board. DIfferent lighting for different views. Observations: I can see components that make up a switching power supply, the likely culprit of the high frequecy pitch some people here. I do not think there is anything that can be done about it. Most of the chips have the part number scraped off, a typical tactic to prevent reverse engineering the circuit. Fine. I haven't been able to really reverse engineer the boards. I see 5 of what appear to the be the same chip, 2 multi-pin chips so its likely really digitally controlled. probably custom mictro controllers for this application. the smaller one at the top might be and A/D type chip to convert the temp sensor to digital.

I guess a couple drivers for the battery charging and the heater (black/red wires on the left and right respectively).

Note the 5 pin connector pads at the top left. interesting. a programmer or diagnostic interface?


Digging deeper into the heater head, first remove the 4 screws:

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Then unclip to the top of the unit from the bottom:

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The top and bottom separated:

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The heater assembly matches to the chassis. There is a pair of thickish teflon coated wires and a pair of thin teflon coated wires going from the chassis to the heater. I assume the thick set is power to the heater and the thin is the temperature sensor:

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Observation: on the inside of the case shell there is evidence of AVB suggesting AVB can get into the chasis:

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The top of the crucible. Note the thin metal cruicible sits inside the high temp plastic chassis with 4 spacers to to hold it out from the chassis wall. This provides a small free channel for air flow up through the small holes in the crucible.

Further, the crucible appears held in place and there is more space under the bottom of the crucible and the bottom of the chassis suggesting the heater is under the crucible. This would be good instead of say touching one part of the wall of it, because it would provide more even heat flow:

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The top of the chassis has a smaller inner ring (in the middle). this ring actually buts up against the top of the crucible and plugs the 4 air gaps. no wonder there is constricted airflow. Later I will show a mod you can do to increase airflow:

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This is the view inside with the upper part on, but without the plastic spacer showing the airflow path:

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This is normally how the pieces would fit together:

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So if you put it back together with the spacer out:

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And then drop the spacer in the top, it will leave some space above the airflow gaps to allow more air to flow:

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I tried it and it gives a little more airflow. bigger clouds but less stamina to produce them. So you have a choice now, both in batteries and in to mod to increase airflow.

Here is how i pack: small screen in the bottom:



and then the salad and another small screen. nice thing is this enables for different packing densities: you can go loose for more airflow and big fluffy clouds, or tight for more regulated flow, smaller clouds, and no AVB in the crucible:


One thing I should point out about the airflow mod: it means you will be more likely to get AVB in the airflow and/or the unit chassis so beware of that.


Hi fc community, first i have to say tx to all contributing to this thread and forum. You have been highly informative and helped me choose what i think is the best vaporizer. And seeing a planetvape (where i ordered it) rep on the forum assured me of a good service.

I just receive my unit yesterday and i cant get rid of the smell after now 4 full heating on 7 cycle. I tried unscrewing the lid and swipe "what i can" with a cotton pad and 70% isopropyl alcool. Still there.

Now i see next step would be to totally unscrew to pieces and clean my solo with alcool and cook my cap. Well, Im not a DIY guy at all; Im best at undoing...

Maybe if the pics were there i would give it a try while waiting for the arizer support answer.

Is there another post for a dumb proof guide for undoing and put it back together?
Is there other solutions so i can vape asap?
Should i ask for a replacement instead of trying to do it myself as Dorkus_Molorkus suggested some do in post 3605 page 145?

Tx a lot for your input guys

PS. I had to delete a few "image error" icon to be able to post this post
 
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baltik

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So what's the consensus - non PVHES GonG is best for milk? or too restrictive? going to be using it with Pinnacle WT
 
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Interesting. I wonder if there will be Solos that are too 'short inside' for the 113 ring to work?

Thanks for the additional info. It's sounding like it's not a simple 'drop in', at least in some cases?

OF

I have a M1A3 and 113 orings and needed to shave it, if not it's imposible to screw my cap. Would be interesting if other oring users tell us his Solo model and if they need shaving, if the cap is full screwed or if they can screw it a little and still use it. This way we will know id it's model related or not.

So what's the consensus - non PVHES GonG is best for milk? or too restrictive? going to be using it with Pinnacle WT

I think it depends more about you. If you don't want to think about how you draw buy a non PVHEGonG, if you want to have the choice to draw faster or slower and affect the density with your draw speed, go with the PVHEGonG. I'm really happy with my PVHEGonG :tup:
 
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thesoloman

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I have M1a's I should probably shave it but i said fuck it and persevered, resulting in some corner chips after party-use, my solo i call 84 (i call them by there last two digits of the serial numbers) doesn't get the cap screwed down all the way.
OF what model do you have?
 

clouded vision

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spouti, if you look back one page I posted pictures of my unit with the heater cover off, the gap in there is pretty small so trying to clean out with iso would be a bitch, you can't even fit a q-tip in there. I would say so a dry burn at 7 but blow through the stem every minute or so while hot, this well force any vaporized bad stuff out of the unit, after that it might still smell a little but should be safe to use and the smell will go away with use, I think mine last maybe a day and a half

I have model m1a and you can't screw the cap down all the way (edit with an o-ring in it) or you will put a lot of pressure on the four screws at the bottom of the unit and probably crack the plastic screw holes. I just stopped about 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn before all the way on, basically when it stops twisting easily just stop there. if the cover not being at. the back of the unit bothers you, you can change which hole in the cover it is in
 
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OF

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OK, guys, I think I have a handle on this fit issue, and it's not pretty.

I realized I have a brand new unit I'm holding for a friend until he gets home and can come get it. Aside from being sure it was charged and got hot, it's new. I packed it back up a while back. So I went and got it. It didn't like the same o-ring at all. A bit of poking around shows why, look at the thickness of the two top covers:


Near as I can measure his is twice as thick in the top! .035 against .082? It's easier to see than measure. There's a part of a 'post it' note stuck inside to make it more visible.

Here comes the bad part they're both M1A4s with serial numbers a few thousand different (his being higher). My cover on his is fine, his on mine won't work there either. In this case at least, it's a cover (specifically the top thickness it seems) issue.

I think CV raises a great point, the mounting is intended to support the weight of the internals, not compress an o-ring under serious pressure. I got lucky I guess with mine in that it comes up just snug before it hits the stop. A 'perfect fit'. The stem and ring freely turn 1/2 turn or so before. I wouldn't be at all surprised if honking down on the one that's thicker (the new one) with a ring under it might not cause serious problems below.

Due caution is advised. Each unit is potentially different?

OF
 

clouded vision

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how far down can you screw the to back on? If you can screw it on all the way then it isn't, if it stops before it's all the way on then it is. a little pressure from slightly compressing the ring shouldn't cause any problems but if you try to force the cap all the way down and keep twisting after it becomes difficult then you are putting too much pressure on the screws
 

Papa Woody

"The vapor is strong with this one"-Obi Onda Woody
I just receive my unit yesterday and i cant get rid of the smell after now 4 full heating on 7 cycle.
Should i ask for a replacement instead of trying to do it myself as Dorkus_Molorkus suggested some do in post 3605 page 145?

I would ask for a replacement since it is brand new and under warranty before you start tearing the Solo apart. My first M104 was a stinker that smelled like a Marks A Lot magic marker. As that Solo was heating up you could smell that smell throughout the house. Randy from Puffitup replaced that M104 immediately and the replacement M104 has been stink free since the day it arrived. That was back in October 2011 and my M104 has worked perfectly since then (BTW, plugged into the charger 24/7 when not in use. Batteries have been strong and steady with no signs of needing replacement)

 
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