Arizer Solo

[AceTK]

....or at very least i want arizer to send me a new charger free of charge.

 

[Lefthook]

Hey Guys and a very happy new year to you all.
Been away from the forum for a bit but managed to catch up on whats going on in this thread.

First off Dorkus : sorry to hear about your dog dude, personally i would of kicked the guy in the ribs (eye for an eye and all that) hope you get it sorted, as a former dog owner (my boy past in 2009) i can relate to you.

i have been combusting a bit as of late , but now its 2012 im flying solo all the way.
used some pollen mixed with bud yesterday and it blew my head off plus i was pulling on the solo for just over a cycle. I gotta say apart from the chipping of my first solo, i have had not one issue with my ss version, just trying to figure out something simple to do with my ABV, any ideas.

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

@lefthook- cheers for the kind words dude.

In regards to your ABV, I do a QWISO wash, works really well. There is a thread in the concentrates section,
check it out. Its not very hard to do, and is very effective.

I am doing research on a similar process but using denatured alcohol. (its cheaper), but I have some more reading to do before I give it a go. (not so sure of the contaniment factor)

 

[AceTK]

Hmm I've not canceled my order. I am however going to test the power adapter with a multimeter and check the solo's circuit board too for hot chips while charging using an infrared thermometer if possible without invalidating the warranty.

On another note id just like to say that vaposhop have been super cool and gave me free stuff to retain my business as they can't post out till after the 9th due to a stock counting break or something. I have been assured I will receive two free bent solo stems and a pack of screens to fit the stems.

Had a burn out on my VP100 earlier too. It's annoying how some vapes slowly drift up in temp as the unit body temp saturates. Really can't wait to try my solo and with any luck itl be my go-to vape to replace all others and fill the portable tick box. Am I right in saying that the solo is a thermostatically controlled vape? If so it raises lot of questions like:

If I heat shielded the inside of the unit would it be possible to extend battery life?

If the ambient temperature of the air is hot does the unit get to operation temp quicker or get hotter?

If the ambient temperature of the air is cold does the unit take longer to reach temp or does it run colder?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if the duty cycle of the pwm modifies according to a thermostat or just set pwm presets?

Thanks

 

[damienm420]

For everyone concerned about the plastic in the Solo. I emailed Arizer about the airpath, and this is what Kevin said.

Hello Damien,

Thank you for your email. Materials used are a mica/ceramic insulating material, mica/glass for housing and contact points, pps with a very high concentration of glass fiber, and the stainless steel heater.

If you have any further questions please feel free to ask me.


Best Regards,
Kevin
Arizer Tech
service@arizer.com

Oh, does anyone know what pps is? thanks guys

 

[AceTK]

Thats good info, is the body on the black M105-SS metal or plastic?

 

[Kaptan]

For everyone concerned about the plastic in the Solo. I emailed Arizer about the airpath, and this is what Kevin said.

Hello Damien,

Thank you for your email. Materials used are a mica/ceramic insulating material, mica/glass for housing and contact points, pps with a very high concentration of glass fiber, and the stainless steel heater.

If you have any further questions please feel free to ask me.


Best Regards,
Kevin
Arizer Tech
service@arizer.com

Maybe ask them at which temp does the material melt as one member threw his SOLO in the garbage after he baked it to 200*C and claims the plastic under the heater melted.

 

[ProudVaporTowerOwner]

how about the ones on amazon? are any of them known to be stainless?

That's where I got mine through ezvapes it was 185 I think, and although I got no case I did get a free 30$ tri level small diamond grind, grinder. Which, is the perfect grind for the solo.

 

[OF]

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if the duty cycle of the pwm modifies according to a thermostat or just set pwm presets?

Thanks

I don't work for them, nor own one yet, but my understanding from the discussion is it's a closed loop system. Not a thermostat but it does sense 'furnace temperature' (the two smaller wires to the heater assembly, probably a thermocouple, a device that gives a voltage proportional to temperature). This is used to adjust the PWM duty cycle to drive the measured temp to the ideal (called a set point). Changing the temperature to turbo simply ups the set point that many degrees. Otherwise it tracks, pull lots of cold air in, it senses the temperature start down and dials on more power. Never off and on like a thermostat, much finer and also (hopefully) 'able to foretell the future'. That is do elegant stuff like notice it's a log way off temp and open it up wide for rapid heat gain, then throttle back (change the PWM) as it gets closer to the set point.

It is definitely not an open loop controller like on your stove elements, or a primitive closed loop like the oven. It's more like the cruse control on your car. Fully up to the job, or should be at least.

OF

 

[Lukevh]

i can get the M105 with a vapecase for 199, or i can get a stainless steel with vapecase for 225? which one?

 

[ProudVaporTowerOwner]

I blow my ABV in a half pint everclear bottle, with about 2 ounces of everclear in it. Unscrew lid, insert stem, blow, put lid on, shake. DONE!...simple....oh yeah keep in brown bag or dark area

 

[Kaptan]

i can get the M105 with a vapecase for 199, or i can get a stainless steel with vapecase for 225? which one?

I think all M1105's are stainless steel so is the case worth $25 to you?

 

[ProudVaporTowerOwner]

Ya the temp outside effects heat up time....@Vaporlock....Ya um, Ty. Nice comment sir, about what ya said though...MONEY...Money brings herb for sure, I know people high on the Corp ladder that use fine ass herbs......But money also brings allot of other stuff, things you don't want in your life. Things you don't need in your life. Like, drugs women, drama, alcohol... Now, I ask, seriously? How many partakers do you know, that actually want that in their life? The majority of people that I know, would rather go out and do a random deed for his neighbor, and maybe his neighbor might share a bowl, maybe few bucks gas... Hell, I don't know bro... Speaking from experience, when I had money I wasn't a happy person.. I think many people want peace in their lives, more than deal with the evils money brings... That's why people give at church, their ultimately saying.. Here take it all, feed others with it, cloth others, just give me and my family what god provided us, and oh ya some of that herb he left here for us. And ill get by.

 

[Beardharmonica]

I receive my solo today.

M103 Ceramic.

As soon as it started to heat-up it started to smell. It's horrible smell and made me nauseous.

I'm extremely dispointed, ive purchased my unit from a reputable dealer.

I will try to get a refund, buying this vaporizer was a mistake.

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

@beardharmonica- checkout my post on page 145, post 2609 (I think)
Just run it on a few cycles regardless, I got a stinky one for about 1 hours use then it went away.

 

[damienm420]

For everyone concerned about the plastic in the Solo. I emailed Arizer about the airpath, and this is what Kevin said.

Hello Damien,

Thank you for your email. Materials used are a mica/ceramic insulating material, mica/glass for housing and contact points, pps with a very high concentration of glass fiber, and the stainless steel heater.

If you have any further questions please feel free to ask me.


Best Regards,
Kevin
Arizer Tech
service@arizer.com

Maybe ask them at which temp does the material melt as one member threw his SOLO in the garbage after he baked it to 200*C and claims the plastic under the heater melted.

lol Ya I thought the same thing. I'm going to.

 

[Beardharmonica]

It's been on all day. I have tryed all the "fix" on the forum.

Smell getting worse.

It's a shame, I love my extreme Q and been recommending that company.

Will stay away in the future for sure.

 

[ilovebOObs]

Atleast call arizer and try out the ss version. My ceramic smelled but the ss was smell free. But its still sad we gotta deal with these issues.

 

[MrNorml]

It's been on all day. I have tryed all the "fix" on the forum.

Smell getting worse.

It's a shame, I love my extreme Q and been recommending that company.

Will stay away in the future for sure.

I got my Solo because I love the Q as well. I ordered a Solo before Christmas, and 2 were delivered. Set up the 1st one, couple runs at hottest level, and used. Needed to get a screen in it - 4 holes, lots of bits in my mouth and lungs - and with routine cleaning of screen, my SS 105 had no smells I could notice or complain of, no noise I could hear with my old ears, and the thing hits like a champ. My Q misses me. But I do have to fiddle with the glass - raise it or move it away from the stainless chamber - to be able to draw on it. I do not claim to have good or strong lungs because I have emphysemic old partially removed lungs (which is why when I use my Q it is usually with balloon) and the Solo rocks.
I have not read a word even suggesting that Arizer won't work to get functional units out there, so before you melt the thing in an oven or something like that, consider contacting Arizer or the place you got it from. Not sure what model you got, but consider giving Arizer their chance before you decry the product. And at least you still have that Q to use!

 

[wake n blake]

Hey guys, haven't been on here in a while. My solo's still running great, though... no chipping or anything. Smell quit after a short burn-in time, guess I was one of the lucky ones...

anyways, I checked the 'suggested retailers' sites on here, and none of them seem to sell the new 4 hole stems. Amazon sells the 4 hole bent ones, but for $16, which seems kind of high, but no go on the straight ones.

Am I missing a website that sells solo accessories? Or did they cease manufacturing?

Thanks for the help.

 

[AceTK]

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if the duty cycle of the pwm modifies according to a thermostat or just set pwm presets?

Thanks

I don't work for them, nor own one yet, but my understanding from the discussion is it's a closed loop system. Not a thermostat but it does sense 'furnace temperature' (the two smaller wires to the heater assembly, probably a thermocouple, a device that gives a voltage proportional to temperature). This is used to adjust the PWM duty cycle to drive the measured temp to the ideal (called a set point). Changing the temperature to turbo simply ups the set point that many degrees. Otherwise it tracks, pull lots of cold air in, it senses the temperature start down and dials on more power. Never off and on like a thermostat, much finer and also (hopefully) 'able to foretell the future'. That is do elegant stuff like notice it's a log way off temp and open it up wide for rapid heat gain, then throttle back (change the PWM) as it gets closer to the set point.

It is definitely not an open loop controller like on your stove elements, or a primitive closed loop like the oven. It's more like the cruse control on your car. Fully up to the job, or should be at least.

OF

Thanks i'm really looking forward to this unit arriving in 2 weeks time. How is the draw speed temperature maintain tolerance and the just stopped drawing overshoot tolerance? ie how fast can you draw before it cannot maintain temp and if you suddenly stop toking how much overshoot can I expect in Celsius and seconds duration roughly?

Thanks

 

[ru_frothi]

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if the duty cycle of the pwm modifies according to a thermostat or just set pwm presets?

Thanks

I don't work for them, nor own one yet, but my understanding from the discussion is it's a closed loop system. Not a thermostat but it does sense 'furnace temperature' (the two smaller wires to the heater assembly, probably a thermocouple, a device that gives a voltage proportional to temperature). This is used to adjust the PWM duty cycle to drive the measured temp to the ideal (called a set point). Changing the temperature to turbo simply ups the set point that many degrees. Otherwise it tracks, pull lots of cold air in, it senses the temperature start down and dials on more power. Never off and on like a thermostat, much finer and also (hopefully) 'able to foretell the future'. That is do elegant stuff like notice it's a log way off temp and open it up wide for rapid heat gain, then throttle back (change the PWM) as it gets closer to the set point.

It is definitely not an open loop controller like on your stove elements, or a primitive closed loop like the oven. It's more like the cruse control on your car. Fully up to the job, or should be at least.

OF

Thanks i'm really looking forward to this unit arriving in 2 weeks time. How is the draw speed temperature maintain tolerance and the just stopped drawing overshoot tolerance? ie how fast can you draw before it cannot maintain temp and if you suddenly stop toking how much overshoot can I expect in Celsius and seconds duration roughly?

Thanks

user vapeplexus posted detailed graphs of temp versus time from his testing. I think you would find those interesting.

 

[AceTK]

As far as im aware Rufrothy that picture was simply an incremental dry run of an ss and ceramic side by side on each temp setting over a 12 min cycle. I need actual pre mid and post toke temp readings.


edit:

also what i'm digging at is if there is an overshoot situation that could cause combustion? I don't want that. See website name above lol.

 

[OhTheAgony]

You'd be the first if you'd manage to combust with a Solo Ace. I don't see how this is possible without adding fuel or explosives

 

[AceTK]

Well il be sure to crank unit up to max temp and then toke extra hard so that the PWM cycle has to change to 100% to compensate then suddenly stop and the temp should over shoot. A good few attempts over time after the unit body has also saturated with heat should suffice. If it lasts that test then it should be fine to hand to anyone to use I guess lol. Il also pack it nice and tight too so there is nearly no airflow when not toking. I guess im just a little extra enthusiastic after inhaling a disgusting whip burnout the other day.