MonsterWithoutBorders
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My Argo is not weak. It rocks.
Arizer ArGo
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OF
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Mine too, but this is mighty subjective territory? While Solo/Air/ArGo is a great platform for many/most folks it's not for everyone of course. Very little in life is. A very strong advantage it has is there's no 'right way' to use it. Individuals get to tailor their technique to suit themselves?
Regards to all.
OF
IntoTheVoid
Pride Goeth Before A Fall
His replies are his opinion based on his experience, but I call foul when compared to my experience. I get clouds out of my Argo that rival my OmniVap. I start at 375 and end up around 410 when I’m finished. Clouds are visible, thick and effects are strong. I dunno what he’s doing, but it’s not concurrent with my findings.
Grind course, load lightly for better airflow, and inhale slowly so oven temps don’t dip too much during inhale. It’s not rocket science. Also, this is an Argo thread, not a Mighty thread. We are not comparing vapes for the sake of dissing one. My Sticky Brick Jr can hot box my bathroom after a few hits. That doesn’t mean my Argo isn’t amazing, and I won’t say that one takes away from the other.
I even loaded my stem 1/4 full last night, no screen, no domed screen. Just use the first inhale to bring the heat up to your bud, after that it’s bliss and clouds.
Nothing against Cheese, but if his only reason for posting in here is his continued discontent for the Argo, then maybe the Mighty thread is better for him.
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Brewervapesalot
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I try not to over think vaping. It's not good for me at any temperature. I accept that. It also helps me. Clouds and flavor are preference not science. Vaping at 385F versus 428F, if these temps are accurate and consistent is of no difference healthwise IMO. They're both bad.
I also dont look to, and prefer not to, eat anything organic (waste of $$) and i drink beer (craft and macro). I eat and drink what tastes good. If I gain weight I eat less and go to the gym and play more sports. I dont believe diet can make you live longer except to a small degree on the margins; the oldest people in the world notoriously eat crap, smoke, and drink; it's mostly their DNA and genes and nothing we can control...
On the same note, I vape for tasty, big, cool clouds and lots of them. If I start coughing I stop. I stop vaping for weeks on end to help my lungs heal (from any temperature vaping) and to clear the drug from my body.
In sum, moderation is key, not vape temp, for health. I'm not "that guy" at the office that wont buy GMO food but then heats up his lunch in the microwave, irradiating it... or thinks he's gluten intolerant even though he grew up eating pizza for decades...
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Then why doesn't Arizer allow the temps to go to 500˚F? (Science)
Why not just stick to Pabst Blue Ribbon then if organics are a waste of money?
If anything has educated me on the value of organic gardening it is watching growers who use Clean Green/organic methods vs those who use chemicals, hazardous pesticides, and unclean operations. In fact, in my state, it is illegal to use chemicials and non-organic pesticides on medical cannabis, it must be grown organically.
Organic methods don't make the cannabis more expensive, there is healthy competition here to keep the prices low. I vape for health although it was not my original intent. The more I learned about vaping the cannabis flower based on the science which has been ongoing for decades by a few hundred researchers on this spaceship, the more I embraced it. It's Dr. Ethan Russo who educated me on PAHs and I value his time and energy put into cannabis research.
What happens to beer being brewed in a brewery if it isn't a clean environment to brew? The same can be said of the cannabis plant.
Ironically, since I've been working in this industry before the days of lab testing for THC/CBD concentration, pesticides, etc., the only way to learn certain things about the cannabis flowers were based on crude combustion based assays. Rolling up a joint and seeing how the flowers burned, the color of the ash, the limited taste you could sample via burning. Through this you learned a bit about the growth of the flowers, how well they were or were not flushed based on tastes and how the material combusted. Luckily there are labs now in regulated states that can test cannabis purity vs. relying on a couple guys standing around smoking a joint to determine the value of cannabis crops and whether or not it was fit to be sold.
Now the unfortunate case is that growers using questionable methods continue to grow using these methods and then they just export their weed via the black market to unsuspecting consumers thousands of miles away who are happy to buy whatever they can find in an unregulated market that exposes them to some harms I hope to avoid: Like this
Ignorance is a choice.
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IntoTheVoid
Pride Goeth Before A Fall
Man, I’m glad I’m in Canada. Lol. The weed coming from our licensed dispensaries is quality, regardless of it being grown “organic” or not. As far as vaping is concerned? You know what’s healthy? Not inhaling anything other than air. Vaping is better than smoking. That’s where the benefits sit.
Beer? I am a pest control technician. (Exterminator for the layman). I service a large, popular craft brewery as part of my route. Rats and mice run rampant all over. Sure they clean their equipment but it matters not, because when you have hops and barley falling on the floor, mixed with rat feces, urine and their corpses from the traps, I don’t care if it’s craft or large scale like Budweiser... Unsanitary is unsanitary. Quality starts on the production line. I still drink the occasional brew. (I’m not a heathen).
Vape temps... they do effect extraction to a point. All cannabinoids don’t boil off at the same temps. I don’t think our devices are accurate enough to pinpoint specific compounds, but you can set your temps to control the experience. At least the heat to your lungs for comfort, if nothing else. This is why I prefer butane vapes for home over battery. I want to get full extraction every time. I can control that with my lighter and inhale. I can fully extract the bowl of my favourite vape in 3-4 inhales without combusting. My Argo is more about convenience and stealth than its power and settings.
Canada has had more than one batch of cannabis recalled in recent years, it's not all clean and should never be assumed to be. Human error, lab errors, many places for mistakes to occur in cultivation, processing, production and packaging. Vaping is better than smoking with over a hundred chemicals present in cannabis smoke vs. what I can count on my fingers and toes possibly in the vapor.
Is that occasional brew from the popular craft brewery you mention here or another company/brand?
I agree. Power up and Go.
IntoTheVoid
Pride Goeth Before A Fall
I didn’t imply all Canadian weed is great. I stated that licensed dispensaries that test their bud and only use certain growers have great bud. And these dispensaries are open to anyone over the age of 19. So there is no excuse to buy from a dark corner or shady place.
As far as th beer? I dunno if it’s available down in the lower 48. I moved here in 2009. Before then I hadn’t seen it. Still great beer, but once you’ve seen how a McDonalds burger is made..... lol.
I’m just saying, health or quality claims on things can often be exaggerated. Craft doesn’t mean clean or more sanitary. Vaping doesn’t mean zero risk. Just less than smoking. Neither one scares me away. Lol
Let me add that testing is exactly what is needed but it isn't fool proof at this point. If you buy something that is tested, there is still reason to be cautious. If you feel bad from something you've consumed, then that could be a mislabeled batch for instance. All kinds of things can go wrong in legal production. And then you have laboratory standardization to be concerned with because it all depends on where you are here in the US, Oregon and California have varying standards for example, and in some instances the science really needs to be tweaked in order to find pesticides.
You are correct, there is no excuse in Canada to be buying from the guy on the corner or in a shady place. Just remember even the big guys can screw up a batch and it can make it out into the real world. Problem is in the US, that is where most of the contaminated product goes outside legal markets, the hot (pesticide test failed) product, the moldy product, etc. Know your source, grow your own.
Now back to the ArGo... Anyone find a temperature variance between the AirII and the ArGo?
Brewervapesalot
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I would be okay with temps above 428F. Hell i am okay with combusting when i don't have a vaporizer. When a hot girls says wanna smoke a joint or vape at that deadly 428F--you can say no--but i won't. Arizer mostly likely doesn't have the temp go higher because of combustion and liability concerns. Moreover, i think it's ironic and a contradiction to be for banning "non-organic" fertilizers and pesticides (the direct result of science) but "pro-science."
On the same note, personally, banning anything smacks of prohibition of cannabis--if you ask me--which i am definitely not for. Instead of mandating what others can buy, sell, or make, and limiting choice, via renting seeking legislation (drafted by pro-organic lobbyists and made into law by the politicians paid by such special interest--who in turn are massively subsidized by the government--kinda like an organic circle jerk) to put competition out of business--i think the law should but out of society and people should have choice in just about everything.
As for the validity of "organic" ponder the following:
- the world would starve attempting to feed it on organic food; it requires 100 times the acreage to grow and massively more water.
- there is no nutritional difference.
- most organic labeled as such is not. No one can the difference (except often organic is worse, e.g., in the case of beer--organic barley sucks so bad they have to lower quality thresholds massively--there's a reason large macro maltsters and growers spent billions creating, engineering, and modifying awesome and brewer friendly 2-row that is light years better than "organic," ancient, varieties that suck to brew with and taste like dirt...)
- the term "organic" was expressly created as marketing tool to get people to pay twice as much for the same bannana, maple syrup, or any other product. It's a scam with willing and stolkhome syndrome like followers.
- pesticides are necessary, wash off, and keep crops from failing and prices down. If people use them wrong, that doesn't make them bad; too much of anything is bad; it makes the user or producer an idiot.
- organic farming puts massive amounts of nitrogen into soil that washes into rivers and lakes and water tables every time it rains. There is no control of organic fertilizers. On the other hand, chemical fertilizers can be titrated and dosed to prevent over feeding so that only as much as will be taken by the plant that is applied.
Most importantly: - Organic versus non-organic when it comes to cannabis (green house seed company video of jack herer growing with chemical fertilizer versus organic fertilizer):
https://video.search.yahoo.com/sear...=8b1f8823dfa412bc336e46de64519434&action=view
- organic is the equivalent to "grass fed beef." Anyone who has raised cattle knows that grass is cheap or free. Grain is expensive. The latter is fed to cows as much as possible in their last weeks and months to live to create fat cows and thus marbling and juicy--tasty--steaks. Grass fed is a cheaper, less tasty, product nefariously sold as better; just like all organic food. Hell, when i was 12 and i saw "organic" maple syrup i realized the con for charging twice as much. Anyone who grew up in New England knows there is no such thing as a non-organic sugar maple tree.... they just grow in the woods, people buy lots of acreage, and people tap the syrup. Slapping an organic label on it and charging more is a scam.
As to beer:
- i am not a beer snob. A PBR is great american light pilsner. I preferred it when they used cereal cookers and real rice as an adjunct, not liquid corn syrup, but the flavor is not that different because the style is meant to be slight and non-offensive; it's not that people love it--it's that people don't dislike it... That's the niche. That said, I've brewed beer since i was 16, have an eight tap kegerator, a degree from Siebel, and love all craft beer too.
I use iodine, chlorine, and a whole host of chemicals like all brewers do to keep things "clean." Without such chemicals beer would taste like butthole.
In sum, vape your Argo at whatever temp you want. Don't care about mysterious phantom acronyms killing you. Also grow weed however you want. And drink whatever you want too. But don't advocate banning my choice because you think you know what is better for me than me.
Finally, love i think i have bought some of your accessories and really like them. I support good products no matter the opinions or politics of owners/employees of companies because, well, i have opinions of my own but i value other's opinions too.
P.S. California blows. No one could pay me enough to live there. To the degree any state follows that one--we are doomed to be bankrupt and living in George Orwell's "1984."
Update: https://imgur.com/a/dPxw8aj
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I combust when necessary, like crossing the border into Canada. I don't take a vape with me, even though I could. Just one less thing to worry about with customs.
I'm not advocating banning fertilizers and pesticides. I'm pro-science on vaporization because there is a lot of science to it and learning more about the science of it is what caused me to better understand the health benefits of it. I remember my days of only combusting and coughing fits associated with spitting up nasty stuff.
Then to learn that this could lead to chronic bronchitis is not a good thing for someone who likes to spend their free time upside down underwater in a kayak. I didn't learn about the chronic bronchitis aspect until 12 years after I began almost vaping exclusively. But it was easier to understand the phenomenon since I basically lived it thanks to making the switch.
The patent wars are coming in the cannabis industry. Just wait for the feds to turn the light green and it will be on like Donkey Kong.
Systemic pesticides do not wash off. If all the pesticides used on the cannabis plant washed off, then I don't believe we'd be having this discussion.
Why is it so expensive compared to PBR? It's just beer in the end right?
I've had experiences where I've consumed too much cannabis and it really sucks to cross the line from therapeutic to too much. Some folks don't even know this can happen and think you can consume as much as you want without negative side effects. I mentioned PAHs here after seeing you vaping at high temps to pass along knowledge passed onto me, not to make your choice or anyone's. Perhaps someone reading this thread besides you and me will learn something new.
We appreciate your support. I appreciate your opinions and everyone here on FC. That's why I come here, to learn more about vaporization. At the same time, I'm on my 15th year vaping, so I hope that I am able to give something back thru my studies and experience working in this industry.
This goes out to not just you @Brewervapesalot but your picture is making me ask the question: Do you find that you get better results (effects) vaping thru water or using natively?
IntoTheVoid
Pride Goeth Before A Fall
If we’d like to get into pesticides and their effects on humans... I’m a licensed pest control technician. Not an “exterminator”. We go far beyond the science of just shooting chemicals everywhere. I can’t speak for growers and the possible “cowboy antics” they might pull when treating their crops. But there are truths and myths with regards to pesticides. Of course proper application using mathematical calculations and ensuring your flow rates and mixtures are right, are key elements. Also proper flushing of plants. But it also depends on the pesticide as well. I deal almost exclusively with Pyrethrins and Pyrethroids. And there are differences between them, as well as their potential effects to humans.
LabPong
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I have wanted to start a conversation about this.....maybe this thread is not a good place?
I STARTED A THREAD ABOUT THIS... HERE
This thread is not the place for such a discussion. Feel free to make a thread about it, but let's keep the discussion here about the ArGo.
Thanks.
Gardenerjeff
Author, Teaming Series of Organic Grow Books
Two questions...how exactly do you set the temp control to jump at 10 degree increments instead of 1?
Second, can one use an ipad or iphone charger base to charge the unit with the right cord of course. Arizer is pretty strict on what to use... 1.5 amp output?
teaming
gardenerjeff
Second, can one use an ipad or iphone charger base to charge the unit with the right cord of course. Arizer is pretty strict on what to use... 1.5 amp output?
teaming
gardenerjeff
OF
Well-Known Member
I don't have mine handy, but IIRC hold the key down for a bit and it counts by tens?
No problems with charging, as long as the USB connection is right. Five Volts (standard for USB) current not really important. ArGo will charge as fast as it's set to (about .8 Amps, give or take) unless the source is lower (in which case it just charges slower). Higher current capacity is just not used. I charge from a 5 Amp source since I often have a couple of irons in the fire.
Anymore than you use the full gallons per minute (flow rate like current is) available from the faucet when you brush your teeth.....
OF
Edit: So I found it and confirmed it: Holding the button down for about 3 seconds (up or down) and it goes into overdrive and counts by tens. I didn't lie.
This time.
OF
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Gardenerjeff
Author, Teaming Series of Organic Grow Books
Thanks!
Gardenerjeff
Gardenerjeff
What is this "Symphony of Glass" mentioned in the thread?
LabPong
Well-Known Member
mind blown.......haaaaaa thanks so much for that tip OF
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It works the same on my Air2......now if the air2 would just beep when reaching set temp...I would be super happy.
If you are referring to the Glass Symphony vape..it is a desktop vape that has a large heating element encased in glass that fits into any water unit joint.
Here is the thread about it in the plug-in/desktop section.
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Gardenerjeff
Author, Teaming Series of Organic Grow Books
What a nice unit. Hits all the needs. Highly recommend it!
(And as for Organics, read my book: Teaming With Microbes and you will get it!)
Teaming,
Gardenerjeff
(And as for Organics, read my book: Teaming With Microbes and you will get it!)
Teaming,
Gardenerjeff
Hi Everyone. Don't know if this is the appropriate place for this, but I have a question on my Argo. And I'd like to know if anyone else is having a similar experience.
When I got my Argo, the unit just wouldn't vape my herbs. I set it to the max, 428 degrees Fahrenheit, and no visible vapor was produced. And when I pulled the glass tube out after 10 minutes, I was able to touch the bottom of the stem bowl without hurting my fingers. It obviously wasn't heating properly. Arizer sent me a replacement and, although a tad better, it had the same problem. Arizer again sent me a replacement (their service does seem rather good and attentive), but the same situation occurred.
I'm not new to vaping and already own the Extreme-Q and Solo-2 and love them both. I've tried course, medium and fine grinds, as well as whole bud sections, with light to medium packing and firm packing. But again, it's just not working. After 10 minutes at 428 degrees, I get a little bit of vapor and the herb is semi-browned. I can take that same herb that was "vaped" in the Argo and switch it to a Solo tube and get good vapor at 350 degrees on the Solo-2.
I'm at wits end after reading that so many people get good clouds from this vape and I can't get anything but a small amount of vape, no matter how I work the draw. Any suggestions or feedback? Thanks!!!
When I got my Argo, the unit just wouldn't vape my herbs. I set it to the max, 428 degrees Fahrenheit, and no visible vapor was produced. And when I pulled the glass tube out after 10 minutes, I was able to touch the bottom of the stem bowl without hurting my fingers. It obviously wasn't heating properly. Arizer sent me a replacement and, although a tad better, it had the same problem. Arizer again sent me a replacement (their service does seem rather good and attentive), but the same situation occurred.
I'm not new to vaping and already own the Extreme-Q and Solo-2 and love them both. I've tried course, medium and fine grinds, as well as whole bud sections, with light to medium packing and firm packing. But again, it's just not working. After 10 minutes at 428 degrees, I get a little bit of vapor and the herb is semi-browned. I can take that same herb that was "vaped" in the Argo and switch it to a Solo tube and get good vapor at 350 degrees on the Solo-2.
I'm at wits end after reading that so many people get good clouds from this vape and I can't get anything but a small amount of vape, no matter how I work the draw. Any suggestions or feedback? Thanks!!!
Welcome to FC.
If I had to guess, it is that you aren't putting the stem far enough into the chamber. Only 10mm should be sticking out and some force is necessary to seat it. The other way to know this is that the glass should be almost flush (maybe a little glass sticking out, less than 1mm) with the pop-top when you open up the "Push-Top Glass Protection." If the glass is above the hatch, then you know it wasn't all the way to the base.
After taking the stem out of the chamber, you shouldn't be able to touch the glass without feeling some heat.
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OF
Well-Known Member
Howdy, welcome to the Forum, sorry it's under such a cloud.
The answer to your question is no, this is not a common issue. AFAIK you're the only one? Lucky you......
The chances of three such defective units in a row to the same guy when nobody else has seen one are not worth considering, it has to be something else?
Excellent suggestion, as CP does so often. The seal is definitely tighter than Solo/Air (in part because it's smaller in ID). You need to consciously 'bottom it out'. The entire stem should be inside with the cover up.
By way of a benchmark, I just set mine to 428F with a fresh charge and no stem it takes 76 seconds (one minute 16 seconds) to reach 428F. Yours should be very close to that if the temperature calibration is correct. I suggest that test.
If the 'time is right' and stem fully in my next thought is poor cure on the herb.....a very long shot.
Good luck with it, please keep us posted.
And stick around, good folks around here you know.
OF