Arizer Air II

blackstone

blackstone

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Thanks very much that helps a lot,
the thing must be tiny!
True meaning of the term micro-heater! Or you could call it a stem warmer?!

It takes me a few goes to get a pic to display sometimes too!
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That might have worked though.
 
NuhJokaSmoka

NuhJokaSmoka

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I'll wait for the first reviews and the retailer price in Germany/EU. Then I decide if I'm going to buy the air ii.
Maybe I'm going to sell my air to a friend, but it could be worse than an air as backup. First world problems...
 
The Mighty Monarch

The Mighty Monarch

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This looks amazing, and I haven't even considered getting a new vape since getting my Air a year and a half ago. If I can confirm the Air 2 works with my fleet of LG HG2 18650 batteries, I'm in. Though I will miss the silver finish, which you could scratch the crap out of, and would still look good.
 
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KidFated.

KidFated.

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The Mighty Monarch said:
This looks amazing, and I haven't even considered getting a new vape since getting my Air a year and a half ago. If I can confirm the Air 2 works with my fleet of LG HG2 18650 batteries, I'm in. Though I will miss the silver finish, which you could scratch the crap out of, and would still look good.
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Very bummed about no titanium color anymore.
 
KidFated.,
DJ Colonel Corn

DJ Colonel Corn

The Vapor Ninja
OF said:
Leaves open the question of 'is it safe/approved to use the new 18650 in the old Air?'. That could be a very cheap upgrade.......
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The answer to that comes in two parts.

Yes, you can use a 3400 mah 18650 in your AA1.

However, it technically voids the warranty to use any battery other than Arizer's.
We had a long discussion about this in the original Air thread. More mAh means longer life. The AA1 takes very minimal amperage and therefore a 5 amp limit battery will work in it.

Again, be warned, this voids the warranty.

Arizer wants you to buy their extremely weak and cheap 18650s for $20-25 each, saying their 'special for Arizer' ...... this claim is dubious at best.

That said, I've seen units running those panasonic 3400 mAh batteries for years with no problems.
If you understand batteries, this is common sense.

HOWEVER: Do NOT buy the cheapest off-brand battery you can find. Battery safety is extremely important and the AA1 has no vent holes in the event of a battery malfunction. Certain battery chemical elements can casue either fire, explosion, or gas venting in the unlikely even of a short. Get IMR/INR chemistry for the types that simply vent gas.

If you don't know, ask. Those panasonics are pretty much safe.

If this is all Arizer means by '%50 longer life' then it's a shameful duping of their customers. So this whole time they've paid $20 per battery to only get a few sessions. Terrible.
This is my only gripe with Arizer.

I own a Solo 1 and an Air 1, from @PuffItUp , that's http://www.puffitup.com . Randy at puffitup has been awesome with me, including replacing my Air at 1 year 10 months due to a circuit board failure. Go with puffitup, it's worth the wait for them to get these.
I'm looking forward to checking one out and reading any reviews. If anyone sees a good review out there, link it here for us would ya ?

Can't wait to try the Arizer Air 2.
 
OF

OF

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DJ Colonel Corn said:
The answer to that comes in two parts.

Yes, you can use a 3400 mah 18650 in your AA1.

Arizer wants you to buy their extremely weak and cheap 18650s for $20-25 each, saying their 'special for Arizer' ...... this claim is dubious at best.

That said, I've seen units running those panasonic 3400 mAh batteries for years with no problems.
If you understand batteries, this is common sense.
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I'm sorry, I can't agree with you on several key points. It's just not that simple.

First off, warranty aside, some 'good' 18650s just don't fit. I have several that don't. Some are too long, some too wide, some 'hang up' in the tube so their sticking causes contract problems at the top. How such cells would safely vent in the event of an accident is a guess at best, nobody has tested it with other than the factory cell AFAIK. You know otherwise?

The OEM part is far far from "extremely weak and cheap 18650s" in fact our very own Centizen researched well, told us all about it, and even imported the base cells for a time:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/oem-arizer-air-replacement-batteries.17329/#post-757315

Centizen is a guy who IMO 'knows his batteries', I trust him at the same level as Haywood. I fancy myself, while not at that level, with understanding batteries (and they're really CELLs, right?) better than most and I definitely don't think it's common sense. In fact, questionable advice to just buy 'better batteries' (ones with bigger numbers) and plug 'em in.

I miss him and his wise advice, wonder what he's up to these days, hope he's doing well. He sure contributed to these Forums.

Everyone has to make the calls for themselves I think, and it should be as educated a decision as you can get on the important stuff (like here)? For my money Arizer is not stupid (they didn't use a poorly specified part) nor are they crooked. Rather I think they respect us as customers and want to treat us well in the hopes of future business? Offering dependable performance at a reasonably price with excellent service. In it 'for the long haul', not the 'quick bucks'. Too bad more makers don't do half as well.

I'm not in favor of saving a few dollars on substitutes. I have piles of top notch 18650s of various makes (lots of them from Thermovape Cera Beta Testing in fact), enough to know that some won't work physically (and some that do could be questionable safety wise?). I still bought factory backup cells (two total now), even though I scarcely use them (recharge in place). If Arizer says it's OK to replace the OEM part with the new one from Air II I'm fine, but until then.......

Weekend regards to all.

OF
 
DJ Colonel Corn

DJ Colonel Corn

The Vapor Ninja
OF said:
Centizen is a guy who IMO 'knows his batteries
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.....it was Centizen who told me most of what I relayed in my post. I agree he knows batteries.

He's the one who told me to use 3400 mAh batteries in my AA1 and that his 'oem' batteries were 5 amp limit basic batteries, about 2000 mah or less.

Now Arizer comes out and says '%50 longer life' by now offering a 3400 mah battery ? hm.

I am also a fan of Arizer, as I said in my post, this battery thing is my only gripe.

Yes, my sources have tested various chemistry types of 18650 and have purposefully shorted them, on video, to show you what happens.

I'm also a member of the ecig forums where we take battery safety extremely seriously and have exhaustively tested the top products available.

Yes of course some don't fit. I was hoping one would have common sense not to try to force a battery into the AA1. A simple search on this forum or others will tell you if it'll fit or not. For your info, the panasonic 3400 mah batteries do fit. As will the 'new' Arizer batteries, probably. Unless they made the 18650 carriage even smaller, which I highly doubt.

I suspect Centizen and many others have left the forum due to constant harassment and quibbling regarding battery information. Sad to see them go. I worked closely with Centizen to repair a battery issue with my Solo 1. He, at the time, offered a 3400 mAh battery for the Solo 1, which I attempted to install. Finally success was had thanks to Centizen's generosity and willingness to work with others (his battery's connector was incorrect on that one).

In closing I'll say it'll be fun to try out the Air 2, but as I own a brand new Air, I most likely won't have my own Air 2 for quite some time if ever. Depends on the draw action really. If it's markedly better then maybe.

All the best !
 
The Mighty Monarch

The Mighty Monarch

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I'm guessing the Air 2 uses a higher amperage/lower voltage strategy compared to the Air 1, which needs the battery voltage to be at least around 3.7V to function properly. High amperage 18650s have improved significantly in the years since the Air 1 was developed.
 
The Mighty Monarch,
OF

OF

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DJ Colonel Corn said:
Yes, my sources have tested various chemistry types of 18650 and have purposefully shorted them, on video, to show you what happens.
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But that's not really what I asked, is it? I asked 'has anyone tested a failed battery (other than OEM) IN THE AIR. Very important point I think. It can be safe enough 'in the open' but a bomb (literally) if confined in a tube that can't vent fast enough.

Unless that has been tested, I maintain it's part of the safety discussion.

And there's still the matter of ones that don't even fit mechanically? Or have dodgy contact due to fit.

It's just not simple. Sticking to the maker's instructions, OTOH, is simple and safe? I'll maintain Arizer made a solid choice for the OEM, not some 'cheap and weak overpriced' unit and cite Brother Centizen on that point. There is reason to trust Arizer and potentially problems for not doing so. I just disagree with your advice on a few points, which I hopefully have explained to folks. Each guy can make his own call. Who's advice to follow or make up some of his/her own?

I get the 'I've been doing it for years' point, even for that single brand and model, but I also know a lot of guys who smoke cigarettes and/or date married women. So far no serious problems there I know of, but neither is to be casually recommended.

OF
 
OF

OF

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Mr. Gweilo 420 said:
Bah I tried to buy one but Arizer wont ship to Hong Kong. Bummer
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Bummer indeed. And ironic in a strange way given the point that darn near every vape made comes from 'over there' somewhere you've got to fall in love with one made in Canada.

Who knows if it's a 'it will cost too much to be competitive' deal, or perhaps something with Customs there? Any trouble getting say Vapman or Plenty/Crafty?

Then again, counterfeits are sure to spring up like they did for the original Air, meaning much caution on 'gray market' buys is in order?

Anyway you slice it, it's pretty goofed up.

OF
 
BigJr48

BigJr48

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Why hasn't Arizer advertised the Air 2 in the same manner the Solo 2 was???
Why hasn't any vaporizer YouTuber reviewed the Air 2 yet???
 
OF

OF

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BigJr48 said:
Why hasn't Arizer advertised the Air 2 in the same manner the Solo 2 was???
Why hasn't any vaporizer YouTuber reviewed the Air 2 yet???
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Excellent questions, IMO the first more than the second. I suspect the answer is something like 'that's not the way their Marketing Plan for the product is set up? They clearly know how to 'do it the other way' and my guess is they think a 'slow release' is in their interests. And it gives Solo II some time to hog the limelight.

In this case I suggest Granny is already better at sucking eggs than any of us here?

Still, be fun to watch it play out. And (hopefully) watch the price fall and availability grow. So my question is 'how long until Randy at PIU has an offer too good to pass on?

I'll give you even odds it's before Thanksgiving. Didn't the original Air come out then, I bought my BIL one for Christmas and as I recall it was the first 'short all glass stem' reported (the very first came with Solo stems of normal length), this one:
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One thing sure, the timing and delivery are not the result of random chance.......there's a plan driving it.

Good questions. It may be a while before we know the answers?

OF

Edit: One other thought about Air II: It 'looks' a lot like Solo II and no doubt shares a lot 'under the hood'. Like 3 buttons, battery charge 'meter', variable temperature, OLED display, timeout control, volume control of a beeper and so on. Dollars to doughnuts the design for Air II has been 'cooking a while'. That is while they were working on Solo II, they were making a version later to be called Air II. They could easily have released them on the same day?

They chose not to.

OF
 
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AJS

AJS

Calm Consistency
OF said:
Edit: One other thought about Air II: It 'looks' a lot like Solo II and no doubt shares a lot 'under the hood'. Like 3 buttons, battery charge 'meter', variable temperature, OLED display, timeout control, volume control of a beeper and so on. Dollars to doughnuts the design for Air II has been 'cooking a while'. That is while they were working on Solo II, they were making a version later to be called Air II. They could easily have released them on the same day?
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Had the exact same thoughts my man. Coulda released either one. Let people get the Solo 2 first and lots will still want the Air 2 as well. Release the Air 2 first and I doubt many people would see the larger Solo 2 as an upgrade later on. Makes a lot of sense the way they did it.
 
BigJr48

BigJr48

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I hope Arizer has implemented the air path of the Solo 2 in the Air 2.
 
BigJr48,
OF

OF

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AJS said:
Had the exact same thoughts my man.
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That's pretty spooky, ain't it?

I was raised on 'two great minds, and but a single thought', as I'm sure many/most were. Years ago I worked in a small (five of us) 'Production Test and Customer Service' shop, one of the guys was from Poland still learning English (like a couple others I've known learning from TV, the guy would quote the advertisements.....).

So one day we're discussing a troubleshooting problem on a 'bench queen' (problem unit defying solution). Two of us questioned the test fixture.....and got lucky, the unit was really OK, the tester had died without us knowing. Once the obscure fault was found, Ralph and I busted up over the 'lucky guess at the same time' with repeating the saw about great minds (to our mutual delight of course). Joseph looked at us quizzically as you could sense him translating in his mind and becoming more confused. Suddenly he too started laughing. And laughing.

When he calmed down he explained (in somewhat broken but successful English) that his Polish Grandmother (mother's side no less) used to use a similar 'old expression': Fools seldom differ......

I like ours better, somehow. I suspect you do too?

OF
 
G

Goita

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I nearly bought the new solo the other week but pleased I didn't, and was also looking at the ghost but reckon this could be spot on if heat up time is similar to the new solo.
 
OF

OF

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lookhigh said:
Fools seldom differ... I like that.
Must remember that one on a night out with friends.
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Yeah, makes you kinda wish you had a wise old Polish Grandmother of your own.......on your Mother's side......

AJS said:
Fools rule the world. Could be worse ;) great story man.

Super excited for heatup testing on this guy. 20-30 seconds like the Solo 2? That would be amazing. Solo 3 = instant temp? I'll be waiting. Arizer products are so bomb.
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Well we might not completely rule the joint yet, but we're growing.........

Remember, while the sensor in the oven says 'hot now', the load doesn't know it yet. Conduction through the glass is slow for the calories per minute and there's a fair 'thermal mass' that has to be heated to 400F or so to make magic.

It 'shows ready' quickly, but like sticking a cold stem into a hot Solo, full vapor production is going to take some time to happen. Thermodynamics is stubborn that way. No known magic can counter those rules.

Don't buy Solo II expecting solid vapor from cold in half a minute, save your money. Or, if you must, get a vape like Summit that's designed to do that sort of duty. Or, if you like to fiddle, ESV is well worth considering IMO. As is the Divine Crossing "Dry Herb Atomizer" driven by a suitable Mod. I have and can recommend all 3 of those for that function. With some compromises, VG and VM are also recommended if you're in a hurry. Hammer was fun as well, but somehow I've misplaced mine.

Summit, DC and ESV do it without fire, which many find a 'must'.

OF
 
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