Anvil by Vestratto
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My_50p_worth
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The main point of my comment was that you could get high off the condensate in a pinch.. the method of vaporisation is not of much consequence in that context. I’m sure you’re right though
The whole “what is it?” debate has become pretty circular tbh, so I’m just enjoying the anvil effects and leaving the theory to the nerds
Find myself hoping Vestratto is successful well into the future. Absolutely in love with the Anvil. Used it every day since founders released. Never been so sure about a vape purchase. Would be such a loss if we could not get parts/new models in the future.
I guess it's built to last. I imagine maybe only the herb chambers would be the point of failure years into the future.
I guess it's built to last. I imagine maybe only the herb chambers would be the point of failure years into the future.
caseball2051
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I'm hoping we can buy individual parts soon on the vestratto store. Since I've been buying accessories I'm kinda close to assembling a backup Anvil.
I'm also hoping we hear about an induction heater soon.
I'm also hoping we hear about an induction heater soon.
I was encouraged by reading John's reference to a custom induction heater for the Anvil.
I've been using my Anvil with induction heaters exclusively for several months now. I have it dialed in on 5 different induction heaters, including the Wand. I get very even dark brown ABV on a single draw every time.
The good news is that several of the current breed of induction heaters designed for the Dynavap have sufficient power and battery capacity to work nicely with the Anvil. The biggest drawback to all of them is the heat cycle timeout, but it's pretty simple to work around that by using multiple heat cycles.
What I really hope Vestratto takes into account is the importance of the depth of the Anvil within the coils. Providing flexibility in this area is ideal. The user should be able to easily and efficiently adjust the depth of the Anvil within the coils.
Also, since the "thermal battery" is composed of copper there is no need for it to fit inside the induction heater. I have read posts where people thought the Anvil didn't fit in their induction heater because it wouldn't go in past the thermal battery. Only the parts above the thermal battery need to fit.
So with the current IH technology developed for the DV, with firmware tweaks to eliminate the need for heat cycle timeouts, an induction heater tuned for the Anvil should be a snap.
What IHs have you tried?
My_50p_worth
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And my question is which ones other than the Wand?
My_50p_worth
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I wasn’t replying to you my dude! @fogbank is your man, he’s been doing a fair bit of experimenting with IH.
I think the UFO one works, but battery life is a little suspect due to the demands Anvil places on it
UFO, Black Shadow, YLL Induction Heater, iSpire Wand, and Hot Fire Pro (aka "Click and Go", "Cuboo", etc).
The UFO, Black Shadow, and Hot Fire Pro all seem to use the same firmware and share the same algorithms (12 second timeout, 5 cycle cutoff, etc). I would consider these to be the same heater, with different performance based on how deep the Anvil sits in the heater. In fact my Hot Fire Pro came in a UFO box. The manuals for all 3 are basically identical with just the product name changed.
The YLL differs in that it has both power and temp modes (I use power mode) and it has a 16 second timeout. It also features a nice visual display of the timer, temp, etc...
The Wand also has distinct modes but uses different algorithms than the others. It seems to have a heat cycle timeout at about 55 seconds (flashes). It also has a larger coil, and it has no bulit-in "bottom". I use the silicone sleeve from the Dynavap adapter and I use a metal screen to form the "bottom". That way the Anvil fits in the opening just up to the thermal battery.
For all of the heaters I had to dial in the technique through trial and error. I combusted quite a few times in the beginning. I learned when to expect the click, and how long past the click I needed to heat to get the desired results. It is a little different for each heater.
I have not seen any issues with battery life. I do see some difference in performance with a fully charged battery vs. a partially charged one. The click always seems to come a few seconds earlier on a fully charged battery.
However, most of the time the heaters will not take a re-charge after a single Anvil session. I have to go at least two Anvil sessions before the heaters will attempt to charge the battery again. So I don't think that battery life is a big issue. Of course the Wand has replaceable batteries, so that's a plus.
As I mentioned previously, the difference in performance usually comes down to the dept of the Anvil within the heating coil. The deeper it sits, the longer it takes to click. Same principle as the DV.
If there was never a dedicated induction heater for the Anvil I wouldn't be too disappointed. The heaters I have work well enough. It would be nice to have one without the timeouts etc..
My_50p_worth
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Could you expand on this? With the UFO I found I’d get somewhere around 45-50 DV heat cycles on a full battery.
How is it with Anvil? If you haven’t done a full battery test on any of them, then what is the most bowls you’ve done before charging?
Thanks man, I appreciate your IH tinkering with anvil - it’s an interesting read as always
justcametomind
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I think that if an IH has a timeout time which is not a minute or so, it could put a lot of stress on the unit's battery (and plastics/structure) doing back to back heating times, something like doing back to back bowls on a Crafty. Not made for it and could be shortening the unit life, or even be capable of fire hazards.
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Many thanks! Been giving that YLL a hard look even before reading this...
Sorry I worded that poorly. I should have said that I haven't seen any issues with battery longevity, not battery life. Battery life is commonly used to describe how long a battery will last on a given charge. I was referring to how long the battery will last in the unit before it fails to hold a charge.
I can't compare battery life between the Anvil and the DV because I always try to keep the heaters fully charged. I usually charge them after 2 Anvil sessions - I really never let them run all the way down. I don't charge as often when using them with DVs.
I haven't had any issues with the heaters and back-to-back heat cycles. I agree that they were not designed for the Anvil, but they seem to work fine. I've been doing it for months now and haven't started any fires
I have no concerns about shortening the unit life of the heaters. I'll just use them until they fail and then replace them. At this point I have enough to last me years!I found a very sexy induction heater made by a guy in Kyiv but I'm not sure if the Anvil will fit it. Can anyone measure the diameter of the Anvil's oven for me please? I don't have an Anvil yet but I sure will own one in the future and want to be well prepared
DocNicksche
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That's a sexy IH indeed!I found a very sexy induction heater made by a guy in Kyiv but I'm not sure if the Anvil will fit it. Can anyone measure the diameter of the Anvil's oven for me please? I don't have an Anvil yet but I sure will own one in the future and want to be well prepared
Can you provide a Link or something?
The guy who produces them doesn't have a web page, it's sold on our local OLX . I haven't tried it yet, my wife will kill me if I buy anything vaping related in the near future ))) What I know about it from the words of the seller who also produces it:
- wall powered
- DV clicks in under 5 seconds (I'm not sure that's a good thing actually)
- wall powered
- DV clicks in under 5 seconds (I'm not sure that's a good thing actually)
My_50p_worth
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Probably just a ZVS build in a fancy case, there’s loads like that on Reddit.
You can make your own with relatively little electronics skill
Not entirely confident those boards can run an Anvil, though
Maybe you're right, will talk about that with a seller. But in the end of the day it's more important how it works than what's inside for me. If it works fine with DV and Anvil I would like to have one, but we need someone to volunteer spending about 100 bucks for testing )))
GoldenBud
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yeah....the first hit of the Anvil is like... conduction to the face.. 100% conduction.... then, I think, the temperature of the bowl drops... and the air feeds the chamber again is getting warmer because of the Copper... and the second big cloud is the convection/radiation/convection surprisingly good flavour and really satisfying.... a vape from outer space, 1 hit is conduction, the second to come is a mix, when you heat the vape not ON your herb, magic can happen eh?!
My_50p_worth
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They’re more or less the same thing when you’re talking IH! If you build your own you can also size the coil to fit Anvil (something I’m sure you’ve found out not all IH coils can do) and then tweak a few things to get the performance you desire.
I’d definitely recommend looking into it dude
I don't have the exact diameter of the Anvil's oven, but the Anvil will fit into an opening that is 13mm.I found a very sexy induction heater made by a guy in Kyiv but I'm not sure if the Anvil will fit it. Can anyone measure the diameter of the Anvil's oven for me please? I don't have an Anvil yet but I sure will own one in the future and want to be well prepared
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The YLL that I received has the hole in the case slightly askew from the heating coil, so the Anvil tends to "catch" a little when inserting/removing it from the heater. Otherwise it works fine.
DocNicksche
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Un-f*ing-believable! I finally received my Anvil today! 
I placed my order a pretty long while ago (sometime in march) and had troubles with customs... It went back to vestratto, I was pissed as one can be. Vestratto promised to figure something Out... It sure took it's sweet time and more than once I was just thinking “F**k that! I'll try to get a refund and wait until I can buy it in Europe". Vestratto always answered my mails during the time and they absolutely kept their word... Today, I'm finally visiting Anville!
Edit: I wish the purple would match better
...the second pic is the copper after the first torching and approx. 4 hits.
I really have to say that the buildquality and feel is amazing. You can see how much development and craftmenship went into this device.
I only used it once today:
Original mouthpiece, integrated stem, half Bowl, and a slow torching on the ring above the battery for a nice native Hit (I just thought I won't overdo it with the first try, but I'm definitely intrigued to ride the line
).
Tbh, it wasn't nearly as hot as I expected it from reading the forum here.
I got like 3 nice Hits from one heating. After unscrewing the Bowl I found the abv still pretty light, almost green still. So I decided to heat again (same Spot), but IMO the hit I got wasn't worth the butane to heat again
That were my exact thoughts after my first try! The first hit really made me think " Meh...yet another fancy DV type Vape with the typical toasty-popcorny-conduction signature" , but, like you say, the second hit is where I felt the difference. That one was way tastier and much more satisfying!
I have to play with that thing a Bit more still, but the first impressions are very positive for me!
I placed my order a pretty long while ago (sometime in march) and had troubles with customs... It went back to vestratto, I was pissed as one can be. Vestratto promised to figure something Out... It sure took it's sweet time and more than once I was just thinking “F**k that! I'll try to get a refund and wait until I can buy it in Europe". Vestratto always answered my mails during the time and they absolutely kept their word... Today, I'm finally visiting Anville!
Edit: I wish the purple would match better
...the second pic is the copper after the first torching and approx. 4 hits. I really have to say that the buildquality and feel is amazing. You can see how much development and craftmenship went into this device.
I only used it once today:
Original mouthpiece, integrated stem, half Bowl, and a slow torching on the ring above the battery for a nice native Hit (I just thought I won't overdo it with the first try, but I'm definitely intrigued to ride the line
).Tbh, it wasn't nearly as hot as I expected it from reading the forum here.
I got like 3 nice Hits from one heating. After unscrewing the Bowl I found the abv still pretty light, almost green still. So I decided to heat again (same Spot), but IMO the hit I got wasn't worth the butane to heat again
yeah....the first hit of the Anvil is like... conduction to the face.. 100% conduction.... then, I think, the temperature of the bowl drops... and the air feeds the chamber again is getting warmer because of the Copper... and the second big cloud is the convection/radiation/convection surprisingly good flavour and really satisfying.... a vape from outer space, 1 hit is conduction, the second to come is a mix, when you heat the vape not ON your herb, magic can happen eh?!
That were my exact thoughts after my first try! The first hit really made me think " Meh...yet another fancy DV type Vape with the typical toasty-popcorny-conduction signature" , but, like you say, the second hit is where I felt the difference. That one was way tastier and much more satisfying!
I have to play with that thing a Bit more still, but the first impressions are very positive for me!
cptofnthng
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You could have bought an anvil in europe for quite some time now.
DocNicksche
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@cptofnthng yeah, I know. I think you posted it was available at verdampftnochmal about 2 month ago. Tbh, I thought about getting it there, but at the same time, Vestratto contacted me to tell me they have a solution for my problem. Additionally, I could add some stuff to my original order and all came together.
I just wanted to give Vestratto a chance and they did not dissapoint.
I'm a patient Guy and I have some other vapes that kept me in good company during this long-ass wait.
In the end I got what I ordered and my patience was honored too
So, cheers to vestratto and all my fellow Anville citizens
I just wanted to give Vestratto a chance and they did not dissapoint.
I'm a patient Guy and I have some other vapes that kept me in good company during this long-ass wait.
In the end I got what I ordered and my patience was honored too
So, cheers to vestratto and all my fellow Anville citizens