Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"
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Haywood
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I tried with a 1/2 gram ampule first too.
After a day or so, with great results, I added another two ampules; three ampules fill up the mPT3. Been using it for a week with zero leaks or problems. This weekend a bunch of friends and I managed to kill one ampule worth, in a couple of hours. Not quite chain vaping, but close, also with 100% success (and no leaks). Only other tips I can think of have to do with the filling part. Warm up the mPT3 in your hand for a while so the PG being squeezed out of the ampule doesn't suddenly get much more viscous by hitting a cold glass tank and to try to aim the open tip of the ampule below the threads (and of course not into the center air tube). Take your time squeezing the ampule, as the PG is very thick, and if you don't give it time to slide down the side of the tank, it will glop up and go down the center air tube.Oh, and none of my Vision Spinner VV eGo type batteries would fire the 1.5Ω atty; not sure if the eGo-C twist will, but if it doesn't, the 2.0Ω atty's you got should work fine. I wound up preferring the 2.0Ω ones anyway.
Well, both of mine haven't leaked yet, even with thin 100% Propylene Glycol, and certainly not with the thick Pure Gold that lives there now. As more people here get them, we'll get more reports. Kief is a bad idea for this application because it's full of plant material, which will clog everything up, especially the wick and coil.
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Good to know, I probably avoid it. Another question in the past I was able to get these liquid tinctures(I think called kwc?), which I tried in the early days of e-cigs to use on the old drip style atomizers, with no luck. Now if I were to get such liquid again(it has a nice mint flavor if I remember correctly), can I use it in say the Kanger, or would I need to mix a bit of EJ in there for it to work?
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
@lesvape Depends on how thick and pure the liquid is (whether it will work in a clearo). Don't know why the liquid you speak of wouldn't work on a drip atty? Maybe someone else here knows what kind of liquid you're talking about. Tincture (to me) usually implies an alcohol based liquid that's meant to be imbibed rather than vaporized.
Todai
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Thanks for your thoughts, @Haywood
A friend of mine uses a hair dryer laid on it's side on the table, then moves the cart in and out of the hot air stream to keep the tank warm and help with loading. He's not using PG, but it sounds like it would work here also.
You think something like an Innokin MVP would work better with the 1.5ohms coils? I don't own one, but was thinking of grabbing one just because it has VV, VW, and also inclues a built-in ohm meter.
Once the mPT3s get here, I will update with my experience.
Oh - Kanger is also about to release the Aerotank Mini also. Almost identical to the mPT3 but has adjustable airflow and a new coil design where the wick is enclosed. It sounds great, since you can essentially control the vacuum inside the tank to adjust for different thicknesses of the oil/juice.
Here's a review:
A friend of mine uses a hair dryer laid on it's side on the table, then moves the cart in and out of the hot air stream to keep the tank warm and help with loading. He's not using PG, but it sounds like it would work here also.
You think something like an Innokin MVP would work better with the 1.5ohms coils? I don't own one, but was thinking of grabbing one just because it has VV, VW, and also inclues a built-in ohm meter.
Once the mPT3s get here, I will update with my experience.
Oh - Kanger is also about to release the Aerotank Mini also. Almost identical to the mPT3 but has adjustable airflow and a new coil design where the wick is enclosed. It sounds great, since you can essentially control the vacuum inside the tank to adjust for different thicknesses of the oil/juice.
Here's a review:
I think the atty did not get hot enough? This was during the early days of e-cigs where to get variable voltage models wasn't affordable. I want to say it was alcohol based, but I am not 100% sure, but I do remember it tasting like mint/peppermint.
I saw the areotank mini and regular in a store today, I kind of like the look of the Protank 3 better, but efficiency is the most important thing though.
215z
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Todai: "You think something like an Innokin MVP would work better with the 1.5ohms coils? I don't own one, but was thinking of grabbing one just because it has VV, VW, and also inclues a built-in ohm meter."
That was an Innokin MVP2.0 in my pic of the donut-equipped UP KISS cart. In my opinion, its sweet spot is 2.0 to 2.5 ohms, and I get the most use out of it closer to 2.5ohms. That said, the MVP will drive a 1.5ohm load well quite well. Here is a screencap from Phil Busardo's review on YouTube:
No, you're not too medicated yet, we can all barely read the text! But the 1.5ohm loads are the bar in the center of each group of bars. Is there a "better" regulated power supply out there, more suitable for a 1.5ohm load? Perhaps (eg DNA20 chipset) but certainly nothing at the $40 price point.
That was an Innokin MVP2.0 in my pic of the donut-equipped UP KISS cart. In my opinion, its sweet spot is 2.0 to 2.5 ohms, and I get the most use out of it closer to 2.5ohms. That said, the MVP will drive a 1.5ohm load well quite well. Here is a screencap from Phil Busardo's review on YouTube:
No, you're not too medicated yet, we can all barely read the text! But the 1.5ohm loads are the bar in the center of each group of bars. Is there a "better" regulated power supply out there, more suitable for a 1.5ohm load? Perhaps (eg DNA20 chipset) but certainly nothing at the $40 price point.
215z
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I was under the impression that people use the word "flexible" here somewhat loosely. Do you think I will be able build a "stovetop" wick with it, will it allow such a tight turn radius without fraying the fibers. If so, that would work awesome.
Low resistance loads, in general, don't work with the most widely distributed regulated power supplies: Ovale Ego clones. But that's just a matter of a little electrical work. 5V@2A, 4V@2.5A, and 3.3V@3A all get you to the same place, ten watts on your coil.
The guy repackaging Glade Plugin Scented Oil Warmer heating elements for e-cig use needs to actually sell them, and the only juicers lining up to spend $3 on a heating element are those who drip on rebuildables, and those people predominantly use single-cell unregulated power supplies. Why? Because regulated power supplies that can supply the 15W+ cost alot. Which gets us to the problem with these ceramic heating elements: power. The element has SO MUCH MORE surface area than a filament coil does, that it takes SO MUCH MORE energy to reach the same temperature as 32g wire. This is a problem with all big elements, my UP KISS generates plumes of vapor at 6W but the UP Hercules needs 20W to nail you.
The good news? This element has SO MUCH MORE surface area than a coil, that the oil on it gets quite evenly heated. (not really, there are cold spots where its legs are welded on) This is quite a world apart from the 750 degree coil which quite frankly generates a combination of both vapor and smoke. Long story short: Is it working for me? Vapor production is lame at 10W. I'm convinced that that if I could crank the power up to 15W or more, and couple it tightly to a wick, I would be happy. That may just be wishful stoner thinking, but I am not giving up until I try it on an unregulated IMR 18650.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
Warning: Another one of my very long messages...
The Innokin itaste VV V3 is like an eGo style battery on steroids. I've been using a VV V3 for a couple of months now. It's the size of 900mAh eGo, but has the brains of the much larger full feature mods, in particular, it has the same chip as the MVP. So it's full variable wattage as well as variable voltage, has a built in ohm meter, a really nice blue LED display, and a nice multi-colored illuminated fire button.
It works great, and it charges via a standard micro-usb port on the bottom (with pseudo pass-through as well). It also has a "puff counter", which I initially thought I'd never use, but it's nice to know how many hits you can get out of a full charge, or out of a given clearo or the like. Oh, and it's square, not round. Feels nice in the hand, won't roll off the table.
About the only limitation is that it's only 800mAh; that's the tradeoff that allows it to be so small. Unbelievably, it will actually fire a 1.0Ω load (though only at a fixed 3.2 Volts which is 10 Watts, no matter what you set it to). 1.5Ω is about as low as you want to go and still be able to adjust things. Even there you'll be limited to about 3.6 Volts (or 8.5 Watts), even if you set it higher. This is still better than all the eGo type VV's will do, but it's not as good with low ohm loads as some of the much larger Innokin stuff (like the SVD). Once you get to 2.0Ω and above loads, it pretty much puts out what it says it's going to, though it never quite makes 5 Volts or 11 Watts. As a step up from any eGo or eGo Twist or Vision Spinner, I recommend this highly.
Phil Busardo did a review on the VV V3 too, and the graph 215z put up for the MVP (see below) shows the same thing that the graph for the VV V3 shows. Neither the MVP or the VV V3 is particularly suitable for a 1.5Ω load, though they will both work. As I mentioned in previous messages, I find the 2.0Ω coil a much better match, both for the mods we're talking about, and for the oil we vape.
In the powerful mod category, if you're more inclined to go that direction, I would recommend one of the not-quite-released-yet clones of the Hana mod. It's got a DNA30, it's tiny machined aluminum box mod (smaller than a MVP), comes in 7 colors, and unlike the original Hana, it takes a user replaceable 18650 rather than a soldered in LiPo cell. It still has the built in charger and usb port, but you can also swap out batteries if you like. It's coming out of China and should be available next month. Pre-orders are around $70. Here are some links: link 1 link 2 This is a true kick-ass mod, delivers 7 - 30 watts, 4 - 8.3 volts, and drives loads from 0.4 - 3.0 ohms. If this turns out to be as wonderful as reported, it will be a real steal, and a mod that should serve any needs for the foreseeable future.
Phil Busardo and The Vaping Greek both have reviews up for the new AeroTank Mini and Mega. The Mini is already available for purchase (don't know if the Mega is yet). From what I can tell, there are only two differences between the AeroTank Mini and the Mini ProTank 3. The Aero is all SS and the mPT3 is chrome plated brass, and the Aero has an adjustable airflow while the mPT3 has a fixed airflow. I am delighted with the airflow of the mPT3, but if the adjustable airflow on the Aero works well, the Aero seems like it's worth the extra few bucks. All the pieces of both are interchangeable. Oh, and both kinds of dual coil atty's (in both 1.5Ω and 2.0Ω) are available for the Aero and the mPT3. The kind we're used to with both ends of the two wicks protruding outside the atty by 1mm, and the "new" kind, which have four holes drilled, and a wrap of some kind of fabric, and then the two wicks inside the fabric wrap, with the ends NOT protruding. At this point I can tell you that the atty's of the kind we're used to work great, wicking 100% and leaking 0%. No one knows yet if the "new" kind of atty's will work as well for our thick needs. They may, but we don't know yet. (And both kinds are going to be available, so it's not the end of the world if the "new" ones aren't as good for us). If you check out Phil's review, you can see him take apart one of the "new" atty's.
Phil Busardo's review:
Phil Busardo's update:
Actually, the MVP (and VV V3 for that matter) will work at 1.5Ω, but the MVP will only supply a maximum of about 3.6 volts to it. That limits you to about 8.5 watts and almost no adjustment range. As you note, for the MVP and the VV V3, 2.0Ω and up are much more suitable loads. (And I use my mPT3 with Pure Gold and the dual coil 2.0Ω atty on the VV V3 all the time, with great success and full adjustability).
Phew!
I don't recommend the MVP. Either get a more powerful mod, or the Innokin itaste VV V3, which is identical to the MVP with a MUCH smaller profile, cost, and a smaller capacity. The smaller capacity isn't particularly relevant when you're talking about drawing 7-10 watts and using it for concentrates. A genuine Innokin itaste VV V3 can be had for $25 (with free shipping) from Fasttech (in China). link If you don't want to wait a couple of weeks for China shipping, the VV V3 can be had for $30-$35 from a US dealer.
The Innokin itaste VV V3 is like an eGo style battery on steroids. I've been using a VV V3 for a couple of months now. It's the size of 900mAh eGo, but has the brains of the much larger full feature mods, in particular, it has the same chip as the MVP. So it's full variable wattage as well as variable voltage, has a built in ohm meter, a really nice blue LED display, and a nice multi-colored illuminated fire button.
It works great, and it charges via a standard micro-usb port on the bottom (with pseudo pass-through as well). It also has a "puff counter", which I initially thought I'd never use, but it's nice to know how many hits you can get out of a full charge, or out of a given clearo or the like. Oh, and it's square, not round. Feels nice in the hand, won't roll off the table.About the only limitation is that it's only 800mAh; that's the tradeoff that allows it to be so small. Unbelievably, it will actually fire a 1.0Ω load (though only at a fixed 3.2 Volts which is 10 Watts, no matter what you set it to). 1.5Ω is about as low as you want to go and still be able to adjust things. Even there you'll be limited to about 3.6 Volts (or 8.5 Watts), even if you set it higher. This is still better than all the eGo type VV's will do, but it's not as good with low ohm loads as some of the much larger Innokin stuff (like the SVD). Once you get to 2.0Ω and above loads, it pretty much puts out what it says it's going to, though it never quite makes 5 Volts or 11 Watts. As a step up from any eGo or eGo Twist or Vision Spinner, I recommend this highly.
Phil Busardo did a review on the VV V3 too, and the graph 215z put up for the MVP (see below) shows the same thing that the graph for the VV V3 shows. Neither the MVP or the VV V3 is particularly suitable for a 1.5Ω load, though they will both work. As I mentioned in previous messages, I find the 2.0Ω coil a much better match, both for the mods we're talking about, and for the oil we vape.
In the powerful mod category, if you're more inclined to go that direction, I would recommend one of the not-quite-released-yet clones of the Hana mod. It's got a DNA30, it's tiny machined aluminum box mod (smaller than a MVP), comes in 7 colors, and unlike the original Hana, it takes a user replaceable 18650 rather than a soldered in LiPo cell. It still has the built in charger and usb port, but you can also swap out batteries if you like. It's coming out of China and should be available next month. Pre-orders are around $70. Here are some links: link 1 link 2 This is a true kick-ass mod, delivers 7 - 30 watts, 4 - 8.3 volts, and drives loads from 0.4 - 3.0 ohms. If this turns out to be as wonderful as reported, it will be a real steal, and a mod that should serve any needs for the foreseeable future.
Phil Busardo and The Vaping Greek both have reviews up for the new AeroTank Mini and Mega. The Mini is already available for purchase (don't know if the Mega is yet). From what I can tell, there are only two differences between the AeroTank Mini and the Mini ProTank 3. The Aero is all SS and the mPT3 is chrome plated brass, and the Aero has an adjustable airflow while the mPT3 has a fixed airflow. I am delighted with the airflow of the mPT3, but if the adjustable airflow on the Aero works well, the Aero seems like it's worth the extra few bucks. All the pieces of both are interchangeable. Oh, and both kinds of dual coil atty's (in both 1.5Ω and 2.0Ω) are available for the Aero and the mPT3. The kind we're used to with both ends of the two wicks protruding outside the atty by 1mm, and the "new" kind, which have four holes drilled, and a wrap of some kind of fabric, and then the two wicks inside the fabric wrap, with the ends NOT protruding. At this point I can tell you that the atty's of the kind we're used to work great, wicking 100% and leaking 0%. No one knows yet if the "new" kind of atty's will work as well for our thick needs. They may, but we don't know yet. (And both kinds are going to be available, so it's not the end of the world if the "new" ones aren't as good for us). If you check out Phil's review, you can see him take apart one of the "new" atty's.
Phil Busardo's review:
Phil Busardo's update:
Note my comments above. I suspect there will be little difference between the Aero and the mPT3, other than the ability to adjust the airflow. Still, the all SS construction of the Aero is definitely a plus.
That was an Innokin MVP2.0 in my pic of the donut-equipped UP KISS cart. In my opinion, its sweet spot is 2.0 to 2.5 ohms, and I get the most use out of it closer to 2.5ohms. That said, the MVP will drive a 1.5ohm load well quite well. Here is a screencap from Phil Busardo's review on YouTube:
No, you're not too medicated yet, we can all barely read the text! But the 1.5ohm loads are the bar in the center of each group of bars. Is there a "better" regulated power supply out there, more suitable for a 1.5ohm load? Perhaps (eg DNA20 chipset) but certainly nothing at the $40 price point.
Actually, the MVP (and VV V3 for that matter) will work at 1.5Ω, but the MVP will only supply a maximum of about 3.6 volts to it. That limits you to about 8.5 watts and almost no adjustment range. As you note, for the MVP and the VV V3, 2.0Ω and up are much more suitable loads. (And I use my mPT3 with Pure Gold and the dual coil 2.0Ω atty on the VV V3 all the time, with great success and full adjustability).
Phew!
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Darb
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Placed an order with Fasttech last night. Got a VV V3 and a couple PT3's with extra 2ohm coils coming. Thanks for the link to the DNA 30 clone. Looks like I'll have to preorder one of those too. That's a great price for that mod IMO. Especially when compared to the price of branded herbal/concentrate power supplies.Warning: Another one of my very long messages...
I don't recommend the MVP. Either get a more powerful mod, or the Innokin itaste VV V3, which is identical to the MVP with a MUCH smaller profile, cost, and a smaller capacity. The smaller capacity isn't particularly relevant when you're talking about drawing 7-10 watts and using it for concentrates. A genuine Innokin itaste VV V3 can be had for $25 (with free shipping) from Fasttech (in China). link If you don't want to wait a couple of weeks for China shipping, the VV V3 can be had for $30-$35 from a US dealer.
The Innokin itaste VV V3 is like an eGo style battery on steroids. I've been using a VV V3 for a couple of months now. It's the size of 900mAh eGo, but has the brains of the much larger full feature mods, in particular, it has the same chip as the MVP. So it's full variable wattage as well as variable voltage, has a built in ohm meter, a really nice blue LED display, and a nice multi-colored illuminated fire button.
About the only limitation is that it's only 800mAh; that's the tradeoff that allows it to be so small. Unbelievably, it will actually fire a 1.0Ω load (though only at a fixed 3.2 Volts which is 10 Watts, no matter what you set it to). 1.5Ω is about as low as you want to go and still be able to adjust things. Even there you'll be limited to about 3.6 Volts (or 8.5 Watts), even if you set it higher. This is still better than all the eGo type VV's will do, but it's not as good with low ohm loads as some of the much larger Innokin stuff (like the SVD). Once you get to 2.0Ω and above loads, it pretty much puts out what it says it's going to, though it never quite makes 5 Volts or 11 Watts. As a step up from any eGo or eGo Twist or Vision Spinner, I recommend this highly.
Phil Busardo did a review on the VV V3 too, and the graph 215z put up for the MVP (see below) shows the same thing that the graph for the VV V3 shows. Neither the MVP or the VV V3 is particularly suitable for a 1.5Ω load, though they will both work. As I mentioned in previous messages, I find the 2.0Ω coil a much better match, both for the mods we're talking about, and for the oil we vape.
In the powerful mod category, if you're more inclined to go that direction, I would recommend one of the not-quite-released-yet clones of the Hana mod. It's got a DNA30, it's tiny machined aluminum box mod (smaller than a MVP), comes in 7 colors, and unlike the original Hana, it takes a user replaceable 18650 rather than a soldered in LiPo cell. It still has the built in charger and usb port, but you can also swap out batteries if you like. It's coming out of China and should be available next month. Pre-orders are around $70. Here are some links: link 1 link 2 This is a true kick-ass mod, delivers 7 - 30 watts, 4 - 8.3 volts, and drives loads from 0.4 - 3.0 ohms. If this turns out to be as wonderful as reported, it will be a real steal, and a mod that should serve any needs for the foreseeable future.
Phil Busardo and The Vaping Greek both have reviews up for the new AeroTank Mini and Mega. The Mini is already available for purchase (don't know if the Mega is yet). From what I can tell, there are only two differences between the AeroTank Mini and the Mini ProTank 3. The Aero is all SS and the mPT3 is chrome plated brass, and the Aero has an adjustable airflow while the mPT3 has a fixed airflow. I am delighted with the airflow of the mPT3, but if the adjustable airflow on the Aero works well, the Aero seems like it's worth the extra few bucks. All the pieces of both are interchangeable. Oh, and both kinds of dual coil atty's (in both 1.5Ω and 2.0Ω) are available for the Aero and the mPT3. The kind we're used to with both ends of the two wicks protruding outside the atty by 1mm, and the "new" kind, which have four holes drilled, and a wrap of some kind of fabric, and then the two wicks inside the fabric wrap, with the ends NOT protruding. At this point I can tell you that the atty's of the kind we're used to work great, wicking 100% and leaking 0%. No one knows yet if the "new" kind of atty's will work as well for our thick needs. They may, but we don't know yet. (And both kinds are going to be available, so it's not the end of the world if the "new" ones aren't as good for us). If you check out Phil's review, you can see him take apart one of the "new" atty's.
Phil Busardo's review:
Phil Busardo's update:
Note my comments above. I suspect there will be little difference between the Aero and the mPT3, other than the ability to adjust the airflow. Still, the all SS construction of the Aero is definitely a plus.
Actually, the MVP (and VV V3 for that matter) will work at 1.5Ω, but the MVP will only supply a maximum of about 3.6 volts to it. That limits you to about 8.5 watts and almost no adjustment range. As you note, for the MVP and the VV V3, 2.0Ω and up are much more suitable loads. (And I use my mPT3 with Pure Gold and the dual coil 2.0Ω atty on the VV V3 all the time, with great success and full adjustability).
Phew!
I see it was mentioned in this thread but has anybody on here tried the Gentlemans brand DIY PG/VG Blend for mixing with concentrates yet?
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
@Darb Fasttech just listed the DNA20 version of the Hana clone this morning. $52. (Or $65 if you get the clone with a built in LiPo battery instead of a replaceable 18650). Not the DNA30 version yet though. I would NOT order one (from anyone) until they start showing up and some reports start coming in. Not sure yet if there is a single clone from a single mfg or multiple different clones from different mfgs.
Good luck with the VV V3 and the mPT3!
@215z The ceramic wicks are very flexible. As flexible as ecowool or silica. They are hollow, designed to hold (and insulate) a wire, for example. The stovetop coil is not designed to have a wick inside it, but you should be able to make a small coil of ceramic wick (or any wick) to place below (and maybe above?) the coil. This is unexplored territory (as of yet).
And so far, no one has come up with a really satisfactory method of using the ceramic donut heaters. There are a handful of so-so reviews. There are apparently higher resistance versions available now, which would be good for us, if they work OK. Let us know how your experiments go!
Good luck with the VV V3 and the mPT3!
@215z The ceramic wicks are very flexible. As flexible as ecowool or silica. They are hollow, designed to hold (and insulate) a wire, for example. The stovetop coil is not designed to have a wick inside it, but you should be able to make a small coil of ceramic wick (or any wick) to place below (and maybe above?) the coil. This is unexplored territory (as of yet).
And so far, no one has come up with a really satisfactory method of using the ceramic donut heaters. There are a handful of so-so reviews. There are apparently higher resistance versions available now, which would be good for us, if they work OK. Let us know how your experiments go!
Thanks for the link to the Hana clones @Haywood, I've got 2 coming so I will report my success or failure. I also have some fc-2000 ceramic waiting to be spun with some 32 ga. kanthal. Thanks for the insight to the rest of ya'.
to add, I have enjoyed great success with the Cisco spec 510 bridgeless atomizers from Avid vapes. I have not found the Joy version in stock elsewhere. Same setup as seen above .
to add, I have enjoyed great success with the Cisco spec 510 bridgeless atomizers from Avid vapes. I have not found the Joy version in stock elsewhere. Same setup as seen above .
215z
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For what its worth @Haywood I'm very medicated right now on Chemdawg 'D' bho off the ceramic. The taste is incredible, without the burnt taste and feeling of smoke that comes off a hot filament. Vapor production is poor, so it took me 4 times as long to get medicated, not very practical long term. But to me, there is so much potential here for me to enjoy oil without burning it.
@Darb if Fastech doesn't ship out the VV next day like they promised, I personally will vouch for this ebay seller http://www.ebay.com/itm/iTaste-VV-3...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2c80a6b4ca I'm still waiting on stuff from fastech/slowtech, it has been like 3 wks.
@Darb if Fastech doesn't ship out the VV next day like they promised, I personally will vouch for this ebay seller http://www.ebay.com/itm/iTaste-VV-3...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2c80a6b4ca I'm still waiting on stuff from fastech/slowtech, it has been like 3 wks.
Todai
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Wow thanks for the detailed reply @Haywood ! And yours as well, @215z !
I've never heard of Phil Busardo before, but I really liked his style and his reviews, I'll be watching more of his stuff for sure.
I'm going to hold off on buying a mod until I can do a little more research into what I need vs. what I want. The V3 and SVD both look great! Not sure if the 8.3v/30w of that Hana clone is something I'll need but keeping options open. My first experiment will be with the Ego Twist I already have and the 2.0 ohm coils.
Also thinking of picking up the Aerotank Mini, just to compare and contrast against the mPT3, like you said looks like both the new and old style coils will work in either.
I also have a new ThermoVape Luna on the way, so she'll keep me company until the Kanger tanks get here, lol.
I've never heard of Phil Busardo before, but I really liked his style and his reviews, I'll be watching more of his stuff for sure.
I'm going to hold off on buying a mod until I can do a little more research into what I need vs. what I want. The V3 and SVD both look great! Not sure if the 8.3v/30w of that Hana clone is something I'll need but keeping options open. My first experiment will be with the Ego Twist I already have and the 2.0 ohm coils.
Also thinking of picking up the Aerotank Mini, just to compare and contrast against the mPT3, like you said looks like both the new and old style coils will work in either.
I also have a new ThermoVape Luna on the way, so she'll keep me company until the Kanger tanks get here, lol.
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
Thing is definitely a one hitter quitter ... haven't touched my e cig stuff since I got mine although I'd like to finally get around to making a cera/Luna eo style cart out of e cig parts.
lewis6000
New Member
How about a "one" hitter that you only have to load once a month?
Here's my first report of using a genuine Kanger Mini ProTank 3 with liquified concentrates (in this case, undiluted Pure Gold, which is really thick stuff, easily as thick or thicker than honey). I had a hard time deciding if this post should be in a new thread, or in this thread, or in the "best clearo for pure gold" thread, and the reason I'm leaving it here is because I think it's really relevant to what we've been talking about the past few pages and it applies to any concentrate that is liquid enough to flow, not just Pure Gold. There's been much talk in this and other threads about how to mix your concentrates with, e.g., EJMix or Vegetable Glycerin or Propylene Glycol, etc. so I won't get into it in this message. Anyway, that's why I'm posting this here.
Before I put the first drop of Pure Gold into the mPT3, I wanted to test how well it did with both thin and thick liquids. I changed out the stock 1.5Ω dual coil atty with a genuine Kanger 2.0Ω dual coil PT3 atty, as I only had two of the 1.5Ω attys, but I had five of the 2.0Ω ones, and I wanted to save the 1.5Ω attys for when I loaded Pure Gold. So I loaded 100% Vegetable Glycerin into it, and carried it around for a few days, taking puffs every few hours when I remembered. (Barf; vaping pure VG sucks, even when you just take it into your mouth before exhaling). I went through two tanks of VG (~3ml) with no dry hits and no leaks. I wasn't expecting any leaks (the VG is really thick stuff), but I was happy to discover that the factory 2.0Ω dual coil atty in the mPT3 was able to wick the 100% VG well.
Then I emptied and cleaned out the mPT3, which is really, really easy to do, and filled it with 100% Propylene Glycol. This is really thin stuff, not quite as thin as water, but pretty thin. I carried it around for two days as well, puffing away, and it didn't leak at all (and of course, wicked just fine). For my final test, I loaded it with one of my favorite e-juices (a 70%PG/30%PG blend, pretty thin), and flew from the east coast to the west coast with in my pocket, used it (and refilled it) the whole time I was on the west coast, and flew with it back to the east coast three days later. Worked 100%, leaked 0%.
So I was sold.
I cleaned it out again, switched the factory 2.0Ω dual coil I had been using with a factory 1.5Ω dual coil, and filled it up with three ampules of Pure Gold (a gram and a half worth, which in this case is also a ml and a half). This was scary as dealing with reclaiming a ml and a half of Pure Gold if this didn't work was not something I was looking forward to. Even heated up to, say, 105°F, Pure Gold is a horrible sticky mess to deal with.
Fortunately, it worked. And it worked great. It works significantly better than my old Pure Gold champ, the GotVapes Sapphire. Much much airier draw. Much more control of the density of the vapor and the throat hit. And more importantly, much better flavor. Only one thing wasn't ideal; the 1.5Ω load was too low for all but my sophisticated mods. It wouldn't work on any of my eGo batteries, including the outstanding Vision Spinner variable voltage eGo batteries. Bummer. It's not that the 1.5Ω mPT3 atty requires a lot of power or anything, it's happy with 7.5 - 10.0 watts, it's that its resistance is too low for the tiny batteries. On the mod I'd been using, I was only running 7.5 watts most of the time.
So I took out the mouthpiece, turned the mPT3 upside down, put it under my arm (yeah, yeah, I have a double boiler, but bite me), and let the gram and a half of Pure Gold settle into the top section of the tank. I took off the bottom of the mPT3 (the same way you fill it), unscrewed the 1.5Ω atty and replaced it with one of the 2.0Ω attys. Put everything back together, turned the mPT3 back over, and put it back under my arm for a couple of minutes. Put it on a battery, took a half dozen unpowered hits, set the battery for 7.5 watts, and... Everything worked perfectly, and now the mPT3 worked on all of my batteries, even the tiny fixed voltage 350mAh eGo I have for stealth. Wheee!
I used the 1.5Ω dual coil atty for about 24 hours before I switched it out for the 2.0Ω dual coil atty. It worked just fine, but I had my battery set for its absolute minimum, and even then sometimes I got a bigger hit for the amount I sucked than I liked. So using the factory 2.0Ω dual coil atty is a much better choice for me. I now have range to adjust any of my vv batteries both below what I like, and higher than I like, which is perfect.
I'm still wrapping my head around being able to fill the mPT3 with $100 worth of Pure Gold, and not having to refill it for a couple of months!!! Oh, and the used 1.5Ω atty that I took out of the mPT3 that was full of Pure Gold? I weighed it when I took it out and then I weighed it again after it had soaked and been agitated in Everclear (95% ethanol). Looks like I only lost 0.04 grams to changing out the atty even though the tank was full. I am not only surprised and pleased by how easy the mPT3 is to clean, but how easy it is too get to (and modify) the atty, and how little waste there is if one has to change out an atty.
A couple of caveats: I haven't been using the mPT3 long enough to know how it will do over a long period of time, and whether the atty will clog up and screw up the draw or start leaking; this is the beginning of the story. Be careful not to lose the tiny O-Rings when you clean your mPT3. And one of the reasons that I used the word "factory" so much in this post is because Kanger stuff, including their replacement attys, gets counterfeited all the time. I made sure I was getting genuine stuff; you should too.
Next adventure with the mPT3 will be to wind my own coil using some ceramic wick instead of the factory silica wick. Probably not right away though, all this testing has me too stoned right now.
thanks for this post! Where did you buy the factory 2.0Ω dual coil to replace the stock 1.5Ω atty. I only saw 1.8 Ω attys and 2.5 Ω attys on the fast tech website. Do you by chance have a link? Also my pro tank 2 mini works fine with ego mini batteries. Is that because the stock coil is 1.8 Ω ?
Todai
Well-Known Member
@lewis6000 I got the tank and the extra coils from MyVaporStore. Good folks, and really fast shipping.
http://www.myvaporstore.com/Atomizer_Head_for_Protank_3_Aerotank_EVOD2_T3D_p/krpt3-lsah.htm
I don't think these will work on the Protank 2 Mini, though. Not sure if you were planning to get a new kit.
You probably want these: http://www.myvaporstore.com/Atomizer_Head_for_Kanger_Protank_EVOD_Unitank_p/krpt-ah.htm
Looks like the only choices for the Protank 2 Mini are 1.8 or 2.4
http://www.myvaporstore.com/Atomizer_Head_for_Protank_3_Aerotank_EVOD2_T3D_p/krpt3-lsah.htm
I don't think these will work on the Protank 2 Mini, though. Not sure if you were planning to get a new kit.
You probably want these: http://www.myvaporstore.com/Atomizer_Head_for_Kanger_Protank_EVOD_Unitank_p/krpt-ah.htm
Looks like the only choices for the Protank 2 Mini are 1.8 or 2.4
lewis6000
New Member
Awesome. Thx for the link! Just ordered my PT 3 Mini with 2 extra 2.0Ω dual coils and the VV V3 battery so I should be all set. I'm currently using the PT 2 Mini with the ego C mini and it's been working rather well with a wax / EJ Mix. I'm expecting even better results with the new set up mentioned above. I'm now paranoid about leaks after lurking several of these threads. Fingers crossed.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
I've got three of them, and I get more life then I need. Days and days before recharging is necessary. Next to my VV V3, they're my favorite eGo style batteries. I also have a really tiny 300mAh eGo battery (not variable voltage) that I use when I want super stealth and easy pocket-ability.
I see you already have a link from @Todai, and the prices there are great. Not worth saving $3 on the VV V3 and having to wait 2-3 weeks for it to arrive from China! It's the newest version of the VV V3 as well, showing the extra rivets. As has been mentioned the attys for the mPT2 and the mPT3 are different, which is why you can't find 2.0Ω coil attys for the mPT2 (they don't offer 2.0Ω attys for the mPT2 but they do for the mPT3). I suspect that 1.8Ω is a high enough resistance to let your eGo mini fire it, while 1.5Ω will be just low enough to prevent the eGo mini from working. Different models and brands of eGo batteries are all a little different, and all have slightly different minimum allowable resistances. When your mPT3 arrives, you can tell us if your mini eGo batteries will fire the 1.5Ω atty.
fernand
Well-Known Member
@jdee is the silica "wick" a solid rod? How do you use it? I can see heating it up with the coil, then letting go of the switch and dripping onto the hot silica, as if it were a quartz nail. But if you start with a smear on the coil, and run it up to the state you show on the second photo, it will surely burn the oil.
All the low ohms coils arose only because the batteries were fixed voltage. As @Haywood says, you are much better off with 2 ohm coils. And if you have variable voltage, the 3 ohmers will give you more adjustability range.
On the subject of EJMix, and competition, there are a number of glycols that could be used for blending. PG was one of the originals, used in e-liquids because it wasn't too viscous and didn't have a strong taste. Glycerin is considered too polar to dissolve much oil, and many of the glycols have a nasty aftertaste, but there are evidently blends of specific glycols that can liquify oils better, without tasting horrible. I wouldn't buy the "it's just PG with VG" argument, as that's not likely true at all. There were enough separation horror stories.
Tinctures. There are all-VG tinctures, as well as alcohol-based ones. Alcohol tinctures aren't likely vapable unless you are made of steel or want to do a fire-blowing act. The VG ones are apparently weaker, precisely because VG doesn't dissolve/hold as much actives. If vaping even one full milliliter of a VG tincture to get 10 mg of THC sounds viable, then by all means go for it, but it appears that in many cases even 5 ml is not going to be enough.
In fact the lack of information as to (at least) THC content per unit weight or volume for many of the tinctures and edibles is very unfortunate. What they seem to consider a "solid dose" is around 15 mg of THC, and you often have to calculate backwards, Sherlock Holmes style, as you hold the package, to figure out if you're headed for a 12 hour terminal couch lock or a mild buzz.
All the low ohms coils arose only because the batteries were fixed voltage. As @Haywood says, you are much better off with 2 ohm coils. And if you have variable voltage, the 3 ohmers will give you more adjustability range.
On the subject of EJMix, and competition, there are a number of glycols that could be used for blending. PG was one of the originals, used in e-liquids because it wasn't too viscous and didn't have a strong taste. Glycerin is considered too polar to dissolve much oil, and many of the glycols have a nasty aftertaste, but there are evidently blends of specific glycols that can liquify oils better, without tasting horrible. I wouldn't buy the "it's just PG with VG" argument, as that's not likely true at all. There were enough separation horror stories.
Tinctures. There are all-VG tinctures, as well as alcohol-based ones. Alcohol tinctures aren't likely vapable unless you are made of steel or want to do a fire-blowing act. The VG ones are apparently weaker, precisely because VG doesn't dissolve/hold as much actives. If vaping even one full milliliter of a VG tincture to get 10 mg of THC sounds viable, then by all means go for it, but it appears that in many cases even 5 ml is not going to be enough.
In fact the lack of information as to (at least) THC content per unit weight or volume for many of the tinctures and edibles is very unfortunate. What they seem to consider a "solid dose" is around 15 mg of THC, and you often have to calculate backwards, Sherlock Holmes style, as you hold the package, to figure out if you're headed for a 12 hour terminal couch lock or a mild buzz.
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Todai
Well-Known Member
@Haywood my mPT3 tank kit will be here tomorrow, will let you know how it goes with the PG.
I saw your other post about using Joye 510 atomizers for solids and am intrigued. So, just remove the bridge and it's good to go? Almost seems too easy - and inexpensive!
To confirm - found these on Joye's official web store - these are the ones I want?
http://us.joyetech.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=148_174&product_id=57
Then just attach a drip tip to the top of the atomizer, drop a load, and go to town? Maybe dress it up with one of those ego cone covers that go over the 510 attys looks nice too, I think.
I saw your other post about using Joye 510 atomizers for solids and am intrigued. So, just remove the bridge and it's good to go? Almost seems too easy - and inexpensive!
To confirm - found these on Joye's official web store - these are the ones I want?
http://us.joyetech.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=148_174&product_id=57
Then just attach a drip tip to the top of the atomizer, drop a load, and go to town? Maybe dress it up with one of those ego cone covers that go over the 510 attys looks nice too, I think.
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lewis6000
New Member
@Haywood....thanks for the reply. I think when my mPT3 arrives I'll probably just switch out the 1.5Ω atty with the 2.0Ω coil immediately because I'd like the Vision Spinner 400 mah battery that I just ordered to work with it. I have several ego batteries and I'd like them all the work with the mPT3 and it sounds like the 2.0Ω coil is the way to go.