"Addicted" because you vape every day?

stinkytofus

stinkytofus

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u are addicted if the only thing u care about and want to do is get lit and forgetting other priorities in ur life, i can see why someone can use cannabis everyday or multiple times in a day, it gets weaker the more you use it, the best way to maximize your buds and your hi is to vape once a day or once every two days, and definitely definitely inhale it longer, it makes a difference imho
 
macbill

macbill

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I think it fine, all these opinions. For me, the one that counts most is my own. Considering I made it to retirement age when as a kid I thought I'd never reach 50, I'm doing better than I thought I would.

I started smoking cannabis Halloween night 1967. Except for the first few years I gave up alcohol 33 years ago, I've been a steady user. I'm OK with people describing me as addicted. If, say, I decide to take a brake, I literally have to box everything up and put it in an inconvenient spot. I've done that a couple of times through the years. The last break I had was a four week stay in Cabo 3 years ago. I did not bring any just to see if I could.
 
Ricardo

Ricardo

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@macbill Well, don't leave us in suspense man.... could you? How was it?

I think I can speak personally here. There was a long period when I was addicted to alcohol and there was no way I would commit to any activity that didn't include drinks, let alone a period of days or weeks. Everything was constructed around alcohol, and there were real withdrawal symptoms - this was addiction.
I quit drinking maybe 10 years back, and only really got back into weed through vaping over the last 5/6 years. When I go away it's a real pisser that I can't vape my approx max 0.1g/day. It's a shame to be in great places with good people and not get a buzz on. And I can't even have a couple of beers to chill.
So yes, it's a bummer but I'm not puking and trembling in the mornings and contriving to get a mid-morning beer opportunity. I love weed and it has become very important in my life, like the music I listen to, books I read, the family, the friends....all the stuff that gives us strength in life.... but I know addiction and this is not it.
 
Ricardo

Ricardo

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stinkytofus said:
u are addicted if the only thing u care about and want to do is get lit and forgetting other priorities in ur life,
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This much is true as far as it goes. psychological addiction I suppose as opposed to physical as in heroin, nicotine, alcohol etc.
In any case I'd like to recommend this TED talk, if you have 15 minutes :tup:
G'night
 
stinkytofus

stinkytofus

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its... how do i describe it... its ALMOST an addiction, but its not, if that makes sense

Pre-cannabis you were perfectly fine not even touching it on a daily basis
discovery of the plant and usage
starts buying gear/accessories to use it with
starts using it maybe once a week, before you know it you're on it everyday, even multiple times a day
good news is: you can stop anytime without any withdrawal symptoms


i guess we can say is it became an "habit" that looks like an addiction, but we can exit anytime
the tipsy feeling is great but, everyday might be too much, let yourself feel normal once a while lol
 
Ricardo

Ricardo

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Hobby, lifestyle choice whatever you want to call it. Not wishing to appear rude, and with nobody particular in mind - this thread just goes round and round and round.
You KNOW, in your heart of hearts, in the inner core of your being, you KNOW when you're addicted to something. It can be drink, blow, opiods, benzodiazapines, nicotine .....physical, delerium tremens delivering bodily dependence or it can be porn, power, religion, politics, hi-fi enthusiasm, fast cars etc.


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fernand

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There are people using all kinds of remedies for relief of miserable symptoms. And the line between physical and psychological is now understood to be thin or nonexistent. Some of these substances cause more drastic imbalance when discontinued, like opiods or benzos, some less, like cannabis. Some have noticeable psychological effects, some have none. Most are somewhere in the middle. People on cortisone have to cycle to prevent greater physiological imbalance. And they feel "up" during the up dosing, and pretty bad on the dose reduction. Does that make them "high" seekers? And like people that are prescribed opiods or antidepressants for chronic conditions they can't abruptly stop, but that doesn't make them "addicts" except in the eyes of people who want to condemn them.

Cannabis users are all over the map too in motivation and use patterns. So all this is complicated and varies person to person, by medical condition and even occasion to occasion. Sure, some people overdo things, some people are out to nullify themselves, even commit slow suicide, some get trapped in patterns, but they have to figure it out. It has nothing to to do with "addiction", which is an obsolete moralizing word. A little less judgement goes a long way, even towards oneself. We're all just trying to get by, and in the end we all die.
 
fernand

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@Ricardo, you know, I've thought about what you said, and I'm not so sure about the "in your heart of hearts". People are just as likely to torment themselves as to deny problems. You can even see people here who are agonizing over using a little of a silly plant that grows all over the place, as if God and the Angels had nothing better to do than to be checking on their diet and looking down on them if they suck on one plant vs another. I'd say how they treat other people is a hell of a lot more important. As you say, people get sucked into all sorts of patterns, but then if they find another rewarding outlet they lose interest. Stone junkies who feel guilty turn into rabid intolerant Christians and pat themselves on the back. Drunks dying of "in their hearts" shame get into AA or some cult, and are even more insufferable proselytizing than they were as drunks.
 
ejackyou

ejackyou

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The word 'addicted' is meaningless.
If you want/need to partake in anything to the degree that it's negatively affecting
Your life, quit or cut down, if you don't care, then don't!
I believe the worse influences in life are Religion, Alcohol, and Sugar. (alcohol is super sugar) :worms:
 
His_Highness

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
A certain number of alcoholic drinks consistently drank per day can be used to classify someone as addicted.

Some of those that meet the guideline will then be further classified as a "functioning alcoholic" if they can still move their life forward successfully or just "alcoholic" if they can't.

I've had a few people in my life who meet those number of drinks guidelines and I meet them myself. Some are functional and some aren't. Based on the guideline we're all addicts.

Not sure I agree with the guidelines because some are more prone to becoming non-functional while others lead successful lives.

Guess what I'm trying to say is ... just because there isn't an outward manifestation of addiction doesn't mean we're not addicted and the guideline isn't always right.
 
leveltree

leveltree

never wanted to beat that one ;)
Krazy said:
Thanks for that reminder Jill. Those criteria are crazy.

Apply them to most medications or even hobbies or games or tv showes and...
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You are quite right about that!
There are many things which qualify for this definition of addiction, but that doesn't make it wrong.
People get addicted to games, TV... All the time.

And the interesting part about it is the focus on consequences: time spent on it, other things neglected etc.
If those points apply you can directly realise the influence something gets over you. Also the "more than intended" point is very interesting, because things that boost your dopamine levels create a craving for ever more...

The definition also clearly mentions distress or impairment so it's actually very consequence based.

Don't take it wrong, everyone has to decide themselves what to do with it (sometimes this is not possible anymore though!) and some people are more "endangered" to addictive behaviour.
But everyone should be aware of those points and the influence things have on their lifes!

:peace:
 
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fernand

fernand

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The tolerance and withdrawal points might seem substance-oriented, but most of these effects can also be seen with THE greatest dependence problem of today: Social Media abuse. It's spread all over the world and we've become completely desensitized to it. We no longer even notice it.

Go to any public place and look at the typical people sitting or walking with a smart-phone in their hands, facebook'ing, instagrammin', twittering. They don't talk to each other, they don't even notice what's going on around them. Now imagine for a moment that they are all intravenously injecting themselves. You know, the men tying off the arm with a belt, the women with a scarf, then carefully positioning the needle in the vein, checking for the drop of blood as they pull back the plunger, and then pushing it in for that dopaminergic kick reward. Over and over again. Quite a sight, not all that appealing. Well, that's exactly what's happening with the Social Media junkies, and not just "every day". Many times a day. And sure as shinola they can't give it up.

But why? Because the advertisers have created self-tuning algorithms whose task was to figure out how to maximize clicks and page-views. And they have. The result? Widespread dependence that devours young lives, that robs users of real social interaction and sucks them into a fantasy reward system so they can be fully profiled, set up to watch ads, and buy the shit they sell.
 
little maggie

little maggie

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Jill NYC said:
Just because this can never be discussed enough (hah!) I thought I’d share this article.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-are-s...dence-millions-could-suffer-condition-1442032


Interesting thoughts about how there really aren’t any inclusive studies.
Here is the criteria for dependence:

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This is interesting. I see that many are responding to this by noting that this can apply to many things we do. But when I read this list, it just doesn't apply to my vaping use even if I am vaping daily. I do develop some tolerance but the criteria is 3 from the list and none of the others apply.
 
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Mookie0608

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1. It’s marijuana, and marijuana is just a made up name and I highly doubt a all natural plant is addicting.

2. Addiction is an excuse for the weak. People act their show size over their own age.
 
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KeroZen

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
You obviously don't know how addictions work pal. If it was just an excuse as you say, would there be an entire medical specialty dedicated to their study and treatment?

Also please stop using the term marijuana, it was popularized on purpose as a derogatory term to stigmatize certain people with foreign origins. That's not the Plant name. Nobody calls it like that in Europe.
 
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