fernand
Well-Known Member
Sir, I maybe wrongly assume,
you've got a penis. When Amazons
write the DSM, that will be an
affliction.
"Addicted" because you vape every day?
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Sir, I maybe wrongly assume,
you've got a penis. When Amazons
write the DSM, that will be an
affliction.
EverythingsHazy
Well-Known Member
I have no idea what you’re talking about...
ander
Well-Known Member
I'm not the one that can judge a drug habit as good or bad. If it helps with existence... But the border is sharp.
Don't take that seriously, @Krazy is right (I got it late) and I was simply high and posted what was passing in my mind, under a psychedelic influence.
I would anyway add to your list: Social Network Endorsement, Pornography, Television...
ejackyou
Hamilton
What's the Difference?
Also there's a difference in daily use, and having to Get Toasted half the day?
nosmoking
Just so Dab HAppy!
I drive every day. I am about to take a 2 week break. I am certainly not addicted to driving am I?
I shit everyday...sometimes multiple times...pretty sure I am not addicted...also pretty sure I cannot go a day without shitting...oh no, maybe this correlation does mean I am a shit addict. Fuck my life now!
I also brush my teeth daily, kiss my kids daily and drink a ton of water throughout the day. I get seriously concerned if I have no ice water so I carry a thermos everywhere I go. Am I addicted to the ice or the water?
Please be smart enough to realize that consumption does not define addiction. If it does then addiction is just a normal characteristic trait that we all incorporate into our daily life and should not be a negatively stigmatized term. If this were the case, my addiction to shit could just be a healthy addiction to have.
ejackyou
Hamilton
Jethro
Well-Known Member
A friend told me of a recent article, among the list of yahoo news articles, that discussed marijuana addiction. The author implied that those who use cannabis each day would be considered addicted to marijuana.
Can you really judge addiction by frequency of use alone? If so then I would be addicted because I vape about .1 of a gram each evening (Maybe a bit more on weekends) .
However, I'm able to maintain my life and job very well. In fact, I believe that my daily use contributes to my overall mental health by reducing stress and other bullshit in life.
I've had to travel and "go without" for weeks at a time, and while I'd rather have a session before bed, I wasn't twitching in the corner.
Am I addicted to marijuana?
I eat everyday... does that mean I'm addicted to food? I guess so, but just like cannabis I do not see an issue with daily use.
fernand
Well-Known Member
The word "addicted" has only recently acquired a nasty ring. It used to simply mean "dependent on", with practical considerations: as with food or insulin, it's a need. Under steady state conditions, with plentiful food, insulin and pharmaceuticals, it's irrelevant. Besides, it was nobody's business. Nobody was delving into whether you ate too many donuts and got diabetes, or too many drops of laudanum and acquired a habit. Or if you just liked something enough to keep using it.
As the Protestant preachers tell it, those who are saved are rich and healthy; you don't earn Grace, but if you have it, it shows. If you're a few inches short of perfect, it proves the absence of Grace. As to remedies, they are highly suspect. Can you see the Archangel Gabriel standing in line at the pharmacy? They rant about how "it's a crutch". Hell, yeah! It's a clever device. Helps me walk, Dude!
It was in the context of total prohibition in the USA (by 1920 the Temperance movement and its allies had triumphed, the main pharmacological crutches were all banned), that the word "addict" took on its present immoral and criminal associations. Our vocabulary defines our reality. I think it's hard to talk about anything meaningful with words like that.
As the Protestant preachers tell it, those who are saved are rich and healthy; you don't earn Grace, but if you have it, it shows. If you're a few inches short of perfect, it proves the absence of Grace. As to remedies, they are highly suspect. Can you see the Archangel Gabriel standing in line at the pharmacy? They rant about how "it's a crutch". Hell, yeah! It's a clever device. Helps me walk, Dude!
It was in the context of total prohibition in the USA (by 1920 the Temperance movement and its allies had triumphed, the main pharmacological crutches were all banned), that the word "addict" took on its present immoral and criminal associations. Our vocabulary defines our reality. I think it's hard to talk about anything meaningful with words like that.
ejackyou
Hamilton
Let's see You take a two week break from Cannabis!
You seem Afraid of the word addicted?
If You don't Want or don't choose to go a day without Cannabis, You Are Addicted to It.
Let's not confuse bodily functions or legal terms with personal addictions.
I guess we could also discuss the terms heavily or dependent, or personality disorder
or social vs antisocial etc.?
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nosmoking
Just so Dab HAppy!
Surely the forum member that talks to himself has all the correct answers! Perhaps you are due for a 2 week break!?
ejackyou
Hamilton
Not nice. Warning point issued.
So, You have a Problem too.
fernand
Well-Known Member
Why afraid? It's just not a very meaningful word now. It's been artificially redefined by various groups for their own purposes, often political. The way you used it, for instance, makes little sense. If it's a "choice" or a "want" it doesn't apply. That's the whole concept behind the origin of the word, that it's not a choice, that it's a subjugation. That's why medically the word is seldom used, we're still trying to figure out where to apply the word "dependence".
Try not reading it fr a day, only way to know.
Want a fraked up use of the term? Talk to the docs at the VA in Ameerika.
Your posts seem quite judgmental and intentionally provocative. Telling people they have a problem runs afoul of our Be
shredder
Well-Known Member
Yes, I'm addicted to marijuana. So what?
It's a slightly less physical addiction than my coffee addiction, and less harmfull than my Detroit lions addiction. Now there's a waste of football time, lol.
I've quit for a few days 3 times in this calendar year. I did miss it some but that's about it. By day two nothing, but I may notice old pains making an appearance.
I think addiction might be the correct term, but the level of addiction compared to what we normally associate with addiction, (opiates, cigarettes, alcohol) and the negative effects of this addiction are very slight.
It's a slightly less physical addiction than my coffee addiction, and less harmfull than my Detroit lions addiction. Now there's a waste of football time, lol.
I've quit for a few days 3 times in this calendar year. I did miss it some but that's about it. By day two nothing, but I may notice old pains making an appearance.
I think addiction might be the correct term, but the level of addiction compared to what we normally associate with addiction, (opiates, cigarettes, alcohol) and the negative effects of this addiction are very slight.
ginolicious
Well-Known Member
If you take it daily for medicinal purposes are you addicted? If not? Why not? Because it’s medicine and socially acceptable, no different than taking insulin to live or anti seizure medication? But for the recreational user it’s an addiction? I think you are placing extensive negative value to the word addiction as if it’s almost a taboo topic for someone to use recreational pot daily, but fine for a medicinal user.
nosmoking
Just so Dab HAppy!
I would rather be addicted to Heroin! I never liked jelly beans!
I personally think of addiction as something more compelling than just a desire, that keeps you doing something that is harmful to yourself or others. I am not saying this is the correct definition or anything but with this thinking I never believed myself to be an addict of anything. I had used many hard drugs such as ketamine, cocaine and heroin for 3-12 months each with people that seemed truly addicted to me. I mimicked their usage patterns in an effort to keep up/down with them and would go on binges just like what I would refer to as full on abusive addicts. With each one I was able to come to a point where I realized the disastrous path of abusing such drug was not what I wanted for my future even though I wanted more in the moment. I was lucky enough to be able to stop all 3 cold turkey without ever feeling any sort of dependence or withdrawal symptoms. That made me feel like I was invincible to addiction or that I just don't have an addictive personality. I cannot imagine taking anyone of those drugs now and have refused every opportunity to take them in the past 15 years. I have also had to take strong prescription pain killers including Tylenol 3 for long periods of time and I have always stopped usage as soon as the pain was at bay.
I am one to embrace change...perhaps that is the key!
I personally think of addiction as something more compelling than just a desire, that keeps you doing something that is harmful to yourself or others. I am not saying this is the correct definition or anything but with this thinking I never believed myself to be an addict of anything. I had used many hard drugs such as ketamine, cocaine and heroin for 3-12 months each with people that seemed truly addicted to me. I mimicked their usage patterns in an effort to keep up/down with them and would go on binges just like what I would refer to as full on abusive addicts. With each one I was able to come to a point where I realized the disastrous path of abusing such drug was not what I wanted for my future even though I wanted more in the moment. I was lucky enough to be able to stop all 3 cold turkey without ever feeling any sort of dependence or withdrawal symptoms. That made me feel like I was invincible to addiction or that I just don't have an addictive personality. I cannot imagine taking anyone of those drugs now and have refused every opportunity to take them in the past 15 years. I have also had to take strong prescription pain killers including Tylenol 3 for long periods of time and I have always stopped usage as soon as the pain was at bay.
I am one to embrace change...perhaps that is the key!
ejackyou
Hamilton
Puvlix discusssion of staff decisions is nor permitted. Warning point issued.
Your posts seem quite judgmental and intentionally provocative. Telling people they have a problem runs afoul of our BeBestNice rule and has earned you a warning point. I suggest you refrain from participating in this discussion if you cannot show respect for your fellow members.
Look who's being judgmental, and what's wrong with being provocative, Mr. Jesus Loves Beer?
Your not only a judge, seems Your the Jury too.
Another one with a fear of Labels.
No wonder people with differing opinions from the general audience out here soon disappear.
looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
http://fuckcombustion.com/rules/
hey, the pain management folks want me to try a ketamine infusion (@ hospital)... anyone done this? oops, I broke the rules a bit here... should have grouped this with the previous reply! sorry!
oh, and @fernand, he's on the money, there's some great folks on here, plenty of various learning curves on different topics, but good info, nice people. this isn't the argument clinic (monty python reference, I'm an old fart)
DSM V... I shudder to imagine anymore.
hey, the pain management folks want me to try a ketamine infusion (@ hospital)... anyone done this? oops, I broke the rules a bit here... should have grouped this with the previous reply! sorry!
oh, and @fernand, he's on the money, there's some great folks on here, plenty of various learning curves on different topics, but good info, nice people. this isn't the argument clinic (monty python reference, I'm an old fart)
DSM V... I shudder to imagine anymore.
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ejackyou
Hamilton
I guess You consider Me confrontational, just because My Opinion differs from the Majority?
Like I said, I'm probably in the minority because that's the way They want it on This site.
If your opinion goes against the grain, Your Out! Sooner or later?
The staffers who Police this site are obviously chosen because their opinions are aligned
with The doctrine.
By the way, I wasn't the one who brought up the Subject of Addiction, (starting this thread).
I just stated My Opinion.
i never defined the Label, or stated My Own circumstances.
If people can't keep an open mind, maybe they should just withhold their dogmatic contributions?
looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
Ok, you'll pardon me jumping in here.
You keep on painting an us vs them scenario with the folks who run this free web discussion forum, using loaded and charged words like Police, Doctrine, Dogma.
You also made an assumption that @fernand was talking about YOU in reference to the 'some who enjoy confrontation'... which is quite possibly wrong
But I won't speak for him.
Just note that there has been many episodes of give and take on various topics among the many threads, and I honestly don't think he was talking about you, but rather these previous discussions where things got bit heated and pointed... thankfully from my short time here (relatively) those are the exception rather than the rule.
It generally works out better all the way around then.
Stu is a big part of that, he deserves props.
This isn't some facist regime, it's a bunch of users (recreational AND medical) who are pooling their knowledge and collaborating on learning more.
as for addiction, which is where all this began... throwing around accusations of 'YOU'RE ADDICTED' isn't helpful either (regardless of how accurate you think you're being).
if you understand that dopamine-reward system in the brain, and have looked at the research, Cannabis falls at around the same level as food (just regular old grub, not chocolate truffles).
Yes, it can be abused, like food, shopping, sex, gambling, etc...
but in general the threat from it doesn't include a physical addiction,
only an occasional psychological one which can be resolved with some talk therapy.
and then there are those of us who are definitely using it as medicine, BIG time.
so perhaps take a beat, a breath, and reconsider if this is really an adversarial proposition.
there's a bunch of smart, nice people here, some great information and resources...
do you really want to cut and run at this point?
differing opinions are fine (excellent in fact!), often the problem with many that fail is how they are presented (decades in high tech will burn that into you)... a civil give and take about differing POV, issues, possible solutions, possible complications is always aiming ultimately for a more comprehensive and valuable solution to an issue.
emphasis on CIVIL. Folks don't have it in their minds 'I'm revved up to argue with @so&so tonight on FC' when they are heading home.
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