MonkeyTime
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That's great news, I ordered last week too!
100% Decarb With The NOVA
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No need to rehydrate. It gets fully dried out during the decarb process. There was a bunch of condensation on the black lid when I did my last run in a 60F room.
You are supposed to be able to decarb fresh bud. I may try that. I have a harvest coming soon.
MonkeyTime
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Hey @blackie , been loving your posts here and in the Mighty thread!
I was wondering about that, I also have a harvest around the corner. If I can find anything definitive about decarbing without curing I'll let you know. My plan was to take some out between the dry and cure and decarb it and see how it goes.
I'm in the high desert with bone dry meds; it works just fine. If you were to use an oven to it would dehydrate rather quickly before any actual decarbing occurred anyhoo.
I missed the part about no curing needed. Not sure I trust it entirely but if true a nice feature indeed.
Another option for you, MonkeyTime: Watercuring.
I missed the part about no curing needed. Not sure I trust it entirely but if true a nice feature indeed.
Another option for you, MonkeyTime: Watercuring.
Ardent has a blog post about decarb myths, that is where I saw it.
http://www.ardentcannabis.com/education/decarboxylation-myths
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Myth 1: Fresh and cured bud needs to be treated differently when it comes to decarboxylation.
This myth takes a few different forms. Most commonly it comes as "fresh and cured bud decarb at different rates" or "fresh bud won't decarb - you have to remove the moisture" and sometimes it's really crazy like, "curing the bud decarbs it so why do I need to do anything after that?"
All of these are myths.
Fresh bud can be decarbed easily in the right conditions, in fact, it's a good way to preserve more terpenes in the final product (think about the smell of fresh vs. dried flowers). Decarbing fresh bud takes no less or more time to decarb as cured bud in a controlled setting. And (most importantly!) properly cured bud has not been decarboxylated as a function of the drying and curing process.
In these examples above of dried and cured cannabis flower, notice that proper curing never leads to significant decarb.
No more more than 1% THC observed, average range of 0-6% of total available THC decarboxylated.
Only when cannabis has been improperly stored and exposed to excessive light and heat is it slightly more decarb and/or degradation, and even in those extreme circumstances the decarb is nowhere near complete.
Fact: All bud, fresh and cured, needs to be decarbed in order to be active and bioavailable. Decarbing fresh and well-cured bud involves the same process."
Someone asked about the heating element and how it attaches. I took a couple of pictures.
It looks like there is a round piece of that heating blanket stuff at the bottom, but I couldn't get a good picture with my phone.
http://www.ardentcannabis.com/education/decarboxylation-myths
"
Myth 1: Fresh and cured bud needs to be treated differently when it comes to decarboxylation.
This myth takes a few different forms. Most commonly it comes as "fresh and cured bud decarb at different rates" or "fresh bud won't decarb - you have to remove the moisture" and sometimes it's really crazy like, "curing the bud decarbs it so why do I need to do anything after that?"
All of these are myths.
Fresh bud can be decarbed easily in the right conditions, in fact, it's a good way to preserve more terpenes in the final product (think about the smell of fresh vs. dried flowers). Decarbing fresh bud takes no less or more time to decarb as cured bud in a controlled setting. And (most importantly!) properly cured bud has not been decarboxylated as a function of the drying and curing process.
In these examples above of dried and cured cannabis flower, notice that proper curing never leads to significant decarb.
No more more than 1% THC observed, average range of 0-6% of total available THC decarboxylated.
Only when cannabis has been improperly stored and exposed to excessive light and heat is it slightly more decarb and/or degradation, and even in those extreme circumstances the decarb is nowhere near complete.
Fact: All bud, fresh and cured, needs to be decarbed in order to be active and bioavailable. Decarbing fresh and well-cured bud involves the same process."
Someone asked about the heating element and how it attaches. I took a couple of pictures.
It looks like there is a round piece of that heating blanket stuff at the bottom, but I couldn't get a good picture with my phone.
MonkeyTime
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I water cured half of my last harvest, it was great for out and about because it does cut down the smell and taste quit a bit, at least IMO. I may try a little each way this time to give myself a direct comparison. Some done the traditional way, some water cured and some fresh (maybe dried first) going right into the Nova.
But I like how you think @Krazy !
Hobbess
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I was wondering if we have to fill the unit to get best conversion or if we can run a batch with the Nova half full and get the same results.
I was also wondering if some of the THC converts to CBN when vaporizing. If we start vaporizing decabed bud with 100% THC conversion from THCA will we loose some of that THC when vaporizing at high heat.
Thanks
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I was wondering if we have to fill the unit to get best conversion or if we can run a batch with the Nova half full and get the same results.
I was also wondering if some of the THC converts to CBN when vaporizing. If we start vaporizing decabed bud with 100% THC conversion from THCA will we loose some of that THC when vaporizing at high heat.
Thanks
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Hobbess
Relaxed
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I just got my delivery notice, tracking number to come.
Less than two weeks from order to shipping.
Here`s the letter I got:
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Hi Ardent Family!
Your unit has shipped, and you will receive your tracking number within the next 24 hours if you haven't already. Just a few things to know as you are getting started:
Unit timing: The entire cycle, which includes the heat up, decarb and cool down period, takes from 1 hour 40 minutes to 2 hours. The sensors are monitoring the temperature in real time and prompting heating cycles that fully permeate all of the material, so the timing of each cycle is dependent on many factors, including the starting material temp, temp in your home, and amount of material you use.
Inner Lid: We have updated the inner lid based on consumer feedback. Our first lid would sometimes pop off during the process or get sucked in when the internal air was cooling. The new lid prohibits air from entering canister once it is placed over the cup and simultaneously prevents collapse..
Thank you for joining our mission to bring science and data to the forefront. We love to hear from you and thought you’d like to see a note that came in just yesterday:
"Your product rocks! It was wonderful to relax on the sofa instead of pacing in front of my oven. The full activation makes the whole baking experience better because I won’t worry about wasting medicine in the process. Thanks again, Pat"
We appreciate your support. Here's to a happier and healthier life!
Love,
Shanel
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I just got my delivery notice, tracking number to come.
Less than two weeks from order to shipping.
Here`s the letter I got:
.
Hi Ardent Family!
Your unit has shipped, and you will receive your tracking number within the next 24 hours if you haven't already. Just a few things to know as you are getting started:
Unit timing: The entire cycle, which includes the heat up, decarb and cool down period, takes from 1 hour 40 minutes to 2 hours. The sensors are monitoring the temperature in real time and prompting heating cycles that fully permeate all of the material, so the timing of each cycle is dependent on many factors, including the starting material temp, temp in your home, and amount of material you use.
Inner Lid: We have updated the inner lid based on consumer feedback. Our first lid would sometimes pop off during the process or get sucked in when the internal air was cooling. The new lid prohibits air from entering canister once it is placed over the cup and simultaneously prevents collapse..
Thank you for joining our mission to bring science and data to the forefront. We love to hear from you and thought you’d like to see a note that came in just yesterday:
"Your product rocks! It was wonderful to relax on the sofa instead of pacing in front of my oven. The full activation makes the whole baking experience better because I won’t worry about wasting medicine in the process. Thanks again, Pat"
We appreciate your support. Here's to a happier and healthier life!
Love,
Shanel
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Hello. I am new here. Actually this is my first post. I stumbled across this thread and thought I would join in. I also ordered a lift two weeks ago and have received the same email mail today also. Scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I am planning on using mainly for decarbing rosin to make canna caps and the chips for tincture and RSO. I just received my rosin bomb press last week to go with the magic butter maker. Between the three iI should have a fairly easy process. Guess I will find out tomorrow..
I just got my delivery notice, tracking number to come.
Less than two weeks from order to shipping.
Here`s the letter I got:
.
Hi Ardent Family!
Your unit has shipped, and you will receive your tracking number within the next 24 hours if you haven't already. Just a few things to know as you are getting started:
Unit timing: The entire cycle, which includes the heat up, decarb and cool down period, takes from 1 hour 40 minutes to 2 hours. The sensors are monitoring the temperature in real time and prompting heating cycles that fully permeate all of the material, so the timing of each cycle is dependent on many factors, including the starting material temp, temp in your home, and amount of material you use.
Inner Lid: We have updated the inner lid based on consumer feedback. Our first lid would sometimes pop off during the process or get sucked in when the internal air was cooling. The new lid prohibits air from entering canister once it is placed over the cup and simultaneously prevents collapse..
Thank you for joining our mission to bring science and data to the forefront. We love to hear from you and thought you’d like to see a note that came in just yesterday:
"Your product rocks! It was wonderful to relax on the sofa instead of pacing in front of my oven. The full activation makes the whole baking experience better because I won’t worry about wasting medicine in the process. Thanks again, Pat"
We appreciate your support. Here's to a happier and healthier life!
Love,
Shanel
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Thank you. And Yes. Basically heat and pressure to extract.. most people use it for dabs. I am pressing it out because I find it easier to make strong editable with a concentrate. To keep it on topic I purchased the lift to decarb the rosin for canna caps and e juice. Thca is what chrystelizes making concentrates more solid when it's decarbed the Thca turns to thc and stays runny. Makes it easy to mix in pretty much anything. If you want we could start a thread in concentrate fourm to discuss further so not to take this thread off topic.
Very cool!
If you have a (very) small bit of disposable income and enjoy science projects? Buy your self a wide flat iron, a clamp, and some parchment paper. Under $50 and you now have a mini Rosin press.
Bud goes into the preheated flat iron in a little parchment paper taco. Either muscle it closed or close and tighten the clamp.
MAGICK!!! Just like that you now have hight quality, solvent free, concentrate on your parchment paper! Cool, scrap off, vape; enjoy.
I got my test results back from a high CBD strain decarb. The strain is CBD Critical Mass. 12.5 grams were decarbed.
Looks like about a 95% conversion rate for THC, and a 98% conversion rate for CBD.
Before
5.4% Total THC
8.6% Total CBD
Cannabinoids Mass (%) Mass (mg/g)
THCa 5.4% 54.3 mg/g
Δ9-THC 0.6% 6.5 mg/g
THCV 1.6% 16.3 mg/g
CBDa 9.6% 95.8 mg/g
CBD 0.2% 2.5 mg/g
After
5.1% Total THC
8.4% Total CBD
Cannabinoids Mass (%) Mass (mg/g)
THCa NR NR
Δ9-THC 5.1% 51.5 mg/g
THCV 0.1% 0.7 mg/g
CBDa NR NR
CBD 8.4% 83.5 mg/g
Looks like about a 95% conversion rate for THC, and a 98% conversion rate for CBD.
Before
5.4% Total THC
8.6% Total CBD
Cannabinoids Mass (%) Mass (mg/g)
THCa 5.4% 54.3 mg/g
Δ9-THC 0.6% 6.5 mg/g
THCV 1.6% 16.3 mg/g
CBDa 9.6% 95.8 mg/g
CBD 0.2% 2.5 mg/g
After
5.1% Total THC
8.4% Total CBD
Cannabinoids Mass (%) Mass (mg/g)
THCa NR NR
Δ9-THC 5.1% 51.5 mg/g
THCV 0.1% 0.7 mg/g
CBDa NR NR
CBD 8.4% 83.5 mg/g
Nice numbers!
I expect that it is a bit of both. For bud, as long as you don't pack it in? I expect simply filling it up will always work. When I did a full run of kief I stuck a slender glass tube to open the center to heating; probably not necessary.
But filling the thing with Rosin press extract? I'm not so sure. Obviously you can decarb extract. I'm just not sure how much at one time.
The way I understand it you can do as little as you would like.
I only put 1-2 grams of bud at a time in mine and it seems to decarb just fine. Measure out some 100mg of decarbed bud, make a snuff pouch out of teabags, then stick one in your cheek for an hour or so and you will get some effects.
MonkeyTime
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For those of you that have received their units thru FedEx, did they require a signature?
Mine was scheduled for delivery yesterday, but it never showed and now tracking says pending with no date at present time. I fear they tried to deliver it and couldn't, I've had this issue with them before, it never ends well
Mine was scheduled for delivery yesterday, but it never showed and now tracking says pending with no date at present time. I fear they tried to deliver it and couldn't, I've had this issue with them before, it never ends well
MonkeyTime
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Yeah, it's waiting for me at home! Somehow my address got dropped off the shipping. Emailed Shanel about it and although she never responded, I saw within 2 hours the FedEx status was updated. Maybe not perfect, but great cs in my opinion!
Has anyone tried fresh or uncured in their Nova yet?
Has anyone tried fresh or uncured in their Nova yet?