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I was referring mainly to the whole wide world outside of VAS. People here do seem to have warranties on their mind more than the average person...

When I say "I can't accept the idea..." I'm saying that it's sounding like people are making it seem like anyone who preorders and accepts the shipping estimate given by GHL is foolish because they should have known better. And if their business plan hinges on being dishonest or going out of...

I'm just trying to look at it from the point of view of someone who just happens upon their site or just hears about this vape called the Grasshopper. Are any potential delays and other iffyness going to be obvious to them?

It's amusing that we can look at "at least they are replacing faulty units" as good news. I mean, pretty much anything I buy has a warranty, but it's something you expect to never even think about....

Sure, it's good to be informed and do your research. But I can't accept the idea that when company says something will ship in a month, the buyer is supposed to realize that that is BS and it could be 2,3 months or longer...

I think preorderers have been jerked around worse than backers. As backers, we knew, or should have, that all kinds of shit could come up. People that backed relatively recently were given shipping estimates that made them think they'd be receiving theirs in a month or two, then pushed back.

The two metals are going to expand differently when hot, not sure if that's an issue in real life...

That could mean the majority of two people, for all we know...

I for one am truly impressed by GHL's extensive Customer Service training regimen!

True- I wouldn't have cut them nearly as much slack if I'd been anything other than a crowdsourcing funder.

Their CS seems a hell of a lot better than their QC...

These dudes raised a 1/3 of a million bucks for a product with an estimated ship date 2 months after financing ended. It's now been a year and a half later, and they STILL don't have the necessary production equipment. They've made many statements that at least skirted the definition of...

Thanks for correcting the link. A handful of self reported preorders isn't much of a data point.....

Link is dead, what's it supposed to show?

I've lived in the high desert for over 25 years, broham. It's not the Mojave or Death Valley. It's just a FACT that there is a significant amount of humidity in the air here. Has nothing to do with anyone's subjective opinion, it can be MEASURED. And WTF is that supposed to mean about the...

What discounts aren't we eligible for? We've had months and months to able to add to our orders at our original backer prices. Preorders paid more than us, and new Preorders, as of today, are paying even more. It sounded like HC was just getting ready to move, last posts I can recall- that...

Based on the numbers ordered by backers, there are still almost 2500 to be shipped before they get to preorders. Which tells us little, since we've already heard the "1000/week" thing twice now. At current rate of production, up to 6 months before all backers have theirs (that's me,too)! Best...

Being that no one outside of the company has the slightest clue how many preorders they've taken, the only predictions that are at all reasonable would be for backers, because we know how many were funded. I guess if someone knew they were one of the first preorders, they could assume ship...

Yeah, that part is kinda scary. I was more thinking about the production projections. A bit contradictory, now that I think about it.

I question whether economic theory plays much or any of a part in all of this. Good explanation though...