Cheap High Quality Bubbler

Rab

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http://m.dhgate.com/product/2015glass-bong-best-recycler-with-glass-vapor/233884833.html#pd-019 Hey so just found this store woth only 33 transactions so kinda sketchy also the prices seem too good to b true. Does anyone know if it's possible for me to be ripped off by them sending me a broken item or not sending it at all? Just wanted to know if anyone knows hahaha but here's a link

If it is from the site that I posted then from what I have read on another board they are legit, but probably best not to use the nail they provide, and get a proper US made titanium one perhaps
 

mutten840

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From the DHgate policy. The seller does not get paid until you approve the completion of the transaction. If they sent you something that was not what you ordered. Or it came broken, I think DHgate would mediate if needed (Kind of like Ebay or paypal)

Hope this helps
 

blankrider

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What do you expect when someone posts something like: " I would pay $100 for An Egg from Steven". They are watching. For me $50 is the top. They aren't doing the innovation. Search for "glass bong" on DHGate then sort by "price highest to lowest". There are eggs there for well over $400. If they think we will pay, the prices will stay high.
I want to agree with this but Steven discloses certain private things to me some times and one of them is that it cost him about $80 per egg so considering the minimal markup I think the price is more than fair. Obviously other sellers have figured out how to make it easier or for less since Kathy is able to sell them for $50 but I don't think Steven price is set by greed or following this forum
 

DieHard

Accessory supplier
Accessory Maker
I want to agree with this but Steven discloses certain private things to me some times and one of them is that it cost him about $80 per egg so considering the minimal markup I think the price is more than fair. Obviously other sellers have figured out how to make it easier or for less since Kathy is able to sell them for $50 but I don't think Steven price is set by greed or following this forum
The egg and price were just an example. My post has more to do with dhgate sellers watching these threads and seeing overzealous members posting " I'm willing to pay $xxx" , or " They could charge so much more".
That the prices will increase, is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 

blankrider

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The egg and price were just an example. My post has more to do with dhgate sellers watching these threads and seeing overzealous members posting " I'm willing to pay $xxx" , or " They could charge so much more".
That the prices will increase, is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Well I can for sure agree with that. The people trying to sell $400 dollar eggs are quite ambitious. We should see how true this is and start posting a bunch that we won't spend over $60 for anything and see if prices fluctuate
 

Aaron

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Edit: @Aaron theyre is a clear ccg fab egg, not sure if 9 inches tho
Thanks. I actually ordered the 29cm clear egg from CCG about 2 days ago so I should be getting it soon.

I want to agree with this but Steven discloses certain private things to me some times and one of them is that it cost him about $80 per egg so considering the minimal markup I think the price is more than fair. Obviously other sellers have figured out how to make it easier or for less since Kathy is able to sell them for $50 but I don't think Steven price is set by greed or following this forum

I honestly think Steven is lying about that. I really doubt it would cost them $80 per egg when CCG sells them for $50/$60 each. The only difference I've seen from Steven's original egg model was the perc. Matrix style perc (steven) vs Bird cage (ccg).

I think Steven may be the person supplying these American shops with the Quantum Faberge Eggs. They seem pretty close to the original sample that he made a few months back.

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China is stepping their game up! Too bad it's $113...
 
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blankrider

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I honestly think Steven is lying about that. I really doubt it would cost them $80 per egg when CCG sells them for $50/$60 each. The only difference I've seen from Steven's original egg model was the perc. Matrix style perc (steven) vs Bird cage (ccg).

I think Steven may be the person supplying these American shops with the Quantum Faberge Eggs. They seem pretty close to the original sample that he made a few months back.
Steven, CCG, and Kathy are all different shops with different workers. They have different skill levels and possibly different pay rates for their workers. The price for Steven egg comes from the fact that they are only able to make a handful a day. It is obvious that Kathy and CCG have some decently skilled lathe slaves and a large facility if they are able to produce eggs so cheap and in such large numbers. It is kind of obvious that Steven blowers are not as good at complex designs because they can't make a single vortexing recycler and have you seen all the failed Torus attempts? I talked to Steven about fab eggs WAY before Kathy released hers. If he was able to mass produce them at an affordable rate it would have happened a long time ago. He does a great job with more simple designs and offers them at a fair price.
 

Tweak

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Steven, CCG, and Kathy are all different shops with different workers.

Either Steven is selling some of his unused products or they share workers.

Here is his first gen FC-187, complete with the extra high perc and the ripples in the downstem.

Unless this store bought one and is using the one the bought to copy and use for stock photos. Which I wouldn't put it pass them, :lol:, a copy of a copy.
 

blankrider

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Either Steven is selling some of his unused products or they share workers.

Here is his first gen FC-187, complete with the extra high perc and the ripples in the downstem.

Unless this store bought one and is using the one the bought to copy and use for stock photos. Which I wouldn't put it pass them, :lol:, a copy of a copy.
A copy of a copy is a good guess. Look at how many D020 copy popped up after the popularity of the original. They definitely copy each other regularly. Steven contacted me a couple weeks ago wanting to copy a popular ash catcher from Kathy lol. I told him to go for it because it was a good design and his store doesn't have any ash catchers available
 

b0

Cloudy...
Someone mentioned that the showerhead should be higher up - mine has maybe 5mm of space between the top of the showerhead and the bottom of the pillars.
I can't see much room for it to move, or if it would help all that much...
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(Only thing I could think of for scale :lol: - the gap is approx 1/2 of the height of a small oil slick ball lid :lol:)

I'd rather use the pillar cycler than the mini pillar :2c:

I said it because in this pic it seems closer, but never had the real one on my hands :shrug:

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Honestly,

his prices have been going up and up and...well...up

I don't know anymore if I would prefer spending close to 100dollar on these rigs...it is hit and miss sometimes, and yeah, when they were 30bucks each that still would not matter. But with these prices if one gets one that is kracked, perc offset or something something then you are stuck with it...I guess I feel more confident then ordering trough a known website, like for instance here in Europe Head and Nature, paying a bit more, sometimes even the same, but knowing someone has quality checked the piece before shipping it out to me.

Just saying, if these chiness vendors want to keep us interested, they have to be really careful with increasing their prices like has been going on for a while now...or get their quality control up a level or two...
I strongly agree with this. Stephen's prices are getting higher all the time and there is only a fair chance he will provide a piece that is fully functional imo. I think his pre-orders are disgraceful. He is simply testing the market and funding his manufacturing. The guy is basically getting free designs and consultancy from FC members. Great deal if you are Stephen. Sure the real pieces are much more expensive but I think Stephen is using this as leverage to keep bumping up his prices. Not to mention his shipping is slow, erratic and unreliable imo.
 
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Delta3DStudios

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I strongly agree with this. Stephen's prices are getting higher all the time and there is only a fair chance he will provide a piece that is fully functional imo. I think his pre-orders are disgraceful. He is simply testing the market and funding his manufacturing. The guy is basically getting free designs and consultancy from FC members. Great deal if you are Stephen. Sure the real pieces are much more expensive but I think Stephen is using this as leverage to keep bumping up his prices. Not to mention his shipping is slow, erratic and unreliable imo.

Couldn't have said it better. Steven has some cool designs, and good build quality. But his prices are raising, and the function isn't worth the price.

I might buy some other stuff from him in the future, but there's no way in hell I'm ever going to buy one of his "Advance Booking" listings ever again. Sorry I'm not giving him a dime more for any new glass design until I hear feedback from several FC users first! :nope:

@yingmin5 and @sunshinestore, you're still my favorite DHgate vendors. Keep up the great work and I will continue to purchase monthly from your stores!
 

Walter Bishop

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@ChiefKeefe I am happy to hear that at least one person on here has hit the real thing. I personally have not but I have hit a real SG peyote pillar. I think it is important that at least one of us has used a design if we are going to get a copy of it. To make sure that it is made right and to get an accurate comparison, like how @Monsoon helped with the diffusion pump. It would not be near as good without him and we would be unable to verify how closely it functions to the real one.

I owned a genuine SG Peyote pillar. They are like nothing else. I would be very surprised if the knock offs get the true function correct.

Yes they will get water to burble up though the pillars. But it's the feel that matters.

And the feel comes from a very precise distance between the peyote perc and the pillars, the diameter of the pillars, the length of the pillars. Etc...

I just don't believe glass blowers who don't smoke, and have never used the genuine article, can capture the feel based on pictures and second hand measurements.

Just my opinion, sure many folks will disagree. But the fact is, you can't know what you don't know. And if you haven't used the genuine article extensively, I guess you may never know the difference anyway.
 

flotntoke

thoroughly vaped
I owned a genuine SG Peyote pillar. They are like nothing else. I would be very surprised if the knock offs get the true function correct.

Yes they will get water to burble up though the pillars. But it's the feel that matters.

And the feel comes from a very precise distance between the peyote perc and the pillars, the diameter of the pillars, the length of the pillars. Etc...

I just don't believe glass blowers who don't smoke, and have never used the genuine article, can capture the feel based on pictures and second hand measurements.

Just my opinion, sure many folks will disagree. But the fact is, you can't know what you don't know. And if you haven't used the genuine article extensively, I guess you may never know the difference anyway.

Just another reason to stick with the simple stuff, for me. Think my D-cycler - which does seem to function fine - is about as intricate or involved as I trust them with. Then again, I'm not really a big diffusion perc fan for vapor for flavor's sake. Suppose some of the more involved ones don't knock flavor back, but when considering increased cost, possibility of more being off with every intricacy added and probably more likelihood of breakage in transit - I'm staying with the KISS philosophy on this stuff.
 
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