Persuade me to switch from carts

[AxisOfEvilKnievel]

For the last few years I have vaped live rosin carts exclusively, every day. I buy good (but not elite) carts from a dispensary -- usually Ideal brand from a local place called Goldflower. I'm in Florida, so there are full lab reports with each batch. I always vape my carts through water, and usually large, multi-chamber bongs with ice and ash catchers. Total overkill. I use a YocanPro and vape at 2.0 volts (at least for the first half of the cart), but I sometimes take long draws, leaving the heat on and pulling until my battery times out at 15 seconds. I have three Yocans and three open carts at any time, so if I want to take multiple hits, I don't hit a still-hot cart. I'm worried about smell, so 100% of the time I exhale into a SmokeTrap+. Between vape carts, water, and exhaling into a carbon filter, my room is practically smell free.

Recently I've been thinking about how different cannabinoids vaporize at different temperatures and wondering if my cart usage is limiting my highs. Should I add a dry herb vape for home use, like the Volcano Hybrid? What I really want to find out is whether my highs will feel different. Even though live rosin is single strain and nicely extracts the various cannabinoids, I doubt vaporizing a live rosin cart at 2.0 volts for 15 seconds gives the same ratios of cannabinoids as filling a bag from a Volcano, even when the strain is exactly the same. Maybe the effects are different. By the way, I sometimes swallow an eye dropper full of full spectrum CBD at night to enhance the vape with additional cannabinoids.

I understand a Volcano will take a lot more effort to control the smell. I'm willing to do that if there's a real chance I'll enjoy the highs more, or have more types or highs to choose from. Is there? Or am I likely to feel the same? I am not unhappy with my current setup, but I am curious.

For what it's worth, I don't give a hoot about "taste." Massive percolation removes most of that anyway, which I prefer. I don't believe terps contribute to the high, and sometimes they irritate my throat even with my massive percolation. Also, I'd rather not add "cost" into the discussion; I already have all the information I need about costs. My interest is in whether my high will feel different vaping dry herb compared to live rosin carts. How different? I'd appreciate hearing especially from people who have extensive experience with both live rosin carts and vaping dry herb.

 

[Grass Yes]

I'm not really a person who feels people should be persuaded to do anything. I'm definitely against evangelizing dry herb vapes. I like it a hell of a lot more that carts or smoking, but for people who prefer that I say they should feel free to enjoy it.

I would encourage anyone with curiousity to try anything they want. I would recommend a lot of things over the volcano, but different folks have different preferences.

 

[florduh]

If all you’ve been consuming is rosin carts the first good flower vape hit is going to knock you on your ass.

I’ll switch back and forth between flower and rosin as a tolerance management strategy.

 

[BeltedCoyote]

If all you’ve been consuming is rosin carts the first good flower vape hit is going to knock you on your ass.

I’ll switch back and forth between flower and rosin as a tolerance management strategy.

Great idea. I may start doing this. Thanks!

 

[hashmasta kut]

never used a cart never will. not here to convince you of anything though, you need to direct your own experience.

and terps are what make the high good. studies have been done by none other than skunkman sam RIP, and without terps, thc is boring.

 

[MTpromises]

I'm suspect of terps and even other cannabinoids. I've grown strains for THC-V and 1:1 CBD:THC, the V wss fine but I didn't get energized or anything. CBD was like weed light.

Edit, fat fingered reply.

Some Dry Herb Vapes are "session vapes" and they tend to give hits in the range of cart potency imo.

"Heavy Hitters" can give significant bigger hits. If you just want to get high look at the Screwball, Universal Baller, Terpcicle/Quartz Cap, Tornado, Qshop 360.

 

[davesmith]

The high is so different through different methods, why not try them all!

Also cart hardware is mass produced in China for pennies, if you consider your health important maybe varying your consumption patterns is a good idea. The rosin may be lab tested but is the hardware?

But ofc you do what you prefer, no harm in trying new things though.

 

[hashmasta kut]

I'm suspect of terps and even other cannabinoids. I've grown strains for THC-V and 1:1 CBD:THC, the V wss fine but I didn't get energized or anything. CBD was like weed light.

Edit, fat fingered reply.

Some Dry Herb Vapes are "session vapes" and they tend to give hits in the range of cart potency imo.

"Heavy Hitters" can give significant bigger hits. If you just want to get high look at the Screwball, Universal Baller, Terpcicle/Quartz Cap, Tornado, Qshop 360.

You are missing the major factor of a better high, it's not how large the inhalation is, it is how potent the marijuana is.

A good example is the legendary thai stick, when it was around early 80's you would see a guy pull out a pinner, and say 6 people can get high off this with two tokes each. You are like bullcrap buddy, and two tokes later, you were blitzed for hours, grinning like an idiot.

 

[Cheebsy]

I don't believe terps contribute to the high

I think you should do some research... Take a look at myrcene Google search for some info on just one of the more common cannabis terpenes. There are hundreds, if not thousands more of these in cannabis and to disregard them is doing you an injustice.

 

[invertedisdead]

The oil in those rosin pens are all precooked, that they even call it live rosin is a bit of a misnomer.

A dab of real live rosin hits differently than from a pen.

Even bad herb can give a potent/different high if you haven't hit flower in a while.

 

[Flotsam]

I agree w Hasmasta kut, had a friend let me try his cart once and it was awful. I would have never tried vaping again if thats all there was.

 

[AxisOfEvilKnievel]

If all you’ve been consuming is rosin carts the first good flower vape hit is going to knock you on your ass.

I’ll switch back and forth between flower and rosin as a tolerance management strategy.

Thank you. Very helpful!

 

[JCat]

From a health perspective, I suspect flower vapes, or even low temperature vaping of concentrates in a banger or bucket type system would be a lot healthier. I'm still skeptical about the long term health effects of vaping using a device with a submerged heater that basically boils it away.

(who really knows, but I guess time will tell)

And carts are really convenient at certain times, but I try to avoid them except for very specific situations.

 

[hoptimum]

"For what it's worth, I don't give a hoot about "taste."

Many, if not most, people on FC value the flavor of vaporizing dry flower. It's a crucial benefit for me. If you don't care about flavor you should probably stick to your current method and not waste money on dry herb vapes.

 

[hashmasta kut]

I am one who is all about potency, but the better the flavor the better the experience for sure.

If one can get a really great flavor experience and excellent quality high that is the best of both worlds, but although potency is very important to me, I'd rather have an amazing tasting pretty good quality high vape hit, over a better potency vape that tasted mediocre.

 

[AxisOfEvilKnievel]

"For what it's worth, I don't give a hoot about "taste."

Many, if not most, people on FC value the flavor of vaporizing dry flower. It's a crucial benefit for me. If you don't care about flavor you should probably stick to your current method and not waste money on dry herb vapes.

If the highs vaping live rosin carts are the same as the highs vaping flower, then yes, I agree it's not worth it. If tolerance to one is 100% the same as tolerance to the other, then yes, not worth it. Some of the comments above have implied, however, that the highs are different and the tolerances don't fully overlap.

 

[hashmasta kut]

It seems everyone pointed out the high is much different, there is no "if they are the same" scenario, just put that out of your mind

Tolerance is basically unrelated. The way it works is with some herb, there is little to no tolerance created, a strain like that can be smoked or vaped every day all month and every day that first hit is dynamite. However other strains one can buy an 1/8th of an ounce of herb, and the first few hits of it, smoked or vaped are super strong and enjoyable, but by the end of the bag the biggest joint or vapor hit, does practically nothing.
It is all about the constituents in the weed other than THC that are affecting the experience.

 

[hoptimum]

If the highs vaping live rosin carts are the same as the highs vaping flower, then yes, I agree it's not worth it. If tolerance to one is 100% the same as tolerance to the other, then yes, not worth it. Some of the comments above have implied, however, that the highs are different and the tolerances don't fully overlap.

The high from different strains of flower are never the same. It's an agricultural product, so there's variation. However, the high from the tincture I make from the ABV from various strains combined is pretty much always the same. That's expected since the absorption process for digesting tincture is different from inhaling vapor from flower.

 

[Shit Snacks]

The high from different strains of flower are never the same.

Even the same strain, potentially even from the same source, there's a ton of variety and everything, but also in the people using it, body chemistry is different and reacts

 

[MTpromises]

Most people don't know about trichome maturity at harvest. Trichomes mature from clear, to milky, to amber. I harvest at 5-10% amber trichomes and I don't notice much in high difference strain to strain.

Early harvest is what I considered sativa before I knew. That kind of head high that doesn't feel like your high till you try and do something.

Late harvest feels less potent.

I think a lot of people look at weed like our ancestors looked at the sun. They know it provides light and heat because they can observe that. But they think it's powered by a god and circles the earth, because they have no science.

 

[hashmasta kut]

Most people who grow herb for even a little while know about trichome maturity. Even as a young person before I grew I was told about clear to cloudy to amber, my folks grew skunk starting in the 80's.

You thought early harvest was sativa?

First time I ever heard that. There's tons of books out there, lots of easily gained knowledge.

 

[MTpromises]

Most people who grow herb for even a little while know about trichome maturity. Even as a young person before I grew I was told about clear to cloudy to amber, my folks grew skunk starting in the 80's.

You thought early harvest was sativa?

First time I ever heard that. There's tons of books out there, lots of easily gained knowledge.

No one mentioned it in this thread, including yourself.

"Even as a young person" lol ok.

Sounds like you need some science. Here is a good place to start.

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[budski]

DHV is straight from the source. no middle men.
ie. unprocessed.

 

[Grass Yes]

Early harvest is what I considered sativa before I knew. That kind of head high that doesn't feel like your high till you try and do something.

Just to be totally clear, you are saying that you find the early harvest effects to be similar to what people attribute to sativa-dominant flower? You are not saying that you thought sativa referred to anything other than morphological appearance, right?

 

[hashmasta kut]

That is pretty ridiculous really, an odd assumption. But people learn as they do