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[Bazinga]

@Bazinga That seems like a good summary. I have come to feel that looking at this through the lens of religion is inflammatory, not useful. Group A wants (for the most part) to live in peace with Group B and have bent over backwards to make this happen. Group B wants (for the most part) all of Group A dead, or at least somewhere far away. While they don't have much in the way of means to make this happen it has not stopped them from repeatedly trying. What is Group A to do? I don't see a solution here that is not more of the same (barring actual genocide). I very much doubt that even getting rid of Hamas would result in any long term change as they appear to be widely supported in Gaza and everyone educated since Hamas came into power has been steeped in anti-Israeli thought patterns. How does that get changed?

I wish the hell i knew !!

 

[florduh]

Well in a sane world, UN White Helmets would invade Israel, disarm the IDF, then occupy and forcibly integrate that society for the next century. Instant peace in the Middle East. Given that Israel is making war with multiple neighbors. In addition to engaging in a mass murder campaign against their own native reservation.

Edit: Israel is bombing yet another country

An Israeli military official says his country targeted Iranian nuclear sites

Israeli military official says that his country has targeted Iranian nuclear sites, without identifying them.

apnews.com

Israel claims this was a "pre-emptive first strike" because Iran is just about to build a nuke. The thing is, I've been hearing that bullshit for my entire life.

This appears to be a major escalation. Israel is bombing residential areas in an attempt to kill government officials.

A reminder that Iran has said if they feel their sovereignty is ever threatened by the United States, they will immediately destroy every oil field in the Middle East.

 

[Pib]

Do you have a problem with a 2 state solution? It's better than what is currently transpiring.

I have no problem with a two-state solution, although I have always found the system of state and country strange. I don't see any difference in people, what I see is that people have a problem with themselves.

For example, when I say I'm German, it's about explaining my cultural and historical background to others, not about interpreting myself as a special person, I just don't understand war, relegion and borders.

Some would say that Israel existed first and Arabs stole their land.

Just ask the Native Americans and Australians and many other indigenous people...

But they coexisted in peace until israel started its violent colonialism.

I was talking about the state of Israel, but you are right in your statement.

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

Do you consider the bombing and mass killing of the Japanese civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and mass murder of civilians during the fire bombing of Dresden to be genocide? The deaths in Gaza pale in comparison to the carnage of these actions. I don't want any peaceful citizens of Gaza to be harmed. Hamas needs to surrender and both countries need to achieve peace.

The use of nuclear bombs by the USA in Japan is considered as a war crime by a lot of historians. They also consider that the us has been constantly rewriting history to negate the crime and present it as a pivotal moment in the war. Honestly the soviets have been the ones that really initiated the end of the war. Even d-day was just a diversion meant to contain Germans groups on the west front. It's allies having lost the war, Japan would have capitulated (it was really close to anyway). The soviets payed blood price to end the war.

The use of the genocide term is not dependent on the number of victims. The ICJ, the only competent juridiction, defined what's happening in Gaza as a genocide. What I see is that you're insisting on me recognizing the crimes of hamas but you are clearly negating a GENOCIDE, or at least justifying it if it allows to destroy hamas.

If you really want peace then you want Israeli fascists out of the government and you want armed settlers to get back to Israel.

@chillAtGVC you haven't even read @florduh 's post just above yours.
Palestinians want to live peacefully in their homeland, Israelis wants the land of Palestinians.

 

[florduh]

@chillAtGVC you haven't even read @florduh 's post just above yours.
Palestinians want to live peacefully in their homeland, Israelis wants the land of Palestinians.

He has me blocked, which is fine. I'm not everyone's cup of tea. Plus, it leads to a little unintentional comedy.

If you really want peace then you want Israeli fascists out of the government and you want armed settlers to get back to Israel.

And, if you're American and you care about Israelis, stop cheering this along. You should be marching alongside those college kids begging for a permanent ceasefire. You should have been doing that a year ago. Might be too late now.

American sympathy for Israel reaches "all-time low" in new poll

The survey also comes as tensions heat up between Israel and Iran and concerns Israel could launch a strike on Tehran's nuclear plants.

www.newsweek.com

"This is an all-time low for the Israelis and an all-time high for the Palestinians since the Quinnipiac University Poll began asking this question of registered voters in December 2001," reads the polling report.

Most people across 24 surveyed countries have negative views of Israel and Netanyahu

International views of Israel and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are much more negative than positive.

www.pewresearch.org

And this is before international press has been allowed to survey the destruction in Gaza. Israel's popularity isn't improving after that.

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

Israel just changed how land ownership works in the West Bank. Here’s what that means.

The Israeli government has effectively legalized the annexation of over 60% of the West Bank, but no one’s talking about it. Here’s what this means for Palestinians.

mondoweiss.net

“Palestinians are now forced to prove their legitimate ownership of their lands in front of Israeli courts, which are themselves biased,” Abdallah Hammad, advocacy director at the Jerusalem Legal Aid Center (JLAC), told Mondoweiss.

These lands don't belong to the Israeli state legally. Yet, settlers will be considered the owners in front of Israel.

Edit: Israel is bombing yet another country

An Israeli military official says his country targeted Iranian nuclear sites

Israeli military official says that his country has targeted Iranian nuclear sites, without identifying them.

apnews.com

Israel claims this was a "pre-emptive first strike" because Iran is just about to build a nuke. The thing is, I've been hearing that bullshit for my entire life.

You don't understand florduh.

1. Israel has the right to defend itself.
2. If Israel strikes first, that's not an attack. It's a defensive move against an upcoming attack.
3. Get back to 1.

 

[Rodney]

This is what I woke up to

Trump warns Iran of 'more brutal' Israeli attacks after major strikes on nuclear and military sites - follow live

Iranian military chiefs and nuclear scientists among those killed in what Iran's foreign minister calls a "declaration of war".

www.bbc.co.uk

I thought they were having talks and now all this.

I dont know if attacking nuclear sites is a good idea for everyone in the surrounding area as the best thing to be doing but at the same time if Iran build a nuke that is not good for anyone in the surrounding area.

I agree Israel has the right to defend its elf but is this defending itself? I do not know enough about the history to say if this them defending or making things worse.

I do not think any country having nuclear bobs is a good thing but do America have the right to say who does and who does not have nukes?

If Trump is allowed to have nukes should that not mean it is safe for every country to have nukes?

I just dont know guys but what I do know is I want all this to stop.

Should the United Nations not be dealing with this? they probably are but not being listened to.

 

[Bazinga]

I dont know if the attack on Iran was really necessary. Frankly, it's frightening as it could, and probably will, lead to more violence.

 

[bellona0544]

I dont know if the attack on Iran was really necessary. Frankly, it's frightening as it could, and probably will, lead to more violence.

I thought Israel had the most moral army in the world? They would never strike first, right? They only do things to defend themselves? That's why they've been targeting women and children in Gaza--to make sure the next generation of Palestinians can't kill them, right?

Honestly, you sound pretty anti-Semitic to be claiming that Israel didn't have a right to defend itself. Do you denounce Hamas? Or do you think Israel isn't allowed to defend itself from Iran's nuclear missile program that has been about 3-5 years from building a functional bomb for the past thirty years?

 

[Rodney]

Honestly, you sound pretty anti-Semitic

All he said is he does not think the attack on israel is necessary, how is this anti Semitic? Please do not throw that term around like this

 

[bellona0544]

All he said is he does not think the attack on israel is necessary, how is this anti Semitic?

I'm satirizing the many, many, many Zionists who claim that any disagreement with Israel's policies is anti-semitic. It isn't based in reality, because clearly there is a difference in criticizing a nation-state and an ethnic group of people all over the world. This is the first time Benzinga has acknowledged that *maybe* Israel went too far, and he has previously implied people were anti-semitic in this very thread for saying that Israel previously went too far.

The absurdity of the comment I made is to point out how ridiculous the claims of anti-semitism levied against Israel's critics is.

 

[GetLeft]

Iran has been the end game for Israel all along

 

[Bazinga]

I thought Israel had the most moral army in the world? They would never strike first, right? They only do things to defend themselves? That's why they've been targeting women and children in Gaza--to make sure the next generation of Palestinians can't kill them, right?

Honestly, you sound pretty anti-Semitic to be claiming that Israel didn't have a right to defend itself. Do you denounce Hamas? Or do you think Israel isn't allowed to defend itself from Iran's nuclear missile program that has been about 3-5 years from building a functional bomb for the past thirty years?

Sorry to confuse you. However, I firmly believe that any sensible reasonably thinking person would NOT claim that my post or any of my posts were in any way shape or manner to be antisemitic. Please reread my posts.

I am I supporter of Israel, but I'm not a blind supporter. I have no hesitancy to point out and chastise Israel for misdeeds. However, I am a very strong supporter of Israel.

Rodney's post summarized my statement quite well. I simply don't want more wars.

 

[florduh]

I thought the "Peace Candidate" Trump was going to end our proxy wars "Day One"???? It's been 6 months and he's ended ZERO wars, while bringing us to the precipice of war with Iran.

A $250 Million War Game and Its Shocking Outcome

mackenzieinstitute.com

The Pentagon did a $250 million war game to simulate a conflict with Iran. The United States lost every time they ran the simulation. A war with Iran will make Iraq look like a Girl Scout outing.

Iran has been the end game for Israel all along

AND the United States. The same people baying for Iranian blood when I was a kid in the 90's are still in Congress today!

 

[Flotsam]

 

[macbill]

Appeals court won't rehear Trump's appeal of E. Jean Carroll defamation, sexual abuse case

President Trump has previously indicated he would challenge the E. Jean Carroll case all the way to the Supreme Court.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[chillAtGVC]

I dont know if the attack on Iran was really necessary. Frankly, it's frightening as it could, and probably will, lead to more violen

This may have been of some concern: https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-38.pdf

 

[Bazinga]

My concern, perhaps unfounded, is that Iran would share some of their nuclear weapons with bad players such as Hamas etal.

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

My concern, perhaps unfounded, is that Iran would share some of their nuclear weapons with bad players such as Hamas etal.

I'm not sure (euphemism) Hamas has the logistic to use nuclear heads.

 

[Pib]

Nuclear weapons in areas are stupid, all nuclear weapons are stupid. Iran feels, not without good reason, threatened by Israeli nuclear weapons. Perhaps Israel should simply give up nuclear weapons? No matter who has nuclear weapons is always a bad player. India and Pakistan both have nuclear weapons, thanks to the USA, and they are always so peaceful...

 

[cybrguy]

There is about zero chance of Israel voluntarily giving up their nuclear weapons. In truth, without that threat, I'm not sure they would still exist. I am not confident, however, that they will not be the first country in the modern era to use them.

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

I am not confident, however, that they will not be the first country in the modern era to use them.

It's between them and Russia...
But I agree that Israel is a few steps ahead.

 

[florduh]

I'm not sure (euphemism) Hamas has the logistic to use nuclear heads.

Radwin, you don't think the guys who make rifles and rockets out of salvaged bathroom plumbing have the ability to drop nuclear bombs from their hang-glider air force?

I am not confident, however, that they will not be the first country in the modern era to use them

It's called the "Samson Option". If Israel ever encounters an existential threat, they'll simply do a murder-suicide on the entire region

Samson Option - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nuclear weapons in areas are stupid, all nuclear weapons are stupid

I agree with you. But I doubt the Libyans or Ukrainians or Iraqis would. The truth of the matter is having nuclear weapons is the only thing that guarantees your country won't be destroyed by America or Russia.

Iran should re-double their efforts to obtain a nuclear weapon. Nothing would bring peace to the Middle East faster. If it were me, I'd buy one off of North Korea and get it delivered by Sunday at the latest

Live updates: Israel hit by missiles as Iran retaliates for strikes on nuclear sites

Iran fired missiles at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv in retaliation against Israel after the nation struck its nuclear program, military sites and killing at least three top military officers.

apnews.com

 

[Bazinga]

I'm not sure (euphemism) Hamas has the logistic to use nuclear heads.

Understood. I was more worried about suitcase nuclear bombs. Much smaller but still deadly.

Radwin, you don't think the guys who make rifles and rockets out of salvaged bathroom plumbing have the ability to drop nuclear bombs from their hang-glider air force?



It's called the "Samson Option". If Israel ever encounters an existential threat, they'll simply do a murder-suicide on the entire region

Samson Option - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I agree with you. But I doubt the Libyans or Ukrainians or Iraqis would. The truth of the matter is having nuclear weapons is the only thing that guarantees your country won't be destroyed by America or Russia.

Iran should re-double their efforts to obtain a nuclear weapon. Nothing would bring peace to the Middle East faster. If it were me, I'd buy one off of North Korea and get it delivered by Sunday at the latest

Live updates: Israel hit by missiles as Iran retaliates for strikes on nuclear sites

Iran fired missiles at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv in retaliation against Israel after the nation struck its nuclear program, military sites and killing at least three top military officers.

apnews.com

Does UPS/FEDEX deliver on Sunday I for one am very wary of Iran in possession of a nuke.

 

[florduh]

Hypersonic missiles pierced the Iron Dome over Tel Aviv

Netanyahu and the other terrorists are hiding under ground, using Israeli civilians as human shields