Tested. It's not the Ceramo.. It's 100% the cap itself causing it. Mine whines/hisses as well. Sounds like whiney air movement. OG cap does not do this. I removed the cap and held it with a pair of tweezers by a tooth and inserted for a quick second. As soon as the heater engages the noise comes. Materials must be different inside.. maybe the heater plates are not the same. now I want a new cap as well. It should not do that.
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Camouflet Ceramo XL
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SlickHenry
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Ah yes that is most likely it. I don't think it's defective just the different material. I sure prefer titanium though.
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popitup
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Same, but they did email me about the missing super capacitor.
My chip is more of an imperfection on the edge that touches the mouth. I can't really feel it with my lips, though.
I agree with a lot of the other recent feedback.
Agree.. me too. but I wonder if they did something different inside with the welds.. not sure how all stainless would resonate like that. Maybe a couple less heater plates or smaller in diameter (factory screwed them over) and they vibrate now, or not welded down with the same process as the titanium cap.. Only Camouflet can answer this or it's all speculation, not gonna break open the cap to look, lol.. but they may have a case with the factory for poor quality or cutting some corners here right? It's not unusual for these china factories to give you great production samples then cheap out on things in the full run, ya?
Good question.. Just tested. nope, dead silent.
somethings up with this new batch of caps. hope factory didn't pull a fast one.. few heater plates, rock, few plates, weld, lol. china special. gotta open and look.
Cacahuates
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I haven't experienced the screech or the spinning caps. I'll try to loosen it up or something. Gonna try some light hits with the ceramo. See if I she will grow on me. She's got one foot out the door as of now. The sc is a dud for me too. Doesn't make that much of a difference from the regular cap. Just takes longer to cool. Counter intuitive for my needs. Some people may like it. Does it have it's own thread too? Super capacitor! More mass! More energy to operate, more money... same effect! Fuck it, you'll buy it anyway.
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Ok I slammed it with the super cap for about 23 seconds on the wand. Nice big fluffy hits... but so hot after the 1st hit. Scrambled for the j-hook and the bottom of the hook got pretty warm.
Then I did the relaxed slow sesh. Nice tasty light hits... then when the fluffy vapour came so did the heat. I was surprised how many hits I got.
With the ceramo it's either White wall the glass piece, or light whispers.
This is what makes the cxl so versatile. You have these ends of the spectrum and a nice middle ground of big fluffy, tasty, COOL hits.
If I can find that happy medium the ceramo's a hit. No squealing or spin.
Also this thing is dead sexy and feels good in hand. Love the weight.
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Durbandream
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Yeah, mine also developed some corrosion on top after maybe 3 uses with the IH, I thought I was going crazy. There's something up with the new caps and the quality of the metal makes me worry about what I'm inhaling. I'm a big fan of Camouflet but they need to replace these caps.
Cacahuates
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My new one looks like your old one. Maybe I got old stock. Your new one looks pretty beat up. I hope they didn't change the quality.
Interesting on the welds. Prompted me to take a closer look at my og non-screeching cap compared to the new one more closely. At first glance the tiny air inlet holes on the top are not as perfectly lined up on the new cap compared to the og (first heat plate holes). The og isn't perfect either, but they are more centered. May have nothing to do with it tho.
The og seems to have 3 prominent weld points only. The new one has 6 prominent weld points that are staggered and of a smaller diameter then the og. The 3 welds closer to the top are an even smaller diameter then the bottom ones. I wonder if there is a small air gap between the layers that cause the outside of cap to vibrate and create the resonance. I don't think the wands induction field can heat the interior metal plates directly, just the surface - the field can't pass through the outer stainless layer. But the inductions magnetic field could be getting in slightly from the top most plate via the air inlet holes (barely) with just enough of an effect to cause the resonance due to the different staggered weld style below it..
Just another hypothesis to test but no way to really know without destroying the cap.. and even then might not tell us anything significant.. just a freak thing like a mystery rattle in your car, ha
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Between this and the chipped stem, this thing might end up in the trash sooner rather than later.
Durbandream
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What bothers me more than the screeching is the corrosion that seems to be happening with induction heating. Does anyone using it with a torch see any strange wear on it?
It is clear we have a problem with quality on the new caps. Not addressing this issue will determine this launch an abject failure. I think Camouflet needs to get onto their supplier as this needs some kind of solution.
If it was Camouflets decision to lower the quality of the cap to increase profit margins, then that was a very silly decision, and the cost in reputation and lost future sales will outweigh saved costs many times over as it compounds.
If it was Camouflets decision to lower the quality of the cap to increase profit margins, then that was a very silly decision, and the cost in reputation and lost future sales will outweigh saved costs many times over as it compounds.
It doesn't impact performance.. not sure if they can play the whine off as the expected behavior tho. the cap is definately hotter then the og.. had to shave an additional second off heating. it stays hot a little bit longer then the titanium.
torch only so far, no corrosion..
have yet to use the wand with it.. tested the cap for only for a second or two bursts to check for the whine
You think a high pitched scratching noise like nails on a chalkboard, and zero resistance to corroding almost instantly does not affect performance?
Does it not also give you health concerns? It's not exactly acting like decent quality SS is it? Mine will be almost certainly be going in the bin if it ever gets here.
Durbandream
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I agree completely, and we use these things a lot so serious issues coming up this soon are really worrying. How they handle this will say a lot about the company for sure since it seems like a pretty easy fix, and the Ceramo itself feels well made. I know Camouflet watches this forum so hopefully they give us some info soon.
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Wand only here and... this isn't exactly what I would call developing a patina.
I'm going to put it through a round of heat cycles later today - see what happens.
of course I do have concerns. I may just use the og cap for now until some explanation comes. I did a little google research on metal whine during induction and this comes up (it's more about/for induction stoves, which I don't use.. natural gas here):
Magnetostriction:
Induction heating uses electromagnetic fields to generate heat directly within the cookware. Some metals, particularly those with a higher degree of ferromagnetism, are magnetostrictive, meaning they expand and contract in response to the magnetic field. This expansion and contraction creates vibrations, resulting in the audible whine or buzz.
And AI says..
A high-pitched whining or buzzing sound during induction heating is often a result of magnetostriction, a phenomenon where the magnetic field interacts with the metal, causing it to vibrate. This vibration is more noticeable on higher heat settings or with certain types of cookware, especially if the cookware's base has different material layers that vibrate when heated.
edit: also says happens more often on lower quality cookware so yeah a different quality of stainless may have been used. as far as health concerns from it, unknown
edit 2: no doctor would approve even the highest quality metal as safe if you think about it.. i mean we're inhaling heat off hot metal, lol. it's a matter of how much risk you are willing to take vs. regular combustion.. not sure if anyone will truely say it's all safe.. even if using a venty.. i don't take the cap as hot as others do and the higher the heat the more risk of off gassing (logic) but really the jury is still out on safety for all vaping in general.. my gut tells me something like the terpsicle would be the safest with indirect heat and all glass..but not as mobile/practical on the go (i dont own one)
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Durbandream
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Exactly, even high quality metal probably isn't medically ideal for vaping, so this obviously low-quality construction should raise some red flags. It's crazy to vape regularly through something that starts to corrode in half a day with light use.
I’m kinda new to this space… do any of these cottage brands / manufactures disclose any safety information? Where the materials were made, what kinda testing they performed, etc? Part of the reason I’ve been a fan of Storz and Bickle is the medical certs and the fact that units are made in the healthcare manufacturing area of Germany. I know a lot of it is marketing BS, but still…
I must agree with you. My new cap looks like it came from a welding class. Bumpy and wavy to the point that it gets stuck on the inductor head and spins while I’m rotating. Causing uneven heating. My old cap fell on the floor and all the plates fell out.
I still like their stuff though.