Tornado by Vestratto

[tots]

J'ai essayé avec un petit briquet tempête et l'avb était plus foncé comparé à un autre chauffage que j'utilise (un vector 3 flammes) qui logiquement chauffe plus vite... Et le résultat était bien plus net avec le vector car trois flammes et j'ai vraiment préféré l'expérience pour ma part.. Après c'est vrai que les goûts peuvent changer d'une personne à l'autre et personnellement je préfère un avb doré plus foncé mais sans plus et le vector 3 flammes me convient parfaitement.. Je ferai une petite photo de l'avb comparé à un autre échauffement demain...

 

[prsqrd]

What’s everyone’s favorite heating method? I’m currently just using the wand. But I’m considering stepping that up to the camouflet inductor or maybe a premium torch.

I’m heating the tornado as well as the tempest.

I use a cheap torch.
Hit the Atomizer for 10-20secs from a cold start and then torch the near the top of the cap until it clicks.
Gives nice smooth OHE. To me, the hit this way is smoother than with the wand.

Haven't tried a big torch on the Tornado, but didn't like it on the Anvil. So I prefer a smaller flame.

 

[GlassWindows]

Tornado is gone from Vestratto website.

 

[coolbreeze]

Tornado is gone from Vestratto website.

It's like 'St. Stephen,' they had to stop because we liked it too much! ; )

 

[Bakin4Life]

Tornado is gone from Vestratto website.

The day I contact them, asking to be put on the next drop list... they remove the product in question.

 

[HoodiesAndHondas]

Yeah, I'm noticing the same. Slowly got used to loading it up all the way, but realizing that half bowls still get me baked. Also a bit easier to kill in one inhale.

Tornado + Forge is pretty much all I need right now. No VAS here.

Agreed. It’s really weird. One night when I didn’t really want to get blasted, just wanted to be a little buzzed before bed, I put in like 1/4 less than I usually do. But it somehow got me as high, if not higher, than my usual 3/4 full load.

I don’t get it. The only thing I can think of, is that it was just easier for air to move through the flower, giving more of an even roast (my roasts are always even, but maybe it was just more evenly roasted).

And I still don’t get how the Tornado gives way bigger hits and a stronger high, than using the same amount of flower in my Tempests and Dynavaps. Science is wild.

 

[RedZep]

The day I contact them, asking to be put on the next drop list... they remove the product in question.

They are probably just removing the listing to sell the Tornado as a complete unit with stem.

They will probably add the wpa as an optional accessory, like how they do it with the Anvil.

 

[Bakin4Life]

It's 'ok'. I'm used to Vestratto's customer care, having purchased from them before. Guess I'm a closeted masochist

(to be serious... it was more of an observation, vs a complaint)

 

[Wozz]

Cleared customs, looking good for Thursday

Got stung with an import fee though £45.24

 

[bridgesoid]

I’m considering stepping that up to the camouflet inductor or maybe a premium torch.

I’m heating the tornado as well as the tempest.

If you're considering an expensive purchase like the above you might like to consider giving an inexpensive torch like this one a try initially https://www.amazon.com.au/Professio...=XJfkd&pd_rd_w=T71hr&pd_rd_i=B0D4LQZLPV&psc=1

Turn the torch up nice and high and pop the tornado head in the heatzone just after the inner blue flame, the flame almost covers the entire head and secondary atomizer. Paint the head and secondary atomizer evenly and rotate at a comfortable pace... it's 8 seconds heating for OHE, 9 seconds for a very dark roast. Just count to 8 then remove, the nado will click as you're inserting it in to your rig or turning off the flame. I get better flavour and stronger hybrid effects the quicker I get the oven up to temp (less time for terps and volatile compounds to burn off).

By the way it doesn't need to be the torch linked specifically, just make sure the torch head you pick up has metal internals (if you prefer the look and feel of a silver chrome barrel and a plastic trigger like a standard dab torch in use, go for that) and fits this style of can of butane.. this will help ensure longevity of the torch vs plastic internals being subjected to intense radiant heat over time.

Another long term advantage of this style of torch over a premium torch is running costs. In the country I live in a 300ml can of Newport butane costs about 15 dollars US, while I can pick up 3 butane cylinders that fit this style of torch (total 700ml gas) for $2.80 US. That's a pretty massive saving over time.
Other tips: If you'd like to make the torch look a little prettier you can slide your favourite can cooler over the butane can.

If you're worried that yourself or others might not be able to count to 8 or 9 when you're orbiting the stratosphere you can idiot proof heat ups by sticking a cheap magnetic stopwatch with countdown timer/kitchen timer to the torch. Turn off the heat when it beeps, rinse and repeat. I hope that helps!

Edit: On the Inductor, I haven't used one but every finding and tip Roffa has posted in this thread has been completely on point and matched my experience exactly. I'd warrant he's dead on about the Inductor being amazing with the Nado. At this point in time the inductor very likely offers the most flexibility for dialling in your preferred style of hit quickly (It offers the ability to spot heat your Nado and TEDS and has the highest maximum wattage of all induction heaters that have been released thus far). If money wasn't an issue presently i'd love to pick one up.
I would still highly recommend picking up a torch first, configured as above you're getting something completely portable that has a heat up time very similar to the Forge V2 for a tiny fraction of the price. As Roffa says Inductor or not you'll still be wanting a torch handy

 

[Roffa]

Can you elaborate on that difference a little bit? When you say difference, is it a difference in how the device has you feeling or a difference in how your using it?

Also what was your previous heat method?

When I started out with Inductor, I was very cautious not to combust, so I kept to a low voltage, 22 V max, "painting" the device and pushed that up to 26 V. In the belief that I had to heat up the entire device with the Inductor. But I learned another way. Max voltage (28V), give short blasts of intense energy, let the copper in the device distribute the heat. Gives me the signature I like from torching (Anvil, Tornado too). I also vary the place where I place the ferro core. A bit lighter extraction to the top of the device, and when I place the ferro core over the inlet holes, I can get a lovely dark chocolate colored roast and RTL.

I also used a Wand with Tornado, and that left me underwhelmed. I think the Tornado shines when it's blast heated. The construction is so efficient at distributing heat. When I torch, I use one of these kitchen torches and blast the Tornado for a second, wait for the heat to distribute etc.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

If you're considering an expensive purchase like the above you might like to consider giving an inexpensive torch like this one a try initially https://www.amazon.com.au/Professio...=XJfkd&pd_rd_w=T71hr&pd_rd_i=B0D4LQZLPV&psc=1

Turn the torch up nice and high and pop the tornado head in the heatzone just after the inner blue flame, the flame almost covers the entire head and secondary atomizer. Paint the head and secondary atomizer evenly and rotate at a comfortable pace... it's 8 seconds heating for OHE, 9 seconds for a very dark roast. Just count to 8 then remove, the nado will click as you're inserting it in to your rig or turning off the flame. I get better flavour and stronger hybrid effects the quicker I get the oven up to temp (less time for terps and volatile compounds to burn off).

By the way it doesn't need to be the torch linked specifically, just make sure the torch head you pick up has metal internals (if you prefer the look and feel of a silver chrome barrel and a plastic trigger like a standard dab torch in use, go for that) and fits this style of can of butane.. this will help ensure longevity of the torch vs plastic internals being subjected to intense radiant heat over time.

Another long term advantage of this style of torch over a premium torch is running costs. In the country I live in a 300ml can of Newport butane costs about 15 dollars US, while I can pick up 3 butane cylinders that fit this style of torch (total 700ml gas) for $2.80 US. That's a pretty massive saving over time.
Other tips: If you'd like to make the torch look a little prettier you can slide your favourite can cooler over the butane can.

If you're worried that yourself or others might not be able to count to 8 or 9 when you're orbiting the stratosphere you can idiot proof heat ups by sticking a cheap magnetic stopwatch with countdown timer/kitchen timer to the torch. Turn off the heat when it beeps, rinse and repeat. I hope that helps!

Edit: On the Inductor, I haven't used one but every finding and tip Roffa has posted in this thread has been completely on point and matched my experience exactly. I'd warrant he's dead on about the Inductor being amazing with the Nado. At this point in time the inductor very likely offers the most flexibility for dialling in your preferred style of hit quickly (It offers the ability to spot heat your Nado and TEDS and has the highest maximum wattage of all induction heaters that have been released thus far). If money wasn't an issue presently i'd love to pick one up.
I would still highly recommend picking up a torch first, configured as above you're getting something completely portable that has a heat up time very similar to the Forge V2 for a tiny fraction of the price. As Roffa says Inductor or not you'll still be wanting a torch handy

Interesting… my local market has something a lot like you linked and the cans to go with it. I’ll be going there Saturday for my usual greasy burger and chips so might pick one up.

I have a RONX medium kitchen torch which is excellent and can heat fairly fast, but not 8-9 seconds fast. I think when I use mine for faster heatups it’s in this no mans land of neither heat soaking the bowl like a slower heatup or dumping enough heat fast enough like your heatup. Definitely tasty but certainly not giving me that strong hybrid hit.

I’m currently finding that I get the best results trying to get a click at around the 30 second mark (at the cost of terps of course) so I wonder if this would be best of both worlds.

Thanks for writing this up! Look forward to giving your technique a go

 

[TedJones]

When I started out with Inductor, I was very cautious not to combust, so I kept to a low voltage, 22 V max, "painting" the device and pushed that up to 26 V. In the belief that I had to heat up the entire device with the Inductor. But I learned another way. Max voltage (28V), give short blasts of intense energy, let the copper in the device distribute the heat. Gives me the signature I like from torching (Anvil, Tornado too). I also vary the place where I place the ferro core. A bit lighter extraction to the top of the device, and when I place the ferro core over the inlet holes, I can get a lovely dark chocolate colored roast and RTL.

I also used a Wand with Tornado, and that left me underwhelmed. I think the Tornado shines when it's blast heated. The construction is so efficient at distributing heat. When I torch, I use one of these kitchen torches and blast the Tornado for a second, wait for the heat to distribute etc.

Works pretty good, thx for the tip. I’ve been at 24.5 or 25 with 3-4 seconds contact a couple of times on opposite sides. A quick re-heat zap for a second pull if I’ve got a full bowl loaded. Cranked it up and gave it 4 touches. Definitely more aggressive as I got both clicks during one pull and the bowl was definitely spent

 

[bridgesoid]

Interesting… my local market has something a lot like you linked and the cans to go with it. I’ll be going there Saturday for my usual greasy burger and chips so might pick one up.

I have a RONX medium kitchen torch which is excellent and can heat fairly fast, but not 8-9 seconds fast. I think when I use mine for faster heatups it’s in this no mans land of neither heat soaking the bowl like a slower heatup or dumping enough heat fast enough like your heatup. Definitely tasty but certainly not giving me that strong hybrid hit.

I’m currently finding that I get the best results trying to get a click at around the 30 second mark (at the cost of terps of course) so I wonder if this would be best of both worlds.

Thanks for writing this up! Look forward to giving your technique a go

Super happy to share and I hope you find it offers you a way to eke out a different profile from the Nado like it has for me. I often load 3/4 bowls like you for maintenance dosing and it works nicely in that context like most heat sources, I find completely soaking the head like this makes it really easy to cash fully loaded bowls in one draw, pretty effortless to take them as a dark as you can go without pyrolysis, which is something a half charged wand or other tools I've tried can sometimes struggle with (extra time drawing on the nado is sometimes required to go that dark with a weaker heat source). This can be nice after dark and often stops me from feeling like I want to turn on a baller which is nice.

Because the flame is so large there is little to no hand technique involved in heating vs a smaller flame, which is nice... the one (and big) caveat being timing: 1-1.5 secs longer heating is the difference between a light caramel and riding the pyrolysis line. Please don't be put off by this though, most anyone would have things perfectly dialled after a day of use and an experienced head like yourself will very likely have everything perfectly dialled in by the third or fourth bowl I reckon.

When my pain is bad I have a longer heat up bowl with a jacked triple flame (max out conduction, very like you've described above) for a little extra sedation, (might be 20% more sedating for me? but I likely have a weird brain).. as you say less terps and more of a roasted taste but I don't mind it at all, certainly a lot smoother rip than an equivalent bowl size with other devices with that much conduction in the mix. Follow it up soon afterwards with a flash heated bowl of your terpiest indica and the mouthfeel transforms from roast to lip smacking from the hybrid hit. For weight of material loaded vs effect, the Tiodw Plus/T360 deliver the most sedation/insomnia relief I've found so far.. but they're much harder on my lungs without a big rig/cooling path so I opt for the nado almost all the time.

This is the exact torch I use mostly, (I've a brass one like the first link packed in with my camping kit) lots of good reviews and chefs on youtube seem to rec it for searing steaks and getting a char on veggies without a wok burner so it might be the most reliable option given chefs are heavy torch users? Pretty confident it's a mass produced and heavily rebranded item (where it says funowlet on the head mine reads "torch" and it was purchased from that exact listing with funowlet label) https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08L6P5BSM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

On the butane cans from the market, it's very likely you'll find some at a good price there BUT please please do check that the cans you pick up have a safety feature which will be listed on the can.. its called CRV here and RVR + TSV elsewhere. This feature makes it a lot harder to blow your hand off (we're likely pretty much at max available gas flow rate running these torches). They should still be very, very cheap with the feature vs without and the peace of mind knowing you're torch hand will likely still be attached to your arm for some years to come adds a little something to the insomnia relief of my heaviest indicas personally

One other thing, if it is a big outdoor market with mountains of different sellers like we have here take your nado head (no WPA part) with you along with a o ring or two if you fancy trying a very inexpensive long wide bore stem. One o ring and a twist and firm push down firmly seals the nado head onto an inexpensive 10 inch wide bore SS and a Ti smoothie straw that I've tried it on, it's nice having extra stem options lying around on the cheap. I'm keen to try it on a 10 or 12 inch glass straw for flavour town but I haven't been able to find one locally just yet.

 

[SlickHenry]

Anyone know if any news on the shipping of the pre ordered Tornado? Have emailed Vestratto but heard nothing back.

I find the whole release schedule and products on the site a bit of a mess if I am honest. I eventually managed to snag a Tornado about a month ago and picked up an adapter to use with my BFG stem only for them to release a dedicated complete Tornado stem a week or so ago.

Only this seems to have now sold out on the site but I can buy the stem without the heat shield (available separately)and XL mouthpiece (which is also sold out). They aren't really making it easy for people to pick up a complete device. Just seems there is a bit of disconnect and very piecemeal release.

 

[Zarete]

I'd buy the Tornado even if it cost double or triple the price, but I don't understand buying their IH when the wand heats it up in 25 seconds and reheats in 10 seconds.

On top of that, it's very expensive and requires special batteries.
I think it's much more suitable for the Anvil, which requires more heat time, but since the Tornado arrived, the Anvil has been in storage.

Perhaps the flavor improves somewhat if you heat it in 10 or 15 seconds compared to 25, but is that small improvement enough to pay the price of their IH? I don't think so. Even so, the VAS is dangerous; I occasionally glance at it.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

Super happy to share and I hope you find it offers you a way to eke out a different profile from the Nado like it has for me. I often load 3/4 bowls like you for maintenance dosing and it works nicely in that context like most heat sources, I find completely soaking the head like this makes it really easy to cash fully loaded bowls in one draw, pretty effortless to take them as a dark as you can go without pyrolysis, which is something a half charged wand or other tools I've tried can sometimes struggle with (extra time drawing on the nado is sometimes required to go that dark with a weaker heat source). This can be nice after dark and often stops me from feeling like I want to turn on a baller which is nice.

Because the flame is so large there is little to no hand technique involved in heating vs a smaller flame, which is nice... the one (and big) caveat being timing: 1-1.5 secs longer heating is the difference between a light caramel and riding the pyrolysis line. Please don't be put off by this though, most anyone would have things perfectly dialled after a day of use and an experienced head like yourself will very likely have everything perfectly dialled in by the third or fourth bowl I reckon.

When my pain is bad I have a longer heat up bowl with a jacked triple flame (max out conduction, very like you've described above) for a little extra sedation, (might be 20% more sedating for me? but I likely have a weird brain).. as you say less terps and more of a roasted taste but I don't mind it at all, certainly a lot smoother rip than an equivalent bowl size with other devices with that much conduction in the mix. Follow it up soon afterwards with a flash heated bowl of your terpiest indica and the mouthfeel transforms from roast to lip smacking from the hybrid hit. For weight of material loaded vs effect, the Tiodw Plus/T360 deliver the most sedation/insomnia relief I've found so far.. but they're much harder on my lungs without a big rig/cooling path so I opt for the nado almost all the time.

This is the exact torch I use mostly, (I've a brass one like the first link packed in with my camping kit) lots of good reviews and chefs on youtube seem to rec it for searing steaks and getting a char on veggies without a wok burner so it might be the most reliable option given chefs are heavy torch users? Pretty confident it's a mass produced and heavily rebranded item (where it says funowlet on the head mine reads "torch" and it was purchased from that exact listing with funowlet label) https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08L6P5BSM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

On the butane cans from the market, it's very likely you'll find some at a good price there BUT please please do check that the cans you pick up have a safety feature which will be listed on the can.. its called CRV here and RVR + TSV elsewhere. This feature makes it a lot harder to blow your hand off (we're likely pretty much at max available gas flow rate running these torches). They should still be very, very cheap with the feature vs without and the peace of mind knowing you're torch hand will likely still be attached to your arm for some years to come adds a little something to the insomnia relief of my heaviest indicas personally

One other thing, if it is a big outdoor market with mountains of different sellers like we have here take your nado head (no WPA part) with you along with a o ring or two if you fancy trying a very inexpensive long wide bore stem. One o ring and a twist and firm push down firmly seals the nado head onto an inexpensive 10 inch wide bore SS and a Ti smoothie straw that I've tried it on, it's nice having extra stem options lying around on the cheap. I'm keen to try it on a 10 or 12 inch glass straw for flavour town but I haven't been able to find one locally just yet.

Thank you so much for all this additional information, I really appreciate the detail you’ve gone into here. I think with all this I’ll be hitting the ground running.

Especially the part about the safety feature on the cans, I wouldn’t have even considered that to be a thing so I’m thankful for your potentially hand saving advice

I’m usually quite patient when it comes to learning heating techniques so I won’t be discouraged if I overshoot a few times. The way I see it, every great bowl I have now is standing on the shoulders of a few burnt ones. Trust the process, as they say!

Anyone know if any news on the shipping of the pre ordered Tornado? Have emailed Vestratto but heard nothing back.

I find the whole release schedule and products on the site a bit of a mess if I am honest. I eventually managed to snag a Tornado about a month ago and picked up an adapter to use with my BFG stem only for them to release a dedicated complete Tornado stem a week or so ago.

Only this seems to have now sold out on the site but I can buy the stem without the heat shield (available separately)and XL mouthpiece (which is also sold out). They aren't really making it easy for people to pick up a complete device. Just seems there is a of disconnect and very piecemeal release.

Welcome to Vestratto my friend

Seriously though, it’s always been like this. They’re a small operation, I think it’s John and a small handful of engineers and I believe his wife and daughter do the CS. I always try to be mindful of that when dealing with them. There’s a lot of plates being spun by not a lot of people.

The inconsistent communication and sometimes disjointed nature in which they operate can certainly be frustrating at times though.

The timeframes they give for shipping are usually about right in my experience. I’ve had mixed experience when it comes to emailing them. Sometimes it’s really on point and other times it takes a while to get a response. I’d wait a week or so and then send a follow up if no response, usually works for me.

It will get shipped though, so don’t worry!

If you want to get any other parts that they don’t have in stock or just don’t want to do international shipping, then go to Azzwoodcustoms who handles UK distribution for them. I’ve ordered off him quite a bit and the communication and service has always been top tier. Cool stickers and freebies in the order too I don’t think he has the Tornado and the T stem in yet but he’s got everything to build up the stem like heat shields and XL mouthpiece.

 

[RedZep]

I'd buy the Tornado even if it cost double or triple the price, but I don't understand buying their IH when the wand heats it up in 25 seconds and reheats in 10 seconds.

On top of that, it's very expensive and requires special batteries.
I think it's much more suitable for the Anvil, which requires more heat time, but since the Tornado arrived, the Anvil has been in storage.

Perhaps the flavor improves somewhat if you heat it in 10 or 15 seconds compared to 25, but is that small improvement enough to pay the price of their IH? I don't think so. Even so, the VAS is dangerous; I occasionally glance at it.

Please don't give them ideas. The device is great and absolutely worth the money. But we want the device to stay a price that most people can afford it. I get the sentiment though.

 

[Cheebsy]

Anyone know if any news on the shipping of the pre ordered Tornado? Have emailed Vestratto but heard nothing back.

I find the whole release schedule and products on the site a bit of a mess if I am honest. I eventually managed to snag a Tornado about a month ago and picked up an adapter to use with my BFG stem only for them to release a dedicated complete Tornado stem a week or so ago.

Only this seems to have now sold out on the site but I can buy the stem without the heat shield (available separately)and XL mouthpiece (which is also sold out). They aren't really making it easy for people to pick up a complete device. Just seems there is a bit of disconnect and very piecemeal release.

I couldn't agree more with this. I've dealt with vestratto numerous times over the years. In the beginning I was lenient with it, but thier lack of joined up thinking is really annoying... Why would anyone put something up for preorder, ~2 weeks before announcing an accessory that a large number of pre orders would have found to have been a better fit, or at least complimentary to the wpa. I have no desire for the WPA. I emailed on the day that the stem was released asking if I could swap my wpa for the stem. Thier reply was basically it's too difficult and would take them time to organise. My option was to accept it the way it is, or cancel and be subjected to running the gauntlet again next time... I understand, small team etc, but it wouldn't have taken much brain power to delay that round of pre orders until the stem was an option, or at least offer it as an option with a longer delay.