Tornado by Vestratto

[tasticleeze]

Hi!
I was able to order a Tornado! I know there are threads about an Adapter and maybe stems?
Is there anyone who sends to europe?
Thanks!

Scruffywoofers I think has a site and sends to us and Europe I believe. I got the adapter because I have lots of nice stems already

 

[Himothy]

Scruffywoofers I think has a site and sends to us and Europe I believe. I got the adapter because I have lots of nice stems already

His Tornado stands(I use it for the TA, same diameter) is also the best stand I own.

 

[lluther]

I’ve seen numerous posts, including from Lee at Tabletop Bong, saying that 525°F is the sweet spot for the Wand’s timeout. However, when I use 525F and copy his depth measurement, I end up combusting and have to lower it all the way to 460°F.

I’ve read multiple accounts of slight variations in the Wand’s insert hole diameter, but nothing about inconsistencies with the timeout settings. Mine displays the teardrop icon, not the flower icon, by the way.

Has anyone experienced something similar? The difference is so large that I’m wondering what’s going on. I’m in the UK, and the temperature isn’t particularly hot or cold, so that shouldn’t be affecting it this much. Batteries are fully charged.

 

[PossumMD]

I’ve seen numerous posts, including from Lee at Tabletop Bong, saying that 525°F is the sweet spot for the Wand’s timeout. However, when I use 525F and copy his depth measurement, I end up combusting and have to lower it all the way to 460°F.

I’ve read multiple accounts of slight variations in the Wand’s insert hole diameter, but nothing about inconsistencies with the timeout settings. Mine displays the teardrop icon, not the flower icon, by the way.

Has anyone experienced something similar? The difference is so large that I’m wondering what’s going on. I’m in the UK, and the temperature isn’t particularly hot or cold, so that shouldn’t be affecting it this much. Batteries are fully charged.

You're not super far out, it's less than 40°C difference with Lee and 20°Cish less than me. I have two friends with multiple wands and both have marked them so they know which temp to have each set at as they're all different (not massive differences, but they're there).

 

[tasticleeze]

I’ve seen numerous posts, including from Lee at Tabletop Bong, saying that 525°F is the sweet spot for the Wand’s timeout. However, when I use 525F and copy his depth measurement, I end up combusting and have to lower it all the way to 460°F.

I’ve read multiple accounts of slight variations in the Wand’s insert hole diameter, but nothing about inconsistencies with the timeout settings. Mine displays the teardrop icon, not the flower icon, by the way.

Has anyone experienced something similar? The difference is so large that I’m wondering what’s going on. I’m in the UK, and the temperature isn’t particularly hot or cold, so that shouldn’t be affecting it this much. Batteries are fully charged.

I know the timing can be different if inserting from top or bottom of wand?

I use mine at 420f inserting from the bottom and I have a silicone cap plugging the top end so I don’t get an error msg on the wand.

I never make it to timeout and just pull it out immediately on first click

 

[RedZep]

Does the wand heat the secondary atomiser as well as the chamber?

 

[TigoleBitties]

Does the wand heat the secondary atomiser as well as the chamber?

It will heat the atomizer if you only heat the tip (bowl) as it's all connected via copper-sandwiched stainless but see this post:

Vestratto Tornado heating tips

I have a custom insert coming in for my wand, I like inserting it from the back but it heats it up way more darker avb on the click. Can insert from top but do not turn it on until its all the way in otherwise an error occurs from the head going in and out while in automode when inserting versus...

fuckcombustion.com

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

 

[SockPuppetTheatrics]

I’ve seen numerous posts, including from Lee at Tabletop Bong, saying that 525°F is the sweet spot for the Wand’s timeout. However, when I use 525F and copy his depth measurement, I end up combusting and have to lower it all the way to 460°F.

I’ve read multiple accounts of slight variations in the Wand’s insert hole diameter, but nothing about inconsistencies with the timeout settings. Mine displays the teardrop icon, not the flower icon, by the way.

Has anyone experienced something similar? The difference is so large that I’m wondering what’s going on. I’m in the UK, and the temperature isn’t particularly hot or cold, so that shouldn’t be affecting it this much. Batteries are fully charged.

Wands can be inconsistent from model to model in a number of ways, including coil height, which can impact the temperature at which combustion occurs

 

[letter never sent]

I think that’s it for now. These are just my initial raw impressions. I’ll report back after getting more familiar.

After using the Forge for a few days, I think I found my sweet spot. 5500J @ 85% is getting me real close to my ideal torch hits. The flavor is better though and it's now a faster, more consistent, less noisy process. The Forge is a home run. Haven't had to charge the battery yet. Now I need to pull out the Anvil and dial that in as well.

 

[DaBouse]

What is everyones favorite water piece to run for this? I enjoy the airflow of my orb v3, but its an 18mm, requires an adapter, and im worried that the o-rings are going to pull out the adapter and shatter the orb. looking for `a native 14mm piece with heavy airflow. I bought a recycler but its too restrictive for the tornado. I dont have the lung capacity to clear it.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

Could someone that uses their wand for one heatup RTL share some pics of the AVB?

The wind here in England is getting ridiculous and it’s got me reconsidering my idea of using this device torch only.

If the wand can get it as dark and even as my touch I’ll try to take advantage of the deal dynavap have got going at the moment! For anyone that doesn’t know there’s currently a discount on the wand on dynavap’s site, and then a further 20% off if you find the clover on the page. Makes it stupid cheap to get a wand

 

[RedZep]

Could someone that uses their wand for one heatup RTL share some pics of the AVB?

The wind here in England is getting ridiculous and it’s got me reconsidering my idea of using this device torch only.

If the wand can get it as dark and even as my touch I’ll try to take advantage of the deal dynavap have got going at the moment! For anyone that doesn’t know there’s currently a discount on the wand on dynavap’s site, and then a further 20% off if you find the clover on the page. Makes it stupid cheap to get a wand

I have not managed to get good results with the Tornado yet. But I have only tried a few times. I thi k the wand is a great tool in general depending on your other vapes though. It's amazing with the Tempest and Convector XL. Supposed to be great with Dynavaps as well.

Lots of people say it works well with the Tornado, so I have to believe I'm doing something wrong.

 

[lluther]

Could someone that uses their wand for one heatup RTL share some pics of the AVB?

The wind here in England is getting ridiculous and it’s got me reconsidering my idea of using this device torch only.

If the wand can get it as dark and even as my touch I’ll try to take advantage of the deal dynavap have got going at the moment! For anyone that doesn’t know there’s currently a discount on the wand on dynavap’s site, and then a further 20% off if you find the clover on the page. Makes it stupid cheap to get a wand

I’ve been getting great results with the Wand, using it at 380°F with a dry rig until timeout, one-hit extraction. You’d want a higher setting for a water rig; I get dark AVB from 420°F and up with a one-hit extraction.

Wands seem to vary in their settings from unit to unit. A lot of people recommend 525°F until timeout. I use the Tempest insert upside down so the Tornado is hands-free.

I’d recommend watching Lee from Tabletop Bong’s video about his setup, he uses the same insert for hands-free operation and shows how deep the Tornado sits in the Wand.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

I have not managed to get good results with the Tornado yet. But I have only tried a few times. I thi k the wand is a great tool in general depending on your other vapes though. It's amazing with the Tempest and Convector XL. Supposed to be great with Dynavaps as well.

Lots of people say it works well with the Tornado, so I have to believe I'm doing something wrong.

How are you heating it with the wand? From what I’ve heard John saying he seems to recommend inserting from the bottom, then leaving it to rest on the glass lip while it heats until first or second click for RTL. That’s how I would likely do it if I got one, seems pretty foolproof and consistent.

I’ve been getting great results with the Wand, using it at 380°F with a dry rig until timeout, one-hit extraction. You’d want a higher setting for a water rig; I get dark AVB from 420°F and up with a one-hit extraction.

Wands seem to vary in their settings from unit to unit. A lot of people recommend 525°F until timeout. I use the Tempest insert upside down so the Tornado is hands-free.

I’d recommend watching Lee from Tabletop Bong’s video about his setup, he uses the same insert for hands-free operation and shows how deep the Tornado sits in the Wand.

Thanks for the advice! That sounds awesome, I want a dark, even roast in one heatup so that sounds like a good technique for achieving it. Will give it a watch, love watching Lee’s content.

Have you tried inserting from the back and going to the click? If so why do you prefer your method? I’m curious why some insert from the bottom and some from the top.

 

[lluther]

How are you heating it with the wand? From what I’ve heard John saying he seems to recommend inserting from the bottom, then leaving it to rest on the glass lip while it heats until first or second click for RTL. That’s how I would likely do it if I got one, seems pretty foolproof and consistent.


Thanks for the advice! That sounds awesome, I want a dark, even roast in one heatup so that sounds like a good technique for achieving it. Will give it a watch, love watching Lee’s content.

Have you tried inserting from the back and going to the click? If so why do you prefer your method? I’m curious why some insert from the bottom and some from the top.

"How are you heating it with the wand? From what I’ve heard John saying he seems to recommend inserting from the bottom, then leaving it to rest on the glass lip while it heats until first or second click for RTL. That’s how I would likely do it if I got one, seems pretty foolproof and consistent."

So far I've been doing it from the front not the back, I am aware of the advice about using the back of the wand, I just haven't tried that yet as it's working so well from the front which is easier to use for me anyway.

"Have you tried inserting from the back and going to the click? If so why do you prefer your method? I’m curious why some insert from the bottom and some from the top."

I ignore the click and use the wand timer, when it times out it's done. I broke my interior wand glass, which might be why I can insert it from the front as there's no glass lip.

 

[RedZep]

How are you heating it with the wand? From what I’ve heard John saying he seems to recommend inserting from the bottom, then leaving it to rest on the glass lip while it heats until first or second click for RTL. That’s how I would likely do it if I got one, seems pretty foolproof and consistent.


Thanks for the advice! That sounds awesome, I want a dark, even roast in one heatup so that sounds like a good technique for achieving it. Will give it a watch, love watching Lee’s content.

Have you tried inserting from the back and going to the click? If so why do you prefer your method? I’m curious why some insert from the bottom and some from the top.

I did that. I took it out after one click, and it was wispy. To be fair, I don't think I would like to leave it in much longer. It takes a lot of time compared to other vapes, so does not instill a sense of efficiency. The other times I tried I got the positioning wrong and it completely cooked the material in the bowl before I could draw on it.

I feel like I would like to master it with the wand as an option, but it would never be my preferred method. I would prefer a good torch, or a Conductor one day.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

I did that. I took it out after one click, and it was wispy. To be fair, I don't think I would like to leave it in much longer. It takes a lot of time compared to other vapes, so does not instill a sense of efficiency. The other times I tried I got the positioning wrong and it completely cooked the material in the bowl before I could draw on it.

I feel like I would like to master it with the wand as an option, but it would never be my preferred method. I would prefer a good torch, or a Conductor one day.

Oh that’s odd. Most of the videos I’ve seen of that backward insertion it’s typically second clicking by the 30 second mark.

That’s about as long as I’m heating for best effects with the Torch. If I can get that time and the same roast I’ll be very happy.

Is yours taking a lot longer than that then? Wouldn’t surprise me with wand variation.

I’m surprised you haven’t tried going to the second click to be honest, if for no other reason than to say you’ve tried taking that technique all the way before moving onto another.

"How are you heating it with the wand? From what I’ve heard John saying he seems to recommend inserting from the bottom, then leaving it to rest on the glass lip while it heats until first or second click for RTL. That’s how I would likely do it if I got one, seems pretty foolproof and consistent."

So far I've been doing it from the front not the back, I am aware of the advice about using the back of the wand, I just haven't tried that yet as it's working so well from the front which is easier to use for me anyway.

"Have you tried inserting from the back and going to the click? If so why do you prefer your method? I’m curious why some insert from the bottom and some from the top."

I ignore the click and use the wand timer, when it times out it's done. I broke my interior wand glass, which might be why I can insert it from the front as there's no glass lip.

Thanks for the additional information! I suppose with the timer instead of the click you have a more gradual control over the roast as well. Guess it just depends on whether my wand will have the bigger or smaller opening, the variance from wand to wand makes it hard to know until it’s in hand.

 

[lluther]

Oh that’s odd. Most of the videos I’ve seen of that backward insertion it’s typically second clicking by the 30 second mark.

That’s about as long as I’m heating for best effects with the Torch. If I can get that time and the same roast I’ll be very happy.

Is yours taking a lot longer than that then? Wouldn’t surprise me with wand variation.

I’m surprised you haven’t tried going to the second click to be honest, if for no other reason than to say you’ve tried taking that technique all the way before moving onto another.


Thanks for the additional information! I suppose with the timer instead of the click you have a more gradual control over the roast as well. Guess it just depends on whether my wand will have the bigger or smaller opening, the variance from wand to wand makes it hard to know until it’s in hand.

"I’m surprised you haven’t tried going to the second click to be honest, if for no other reason than to say you’ve tried taking that technique all the way before moving onto another."

I never mentioned that I didn't get to the second click, I do get two clicks with my heat up (if memory serves). Also, I've only had it a few days.

"Is yours taking a lot longer than that then? Wouldn’t surprise me with wand variation."

I'm not sure exactly, but I think it's less than 30 seconds.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

"I’m surprised you haven’t tried going to the second click to be honest, if for no other reason than to say you’ve tried taking that technique all the way before moving onto another."

I only received the Tornado a couple of days ago, it's on my todo list.

"Is yours taking a lot longer than that then? Wouldn’t surprise me with wand variation."

I'm not sure exactly, but I think it's less than 30 seconds.

I mean those questions to the other user I was chatting with, but if you want to experiment going to the second click with the backwards technique I’d love to know your results too

 

[RedZep]

Oh that’s odd. Most of the videos I’ve seen of that backward insertion it’s typically second clicking by the 30 second mark.

That’s about as long as I’m heating for best effects with the Torch. If I can get that time and the same roast I’ll be very happy.

Is yours taking a lot longer than that then? Wouldn’t surprise me with wand variation.

I’m surprised you haven’t tried going to the second click to be honest, if for no other reason than to say you’ve tried taking that technique all the way before moving onto another.


Thanks for the additional information! I suppose with the timer instead of the click you have a more gradual control over the roast as well. Guess it just depends on whether my wand will have the bigger or smaller opening, the variance from wand to wand makes it hard to know until it’s in hand.

Then I'm definitely doing something wrong. Ignore me.

I think the wand is an amazing tool regardless. Especially if it's going cheap.

 

[AndyO]

Then I'm definitely doing something wrong. Ignore me.

I think the wand is an amazing tool regardless. Especially if it's going cheap.

Once again, you need to ignore the click if you're using it with a wand. Stop. Think about the logic of the click disk.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

Unless I’m missing something obvious it seems that the rule of thumb is

Insert from back? Respect clicks.

Insert from top? Respect timer.

Am I somewhere around the right idea with that?

I think I’m gonna cop the wand either way as it would be silly to let that deal DV are offering pass me by

 

[RedZep]

Once again, you need to ignore the click if you're using it with a wand. Stop. Think about the logic of the click disk.

Once again? I've been told to wait for second click, now i'm being told to ignore the click. I'm not perceiving an obvious concensus the way you are.

Also lots of people are still asking about the wand. If you don't have the patience for new people in the thread asking questions, then just don't interact with them.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Dropping thru the top enables you to use hands free. I had to use from the back because the opening in the top of my Wand is to small.
I ordered a second Wand and the Tornado fits easily. I have not set it up to use yet.
I use the Wand mostly for DV's. The Tornado heats easily in the Wand. You have to play with the depth to find your sweet spot
I have never paid attention to the timer. Heat to the click