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Abele Rizieri Ferrari

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In Amsterdam climate march yesterday. Calls for the destruction of Israel from the stage of the biggest climate protest in Netherlands to date, defended by the face of climate activism. It's so idiotic to see the attention for the most important struggle humanity is facing get piggybacked to bluntly defend one party in the most divisive political issue of the last century (by calling for the destruction of Israel the action surpasses criticism of Israeli policy in the current war.) Leave it to the left to internationally make an ass out of itself.
 
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florduh

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Calls for the destruction of Israel from the stage of the biggest climate protest in Netherlands to date
(by calling for the destruction of Israel

What are the exact comments you're referring to here? Because I HIGHLY doubt someone got up on stage and said "We need to destroy Israel".

It's so idiotic to see the attention for the most important struggle humanity is facing get piggybacked to bluntly defend one party in the most divisive political issue of the last century

I got news for you. Europe and the United States don't financially support Israel out of the goodness of their hearts. They want a like minded ally in a region rich with oil. There absolutely is a connection between this longstanding conflict and climate change.

Leave it to the left to internationally make an ass out of itself.

I mean, here's the video.


I dunno. Doesn't really look like the 20 year old is the one making an ass out of herself here. And "I'm here for a climate change rally, not for politics" is such a funny line.

Frankly, most people under the age of 45 aren't going to find anything very objectionable about what Thunberg said. So what's the problem here exactly? Now old people are gonna be less sympathetic to solving climate change? LOL, because they were doing such a GREAT job before!

Thunberg is also consistent on this issue:


I also like that this girl is now the international spokesperson for "The Left".
 

Abele Rizieri Ferrari

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are the exact comments you're referring to here? Because I HIGHLY doubt someone got up on stage and said "We need to destroy Israel".
"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"
I got news for you. Europe and the United States don't financially support Israel out of the goodness of their hearts.

It's not news to me, I've actually posted about this before on FC, not sure if it was I. This thread.
They want a like minded ally in a region rich with oil. There absolutely is a connection between this longstanding conflict and climate change.

Among other reasons, sure. The west uses Israeli Jews as a pawn to its own advantage. The call for the destruction of Israel during this march isn't because of some connection to oil though. That connection is only used by some to legitimize the call for the destruction of Israel during a climate march. The cause for that call for the destruction of Israel is the view that Israel is occupying Palestinian land.

I dunno. Doesn't really look like the 20 year old is the one making an ass out of herself here. And "I'm here for a climate change rally, not for politics" is such a funny line.

You understand that people don't randomly grab the mic from a speaker to make a statement like this, right? A speaker before Thunberg was shouting the aforementioned phrase. When Thunberg took the mic, she handed it back to the one who had shouted that phrase. So yeah, I think my explanation as defending calls for the destruction of Israel is totally warranted.

Frankly, most people under the age of 45 aren't going to find anything very objectionable about what Thunberg said.

Conjecture.

So what's the problem here exactly? Now old people are gonna be less sympathetic to solving climate change? LOL, because they were doing such a GREAT job before!

Plenty of people under 45 don't care about climate. A huge march is a way to get attention for the issue. Now the attention goes toward this leftist infighting cliche. It's self sabotage. That's not gonna convince those people of either getting behind climate action nor supporting Palestine. It's just virtue signaling within the echo chamber, and beyond that they are hollow words, only showing the dissension among the left, among the climate movement.

Also there's old people with lots of reach, especially in their own age group, that feel the need to openly distance themselves from this diluting of climate activism with this political activism. But it seems that as far as you're concerned anyone above 45 isn't worth the effort? As you are generalizing the demographic with high voting turnout among other forms of influence.

I also like that this girl is now the international spokesperson for "The Left".
Oh but she isn't. She's still nothing more than that climate girl in the eyes of a lot of people.

(I'm not gonna discuss this any further. As non native speaker it cost me some effort and time to write out these posts and I've said what I want about the issue)
 
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Being free is a reasonable request, and from the river to the sea (previously Mandatory Palestine) everyone should be free. Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian territory and the apartheid system imposed means that Palestinians by the river (West Bank) and by the sea (Gaza) are not free.

For extremists on both sides freedom for one means destruction of the other, but that is the worst kind of nationalism.

And if "freedom" means "genocide" there is something very wrong with humanity.
 

florduh

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Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian territory and the apartheid system imposed means that Palestinians by the river (West Bank) and by the sea (Gaza) are not free.

Also, Palestinian Arabs living within the borders of Israel proper are treated as second class citizens by Israeli law. I'd considered them "not free" as well.


“Palestinians have been divided in a myriad of ways by Israeli policy. There are Palestinian refugees denied repatriation because of discriminatory Israeli laws. There are Palestinians denied equal rights living within Israel’s internationally recognized territory as second-class citizens. There are Palestinians living with no citizenship rights under Israeli military occupation in the West Bank. There are Palestinians in legal limbo in occupied Jerusalem and facing expulsion. There are Palestinians in Gaza living under an Israeli siege. All of them suffer from a range of policies in a singular system of discrimination and apartheid—a system that can only be challenged by their unified opposition. All of them have a right to live freely in the land from the river to the sea."

For some context, this article in Jewish Currents was written two and a half years ago.
 

Abele Rizieri Ferrari

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That is your interpretation of the phrase. But it is not an explicit call for the destruction of Israel. I certainly don't take it that way.
Obviously it's not explicit. It's more like promoting the lizard people conspiracy by someone who knows of the antisemite inplications around it in front of a crowd familiar with that controversy, and then defending it by saying that not everyone recognizes and interprets it as an antisemite conspiracy.
 
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pakalolo

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Please move on from the conflict in the Middle East. This is not a forum for politics. While we don't forbid political discussion, we don't want divisive issues taking over a thread. If you want to debate the issue, there are plenty of other places you can do that. Thanks for your cooperation.
 

Cheebsy

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Find out when words first appeared in print journalism. What words first appeared in your birth year?
Heh! Apparently, my birth year was when the terms "bikini wax" and "super spreader" were coined... Makes me wonder if they are related lol
 

florduh

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I paid to get access to this season of Blowback early/ad-free and it was absolutely fantastic. It's now out for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, etc.

The news media described America's war on Afghanistan as lasting 20 years. But it was much closer to 40 years. And understanding this 40 year long debacle is critical to understanding modern world history.

The podcast absolutely slapped. Amazing soundtrack too.


Here's the first episode on the YouTubes.

 

florduh

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Yeah. Well.


Elon Musk is a straight up fucking Nazi. We let a Nazi buy one of the biggest mass communication platforms in human history.

Shortly after, Musk replied, “You have said the actual truth.” In the same thread, the billionaire later added, “The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. It is not right and needs to stop.”


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In addition to being a virulent antisemite, Musk is a huge racist. I guess, not surprising for a Nazi.

The Far Right hates Jews in general and George Soros in particular. Because Soros funds Democrat political campaigns. Jews generally vote for Democrats. And Democrats are more pro-immigration than Republicans. Immigration means dirty brown people are entering our beautiful pure white country.

It's really sick that Musk is out there claiming "minority groups are the primary threat" to Jews in America. Five years ago the deadliest terror attack against Jews in American history was carried out. By a far Right Wing White Supremacist. A guy with the same beliefs as Elon.


Very cool that we've let a South African Nazi launch an even bigger version of Gab!
 
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It may be a medical thing. He 52 years old. He may have a heart condition that was just diagnosed or something. Conjecture of course, but there are no details on why. He HAS quit before and gone back.

Hopefully it isnt anything serious but still. Sad day for the brotherhood if this holds true.

Hope he is ok.

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