Tafée Bowle

west-elec

Well-Known Member
Monkeytime, the only issue with POTV is that they won't offer any warranty support internationally.

Australian consumer law actually says this is illegal when dealing with Australian customers, but POTV don't seem to care about that.

If the unit had issues, according to their international returns policy, the victim of the faulty unit would have to pay return postage, at the very least.
They also say they won't even deal with international warranty (which again is against Australian consumer law - we need to return the item to the retailer, NOT the manufacturer) - they say to send to the company at own cost instead.

So, a very expensive device with a poor warranty, not great for anyone overseas.

I asked Tafee about local distribution but they ignored my email. Not a good company it seems.
No point quoting Australian law if the company isn't based in Australia. Irrelevant to them. Unfortunately when you buy from overseas distributors you have to expect different terms and conditions. Not at all unusual to have to pay return shipping and not really unusual to have to send back to the manufacturer not distributor.
It sucks you are getting the run around but POTV have just moved you a box, and it wouldn't be fair if they have to pay international shipping both ways because of a fault that was not their problem.
Goes with the territory being based in Aus and part of the risk we take early adopting from far away lands. You should have been in on the Grasshopper warranty rollercoaster, that was fun. I don't think you will have that sort of problem getting a working vape with Tafee, they haven't really had any other bad CS reports I know of.
Being on the other side of the world has benefits too, far less Corona (until very recently that is).
 

ninjagaijin

Active Member
West-elec, just to confirm, I didn't order from POTV, but was interested in the Tafee Bowle and POTV is the only stockist I can find online for it. So they aren't giving me the runaround - I just was making the statement since I see people outside the US saying 'I ordered through POTV because of the great return policy' but literally none of that applies to anyone outside North America. I was carefully looking at the returns policy since this is a new product and I have very bad luck with products generally (for some reason I get defective and faulty products often sent to me from companies, feel cursed sometimes). I obviously would prefer to buy locally where I could return easily if there was a problem, but looks like that isn't an option for this vape. It's a very expensive vape and with a battery-life that dictates the lifetime of the unit, I am currently not sold on it but I do want a good on -demand vape. After seeing this initially I thought this might be it but a little concerned with the way the company is ignoring requests for MSDS from arb and not being specific about composition of the coil.

Australian consumer law covers any company that sells to an Australian - it prompted Valve to introduce a returns policy for worldwide users, so it isn't specific to Australian companies. "All your usual consumer rights apply when you shop with an Australian online business. Those rights may also apply when you buy from an overseas online business although you might find it difficult to get a repair, replacement or refund because the business is not based in Australia." - https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/online-shopping/shopping-online#:~:text=All your usual consumer rights,is not based in Australia
For Australian consumers, we do not have to pay return postage on defective/faulty items under warranty. But obviously this can be trouble when ordering from overseas if a company doesn't wish to abide by the laws concerning sales to Australians. I understand how this can make it less attractive for businesses to sell to Australians. I personally love our warranty law though and think all consumers should have these kinds of rights. You buy something defective, you shouldn't be paying for return postage. Anyway a bit off topic!

Really appreciate this thread and all the info contained.. gives me pause to wait to see if they revise the design. Or at least bring the price down.

I'm new to vaping the past year, what was the Grasshopper issue? I only have an Arizer EQ with ddave mod and one hitter WPA and was wanting something I don't need to wait 10-15 minutes to heat up before using each time. I'm not sure it is worth spending so much money on my second vape. But all vapes locally are quite expensive so it's not a HUGE leap in price from $250-500 AUD etc. I also got the false impression that the 'Hydrology 9' might be a decent vape until doing heavier research recently, so I'm taking all the positive reviews of the Tafee Bowle with a grain of sand. I realise that the Hydrology 9 has a shittonne more issues than the Bowle but it still makes me nervous when I only hear reviewers/influencers saying good things about a product.

And yes we have been very lucky with Corona, only a thousand dead so far and 25,000 cases or something in Aus.. I'm in the music scene/industry though so the lack of cases don't mean much for us, we're still being treated like crap and loads of restrictions compared to sport and other industries. Considering leaving my career path to start over at 38.. urgh. At least vaccinations coming through this year.
 
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west-elec

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West-elec, just to confirm, I didn't order from POTV, but was interested in the Tafee Bowle and POTV is the only stockist I can find online for it. So they aren't giving me the runaround - I just was making the statement since I see people outside the US saying 'I ordered through POTV because of the great return policy' but literally none of that applies to anyone outside North America. I was carefully looking at the returns policy since this is a new product and I have very bad luck with products generally (for some reason I get defective and faulty products often sent to me from companies, feel cursed sometimes). I obviously would prefer to buy locally where I could return easily if there was a problem, but looks like that isn't an option for this vape. It's a very expensive vape and with a battery-life that dictates the lifetime of the unit, I am currently not sold on it but I do want a good on -demand vape. After seeing this initially I thought this might be it but a little concerned with the way the company is ignoring requests for MSDS from arb and not being specific about composition of the coil.

Australian consumer law covers any company that sells to an Australian - it prompted Valve to introduce a returns policy for worldwide users, so it isn't specific to Australian companies. "All your usual consumer rights apply when you shop with an Australian online business. Those rights may also apply when you buy from an overseas online business although you might find it difficult to get a repair, replacement or refund because the business is not based in Australia." - https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/online-shopping/shopping-online#:~:text=All your usual consumer rights,is not based in Australia
For Australian consumers, we do not have to pay return postage on defective/faulty items under warranty. But obviously this can be trouble when ordering from overseas if a company doesn't wish to abide by the laws concerning sales to Australians. I understand how this can make it less attractive for businesses to sell to Australians. I personally love our warranty law though and think all consumers should have these kinds of rights. You buy something defective, you shouldn't be paying for return postage. Anyway a bit off topic!

Really appreciate this thread and all the info contained.. gives me pause to wait to see if they revise the design. Or at least bring the price down.

I'm new to vaping the past year, what was the Grasshopper issue? I only have an Arizer EQ with ddave mod and one hitter WPA and was wanting something I don't need to wait 10-15 minutes to heat up before using each time. I'm not sure it is worth spending so much money on my second vape. But all vapes locally are quite expensive so it's not a HUGE leap in price from $250-500 AUD etc. I also got the false impression that the 'Hydrology 9' might be a decent vape until doing heavier research recently, so I'm taking all the positive reviews of the Tafee Bowle with a grain of sand. I realise that the Hydrology 9 has a shittonne more issues than the Bowle but it still makes me nervous when I only hear reviewers/influencers saying good things about a product.

And yes we have been very lucky with Corona, only a thousand dead so far and 25,000 cases or something in Aus.. I'm in the music scene/industry though so the lack of cases don't mean much for us, we're still being treated like crap and loads of restrictions compared to sport and other industries. Considering leaving my career path to start over at 38.. urgh. At least vaccinations coming through this year.
Oh good I thought you had a been stuck with a dud.
I think the failure rate on the Bowle is pretty low from lack of complaints. I think you should feel safe to splash the cash but don't blame es me if it all goes to shit. What I can tell you is the TB is a nice upgrade coming from the EQ.
Australian consumer law is all nice and makes you feel protected by some imaginary big brother who can step in if you are being bullied by some mean international company, when in reality you would have to take them to court (which court, why would they care). If the company is outside the jurisdiction of the court the law is useless so you are on your own.
The grasshopper has a lifetime warranty and a lifetime of faults, have a look at the old thread. A long thread on FC means one of 2 things, awesome device or problems.
Don't know the hydrology 9???that says something if I've never heard of it.
My 2 cents, if you want a true portable get a Firewood 7, if you want around the house cordless get the TB
 

kimura

Well-Known Member
Just saying, there may be a few bugs and maybe you're not the cause?

yes, it seems that some units definitely have bugs. But my cutoffs have been few and far between, and always when I’m not looking. If it cuts off while I’m holding the button firmly, I’ll blame the puck.

believe it or not, I won’t go out of my way to stick up for this device. It is what it is
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Monkeytime, the only issue with POTV is that they won't offer any warranty support internationally.

Australian consumer law actually says this is illegal when dealing with Australian customers, but POTV don't seem to care about that.

If the unit had issues, according to their international returns policy, the victim of the faulty unit would have to pay return postage, at the very least.
They also say they won't even deal with international warranty (which again is against Australian consumer law - we need to return the item to the retailer, NOT the manufacturer) - they say to send to the company at own cost instead.

So, a very expensive device with a poor warranty, not great for anyone overseas.

I asked Tafee about local distribution but they ignored my email. Not a good company it seems.

No point quoting Australian law if the company isn't based in Australia. Irrelevant to them. Unfortunately when you buy from overseas distributors you have to expect different terms and conditions. Not at all unusual to have to pay return shipping and not really unusual to have to send back to the manufacturer not distributor.
It sucks you are getting the run around but POTV have just moved you a box, and it wouldn't be fair if they have to pay international shipping both ways because of a fault that was not their problem.
Goes with the territory being based in Aus and part of the risk we take early adopting from far away lands. You should have been in on the Grasshopper warranty rollercoaster, that was fun. I don't think you will have that sort of problem getting a working vape with Tafee, they haven't really had any other bad CS reports I know of.
Being on the other side of the world has benefits too, far less Corona (until very recently that is).

Yeah it's unfortunately a risk when you are buying things internationally, especially these vaporizers, when I was just entering the rabbit hole with my first arizer solo, it had arrived defective and malfunctioned on me in a bad way! They still had me pay for the return shipping to Canada so they could inspect the unit, before replacing it with a new one paying for that shipping back to me (they also had mistakenly sent me the old version, which I then had to send back to them again, so they could finally send me another new one). This was 7 years ago so yeah it has been quite typical and oftentimes what they will do to make up for it, is throw in free extras like the glass stems or in this case, potters or pots or stems or drinkware even?? So yeah point being I think the cost all kind of evens out, the customer service here is pretty responsive and they seem willing to discuss and work with you for your individual situation... FWIW I've heard of the H9 here, but yeah you are limited to what you can get in AUS so I would feel lucky you have an opportunity to get the TB personally (like FW7 is not even an option for you...) :2c::peace:
 

ChooChooCharlie

Well-Known Member
Bowle-screen-alternative.jpg

Stock Bowle pot screen on right (apologies to Tafée)

No cutoffs for a few days, on either unit. And I'm a steady, heavy user. Been surprised, honestly, but I've been zoning in on keeping a steady mid speed consistent draw, with "intention," during the first 3-4 seconds. After 3 seconds, draw as you please, even with brief interruptions, no problem. I've always gotten the mysterious, rare intermittent cutoff at 3 seconds into draw (IME caveat)
 

SouthernBear84

Active Member
Bowle-screen-alternative.jpg

Stock Bowle pot screen on right (apologies to Tafée)

No cutoffs for a few days, on either unit. And I'm a steady, heavy user. Been surprised, honestly, but I've been zoning in on keeping a steady mid speed consistent draw, with "intention," during the first 3-4 seconds. After 3 seconds, draw as you please, even with brief interruptions, no problem. I've always gotten the mysterious, rare intermittent cutoff at 3 seconds into draw (IME caveat)
Do I understand that the coarser screen is solving some of the mid draw cutoff?
 
SouthernBear84,

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Do I understand that the coarser screen is solving some of the mid draw cutoff?

And I also believe in his photo, the screen that comes with the Bowle is the more coarse screen, the other screens are finer... By the way! I do like coarse screens, because they tend to not clog up as quickly as a finer screen, though a finer screen doesn't let as much material through...
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Bowle-screen-alternative.jpg

Stock Bowle pot screen on right (apologies to Tafée)

No cutoffs for a few days, on either unit. And I'm a steady, heavy user. Been surprised, honestly, but I've been zoning in on keeping a steady mid speed consistent draw, with "intention," during the first 3-4 seconds. After 3 seconds, draw as you please, even with brief interruptions, no problem. I've always gotten the mysterious, rare intermittent cutoff at 3 seconds into draw (IME caveat)
The Bowle screen looks like it would allow more air flow. Any additional restriction using the finer screen?
 
His_Highness,

purepotstill

Well-Known Member
This device is intriguing. Don't think it's for me, but never sure, so I listed some pro/cons and other things to help. Please correct anything inaccurate.

Pros :
- At least as efficient as other top notch convection vape (think TM or P80)
- Maybe easier to use
- As tasty
- fresh vapour

Cons :
- Expensive, and more considering it's a made in China device
- Non replaceable battery

More subjective pro/cons :
- design (find it ugly, but to each is own)
- aluminum vapour path (+ silicone with the mouthpiece)
- more massive, takes more place

Am I good or did I make some mistakes ? If everything listed is right, seems it's not a vape for me, as non replaceable battery is a huge con, and I prefer glass for vapour path (and even air path when possible).
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
This device is intriguing. Don't think it's for me, but never sure, so I listed some pro/cons and other things to help. Please correct anything inaccurate.

Pros :
- At least as efficient as other top notch convection vape (think TM or P80)
- Maybe easier to use
- As tasty
- fresh vapour

Cons :
- Expensive, and more considering it's a made in China device
- Non replaceable battery

More subjective pro/cons :
- design (find it ugly, but to each is own)
- aluminum vapour path (+ silicone with the mouthpiece)
- more massive, takes more place

Am I good or did I make some mistakes ? If everything listed is right, seems it's not a vape for me, as non replaceable battery is a huge con, and I prefer glass for vapour path (and even air path when possible).
Here's a couple things that you left out:
- Can be made to hit hard or leisurely session.
- Vapor is ultra cool.
- Instantaneous draws-no waiting.
- Love the cup (This seems to be subjective as well....some folks think the design is wonky....until they buy it and use it).
- Stealth: Another subjective category. Some will say this device will be a hit at the BBQ/pool party because it looks like a high-end water bottle and some might say it normalizes the form factor eliminating the need for stealth. I like the stealth aspect.
- Customer service has been very good.
- Fully charges in about an hour.

Con: (Here's one you left out)
- Battery life (Mitigated somewhat by the fast charging).
 

purepotstill

Well-Known Member
Well, when I said efficient, I was thinking hard hitting, and I've listed the cool vapour. But I appreciate you completed my little list.

I don't really care about the stealth factor. I'm vaping at home 99% of the time (parties are rare with Covid...) and my friends are all joint smokers (US guys would say spliff smokers, but here everything you roll with paper and cannabis is a joint, baccy or not). The rare ones who don't smoke know me enough not to formalize about that.

For now I'm not in. I'm waiting for a TM and P80 to arrive. But if I find the vapour too hot with these, I might have another look at this vacup.
 

Vapefanatic

Well-Known Member
Well, when I said efficient, I was thinking hard hitting, and I've listed the cool vapour. But I appreciate you completed my little list.

I don't really care about the stealth factor. I'm vaping at home 99% of the time (parties are rare with Covid...) and my friends are all joint smokers (US guys would say spliff smokers, but here everything you roll with paper and cannabis is a joint, baccy or not). The rare ones who don't smoke know me enough not to formalize about that.

For now I'm not in. I'm waiting for a TM and P80 to arrive. But if I find the vapour too hot with these, I might have another look at this vacup.
Cool vapor when used dry is where TB shines the brightest imo. So if that's what you're after, I actually think it works better dry than TM. However, the TM is much more satisfying through water imo. If you rig it well for cooling with dry hits, I'm sure it'll also hit harder than TB.

Maybe TB will work even better with a WPA? Only time will tell I guess. Hope this helps somewhat.
 

ChooChooCharlie

Well-Known Member
The Bowle screen looks like it would allow more air flow. Any additional restriction using the finer screen?
I don't notice a draw difference with those extra fine screens. Looked on amazon again, bought a different set of 200 for $6.79, they look coarser in pics, I'll let you know

At these prices, I'd consider them a consumable item. Switch out every two weeks? Miniscule landfill footprint. Bonus: no cleaning saving iso, and/or water, especially hot water. I don't find the ceramic difficult keeping clean with regular firm q-tipping

And, there is value in the convenience, saving labor and time. How's that for a good old world of tomorrow attitude, with an environmental impact reversal?:myday:;)
 

SquirrelMaster

Well-Known Member
I'm using a small cup and large cup setup now and I'm surprised at how much I like the small cup when it's filled up. Having less water i.e. less weight gives a much nicer feel in hand. The shorter height contributes to the better feel as well I think. I love that the large holds more beverage but I may reach for the small more. Cooling between the 2 stem sizes seemed identical.
- Customer service has been very good.

Industry leading imo.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Well, when I said efficient, I was thinking hard hitting, and I've listed the cool vapour. But I appreciate you completed my little list.

I don't really care about the stealth factor. I'm vaping at home 99% of the time (parties are rare with Covid...) and my friends are all joint smokers (US guys would say spliff smokers, but here everything you roll with paper and cannabis is a joint, baccy or not). The rare ones who don't smoke know me enough not to formalize about that.

For now I'm not in. I'm waiting for a TM and P80 to arrive. But if I find the vapour too hot with these, I might have another look at this vacup.

Yeah sounds like you have no reason to jump in, I would also add, the temperature control range, both TM and TP80 go lower and higher than the TB can... Also regarding cool smooth vapor, you can achieve the same vapor effect using a nice j-hook with any of them regardless, but it is also directly related to the temperature control abilities too...

A key benefit of the Bowle for me is how it is a mass-produced, instant on demand pure convection temperature regulated device... Those other two are more handmade type pieces with wood, sure the style of the Bowle design may not be for everyone, but in use and just looking at it, feels like a very sleek industrial piece! And it's very simple to use!
 

condition

Well-Known Member
Battery capacity, need to stir, easy to clean and portability in general (like stealth or heavy weight/volume) are the main problems that portable vapes face today IMO.
TB has low battery capacity and its difficult to carry outside but apart from being very easy to clean it is also very easy and fast to use with exceptional taste and effectiveness. I would also like possibility to buy extra stem.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
i got a nice picture from the inside a Bowle and I thought it would be interesting for everyone to see.
if it's already posted here, sorry for that. i didnt made the picture myself and i didnt open my tafee! ;)
I received it from @btka Thx for that

I've replaced the non-replaceable batteries in my Solo's with a battery pack sold on Amazon a couple times....this looks just as easy if not easier.

If needed.....I hope it works out like the Solo .... replaced with a more powerful battery pack AFTER the warranty is over. My Solo's actually worked better than new. Time will tell.....but the design looks simple enough.
 

arb

Semi shaved ape
I've replaced the non-replaceable batteries in my Solo's with a battery pack sold on Amazon a couple times....this looks just as easy if not easier.

If needed.....I hope it works out like the Solo .... replaced with a more powerful battery pack AFTER the warranty is over. My Solo's actually worked better than new. Time will tell.....but the design looks simple enough.
Yes that is a very easy swap,anyone pull it out and see what the writing says?
 

cliffhanger1

Well-Known Member
I've replaced the non-replaceable batteries in my Solo's with a battery pack sold on Amazon a couple times....this looks just as easy if not easier.

If needed.....I hope it works out like the Solo .... replaced with a more powerful battery pack AFTER the warranty is over. My Solo's actually worked better than new. Time will tell.....but the design looks simple enough.
yes i thought the same. it seems to be easy to change the battery yourself after warranty is ending :)

Edit:
after about 3 weeks with the Bowle i must say that i like it more than the beginning. and i loved it at the beginning too. lol
i love it more than the TM which is good too :)
 
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