junny89
Well-Known Member
Oh shit that’s so dirty already. How many bowls have you had?!
AirVape legacy
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mulciber
Member
Just received. My initial surprises — hope you'll find useful. "Airpath filter" appeared to be sort of rammed in, possibly misshapen. It was fine, but learned that removing/installing this piece is a clumsy pain. Second, although the micro-basket appeared to fit perfectly, I tried that first, and was mystified. Even at the highest temperatures I was getting zip. Just nothing. Took away the basket and tried without — hits like a howitzer. Truly in its own class. So the micro-basket seems especially poorly thought-out, from my experience and all reports. Last of my first impressions: I seem to have somehow, in playing around with the buttons, turned off the haptic feedback. I didn't think that was possible. I dropped CS a note, but if anyone knows, advice is welcome. Overall assessment: be prepared for surprises; ultimately, hits extremely effectively and seems like it's going to sort out as a success overall.
hinglemccringleberry
Well-Known Member
I'm a bit confused about something. Is the airpath accessible for full cleaning? I think the Airvape demo video showed a glass tube that is removable. Thats cool, but what about the rest of the pathway? Is it all accessible for iso swabbing etc?
junny89
Well-Known Member
Ahh that’s a shame. I hate vapes that involve such cleaning, such as that square pro. That disc is going to be such a pain!
Do they at least provide any tools ?
Has anyone cleaned theirs yet ? Is it easy and like above can you get to the air path fully
mulciber
Member
There are a few too many silicone gaskets imo, and they'll require attention at least once/week. The airpath intake will always be a bit less than perfect because of difficulty accessing it. Most of it is much easier. I think they've got a reasonably descriptive Youtube on it.
Slade
Member
I tried the basket too. I kept turning up the temperature and got nothing. Even though it fit, it's useless....except as a strainer in a sink with an extremely small drain.
Okla68
Well-Known Member
Wow, my lid/foor will Not shut completely with the basket I have...grrrrr!!!
jbm
Well-Known Member
Thanks! And when you have the basket in, the door shuts completely over it? It seals the same as with no basket?
PPN
Volute of Vapor
I'm not fan to clean devices but I didn't had any issue to clean my Square pro cause it doesn't need cleaning except than a deep cleaning once a month if you use it heavily and 2-4 times per year for light use. For the regular cleaning I only use a brush and the loading tray. Can't wait for my Legacy, it's a good new since first feedbacks are nice about how it performs... although Usps seems pretty slow atm (I'm awaiting something else which seems to slowly moving in the usa... but I'm in EU, wait). Have fun!
Okla68
Well-Known Member
With the basket IN the lid likes about a mm completely Closing, even Squeezing it. Thought it was the height of the basket, sorta came to a point, flattend it, Same, Nothing. Not even a Hint of vapor. Sign of Air Leak !! When I finish this bowl Ill look at it again, if im not too toasted !
And....to those that Also have the Ghost...do you think the Legacy produces as much Flavor as the Ghost ? I Dont think so, Opinions ?
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floribud
Well-Known Member
After a day and a half with the Legacy, I'm pretty sure I'm selling the Ghost (although it does look cool sitting on the shelf). I find the flavor out of the Legacy to be almost exactly like the Ghost, except that, no matter what I do, with my Ghost, I start tasting charring at the end of the 2 or 3 hit. Okla, I know you've modded your heatsink a bit and the Ghost works well for you, but, at least with my specific Ghost, I never got it figured out.
With the Legacy, I get to about hit 6 or 7 hits before I taste char, and if I do taste char, I open it up and see that the there is no "green" left, the bowl is spent.
As far as even roasting goes. I think the Legacy is way better than the Ghost. I have not put it above 350. I've been leaving it at 325-350 and I love the way it rips through a bowl.
My first sesh with the Legacy, I set it on 350 in session mode. I ground up about .15g of Sherbert. Sherbert is one of my favorite tasting strains and this batch I have is my current favorite "daytime" strain. Only 14%. I usually pack about the same in my Splinter, set the wattage fairly low, and just kind of sip away and enjoy the flavor. It's my version of a coffee break. I usually do that if I'm cooking, doing housework, or some tedious computer task that doesn't require a lot of deep thought. However, with the Legacy, I had 3 hits at 350º, stirred the bowl, then had 4 more. Started to taste char on 7 so I stopped and looked at the ABV. It was evenly dark dark brown, with just a little charring at the bottom. The bowl was 100% spent in my book. About 5 minutes later, the Sherbert really hit me and I had to lay down for a while. I had never gotten that effect from a bowl of Sherbert.
I've often wished I could stir the Ghost, but it's just not possible with the capsule design. That Legacy does a pretty decent job with no stir. I won't have any "green" left at the end of the bowl, but it will be uneven. That's why one stir after the 3d bowl seems to work just about perfectly for me.
Right now I see the Legacy as kind of combining the best of the Firefly and the Ghost. The form factor is like the Firefly (except heavier and the lid has a hinge). But the flavor to me seems more like the first hit of the Ghost. The difference being hits 2 through 5 are basically just as good.
Compared to the Firefly 2+: To get the same performance out of the Firefly I'd have to set it to 420 or higher. 5-8 second draws will produce dense vapor from the Legacy. The Firefly can sort of do that >420º but it still needs slightly longer hits and you need to stir after every draw. The Legacy does not quite have the flavor of the FF, but it really makes up for it with dense vapor that is also well cooled. Really, to me it's on par with the Ghost.
Just had a couple more bowls... 1 mint chip and 1 Eight Horses White CBG. Btw I love mixing CBG and regular flower during the day, and I highly recommend mixing your favorite GSC phenotype with a good CBG hemp flower, it really is perfect if you're just doing something "fun" during the day like re-organizing the house for the 4th time in 4 months because you keep trying to "Optimize" your house because you're now spending way too much damn time in it. But anyway one of the things I like about on-demand vapes is the ability to breath through the cool-down. When you use a session vape you are getting a constant temperature. With the Legacy (or even the Ghost and Firefly) you can breathe through the warm-up and the cool-down phases. To me, the vapor changes flavors during each phase so it keeps it a bit more interesting... you notice different terps during the up and down. I really things the Legacy excels at this. With many on-demand vapes you really feel and taste the vapor more during the cool-down phase and the Legacy is great for this. With more handcrafty vapes like RBT stuff the cooldown phase can hit you really hard in the throat, not so with the Legacy, it's really a lot like the Ghost, lots of flavor, but really easy to avoid a coughing fit ... although with its one minute max hit time in on-demand mode, the Legacy can knock you right away if you want it to...but I really don't know why you would want to unless you're making a video to show off your "big clouds".
Also I use a coarse grind with my BCG, which I think is perfect for this beast. Don't tamp it, that's for conduction. Fill just to the brim and the top seal will push the flower down just enough.
Anyway, the Legacy might be my favorite thing right now... it also charges with he Qi wireless charger I already have next to my bed for my phone. If this thing proves reliable over the long-haul, Airvape may have just created a challenger to the Mighty.
| Cons | Things to watch out for | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Easy access to bowl for load and stir | Still needs a stir for max extraction | not sure how easy it is going to be to clean the non-removable parts of the airpath | |
| Great flavor | not the easiest thing to fill, very small path to the airway, easy to drop flower in it | 18650 difficult to remove without also removing glass airpath. Since airpath held in by silicon friction, will frequent removal affect longevity | |
| full vapor | on-board stir tool hard to remove, easy to knock flower out of bowl while removing tool | Seems to get pretty warm right over the bowl. So far it's been fine for 1 or 2 users. Might not be the best to pass around in that party situation | |
| 1 stir to achieve most even roasting | really needs a loading tool, this is perfect https://delta3dstudios.com/scoop-n-poke-vape-tool/ | ||
| wireless charging or USB C charging | |||
| removable glass airpath | |||
| 18650 | |||
| on-board stir tool | |||
| minimal draw resistance | |||
| on-demand mode preserves battery life since there's only one 18650 onboard. Pretty good battery life |
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Okla68
Well-Known Member
Nice review ! Spot On !!
Had to breakout a newly charged battery for my Silver Bullet(OG Nickle Ghost) and filled a Crucible with Home Grown Jack Herer....TASTE NIRVANA !!!!
Ive put 20+ bowls thru my Legacy and None have come close ! Been running it at 392°F...my Ghost is set at 220°F. I normally get 3 taste treats, the 1st being best of course, not looking for Huge Clouds, but, Taste and Effect...I the Rotate the Crucible 180° and get 2-3 more hits(no stirring) then cash it. I get Mire visible vapor from the Legacy, but, the Terpene rich flavor from the Ghost Out Does it, IMO. Now the Lack of Vapor from the Ghost is one of the reasons for VAS(YEA, RIGHT, LOL)!!
KIMOSABE.....After bending and reshaping the basket, I got mine to work SOME !!!
Not into microdosing anyway !
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They did credit my refund the day after my request to cancel and after reading more info and seeing pics since then I'm still glad I cancelled.
mulciber
Member
The more hours I spend with the Legacy, and the more I learn about the way it operates, the more enthusiastic I'm becoming. That should be encouraging to those still waiting for theirs. Things that I didn't get at first now appear to be very thoughtful and effective, and the device delivers well beyond my expectations.
However, from what I'm reading and my own experience, the micro-dosing bowl appears to be a complete fail. Considering how well the rest of it comes together, this is surprising. Has anyone had any success with it? Tips? Thanks.
However, from what I'm reading and my own experience, the micro-dosing bowl appears to be a complete fail. Considering how well the rest of it comes together, this is surprising. Has anyone had any success with it? Tips? Thanks.
Kimosabe
Educator/Cannabis Evangelist
Received mine last eve.
Impressive. Not pure convection, hybrid like S&B Crafty+. The proof of this lies in the the fact that the basket, when properly shaped, does not work! no extraction because the conduction contribution has been removed by the mesh and air cells it creates.
On demand + session operation
fit and finish superb
heat up time as advertised
I wrote the below yesterday, but i'll be redundant here
I was able to get the gold basket to fit, but do not bother.
First, I measured the OD of the dispersion disc that enters chamber upon closure. There was clearance between the basket ID and the disk OD, meaning it was not the top ring of the basket at fault, Close examination revealed the problem is the SHAPE of the baskets; they are too tall. Using hemostats to spread the wire mesh basket outward to conform to the chamber geometry more closely did the trick.
So why do I say do not bother. When the flower is in the basket it doesn't make contact with the hot walls of the chamber. Thus, the basket does provide 100% convection heating by holding all product away from contacting any hot surface.
ON DEMAND ISSUES: I cannot get the unit to operate properly in on-demand mode. at first, it reaches temp in 5 sec on the display but is not hot. I release, press again, temp rises and display looks good, but then temp continues tor rise to combustion despite digital display misreading setpoint not true run-away temp. I can 'feather; the switch and make it an art, but am I the only one with this issue?.
Impressive. Not pure convection, hybrid like S&B Crafty+. The proof of this lies in the the fact that the basket, when properly shaped, does not work! no extraction because the conduction contribution has been removed by the mesh and air cells it creates.
On demand + session operation
fit and finish superb
heat up time as advertised
I wrote the below yesterday, but i'll be redundant here
I was able to get the gold basket to fit, but do not bother.
First, I measured the OD of the dispersion disc that enters chamber upon closure. There was clearance between the basket ID and the disk OD, meaning it was not the top ring of the basket at fault, Close examination revealed the problem is the SHAPE of the baskets; they are too tall. Using hemostats to spread the wire mesh basket outward to conform to the chamber geometry more closely did the trick.
So why do I say do not bother. When the flower is in the basket it doesn't make contact with the hot walls of the chamber. Thus, the basket does provide 100% convection heating by holding all product away from contacting any hot surface.
ON DEMAND ISSUES: I cannot get the unit to operate properly in on-demand mode. at first, it reaches temp in 5 sec on the display but is not hot. I release, press again, temp rises and display looks good, but then temp continues tor rise to combustion despite digital display misreading setpoint not true run-away temp. I can 'feather; the switch and make it an art, but am I the only one with this issue?.
lauri melissa
Happy Fairy
I have had the Legacy for over a week, now. This may be a cleaning challenge but, not too bad. I only wonder if the disc is removable from the door for cleaning? Otherwise, the tool is handy to remove the filter screen but you really have to apply some muscle to it. Temperature wise, Whoa Nelly!! I can start at 355F and go up-to 372F and get what I need without charring. I have tried a variety of strains and various temps for extraction. This is a great vaporizer. I truly love convection and this may be the one. There are some flaws, such as the bowl reducer being ill-fitting and not able to function. By and by, pretty good start. The results are definitely inspirational and effective. I like it......this could be a love affair.
Kimosabe
Educator/Cannabis Evangelist
link to photo of basket approximating chamber shape after expanding diameter and compressing height.
Forgive me, I could not get TurboImageHost to cooperate from multiple devices on multiple days.
These are alternative links to pics:
reshapen basket
flush fit
Forgive me, I could not get TurboImageHost to cooperate from multiple devices on multiple days.
These are alternative links to pics:
reshapen basket
flush fit
hinglemccringleberry
Well-Known Member
So you're getting pretty much ZERO vapor and extraction from herb when using the reducer basket? And it pumps out vapor when not using the basket? That would mean this vape is all conduction and not really even a hybrid, right?
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
... Unless the issue is an air seal gap as others were describing that would also kill vapor production for a convection unit...
mulciber
Member
I respectfully disagree with your assessment on this point. Though we've yet to see a teardown of this device, my take on why you get nothing when using the basket is that the seal is breached. OTOH, I have noted that without using the basket, when I kill the heat the vapor vanishes in under a second, suggesting that conductive heat plays little or no part.
It's my opinion — and again we're working without the best evidence here — that their promise of full convection is fully legitimate.
Kimosabe
Educator/Cannabis Evangelist
Mulciber, we are going to have to disagree on this one: pure convection quires a thermally isolated chamber or bowl. Touch the bowl in the crafty during operation - nearly as hot as the load. Touch the bowl on the Legacy - same effect. I assure you the seal in my unit after modifying the basket is 100% tight when holding the lid down. The photo proves this - with all due respect, did you look? The pressure plate has a bevel on it to form a metal-metal seal. The basket, as shown in the photo here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/UVcxG6bXF1QDw1qP7 A second proof lies in the fact that some report their basket did fit, and yet the "does nothing" complaint persists. Thirdly, you can feel the air escaping through the vent the (intake screen at the bottom of the unit) when you blow into the mouthpiece while holding the door closed equally with and without the basket in place once the shape of the basket closely approximates the oven compartment. This proves the air-path is intact in my case.
While the unit performs like a convection vape, in that it takes a few draws to get it going, this is the case with all of the S&B vaporizers, which are known to be of hybrid type.
As far as the quality of the vapor, this is the most versatile portable I own; with proper use and care, including brushing that vapor tube clean, it is capable of holding its own against any portable I own. Speaking of cleaning, the perforated cribiform silicone glass tube endcap is permeable to alcohol. swab and blow through with compressed air. If the unit is not cleaned between every use, it will not produce tasty vape with every draw. Despite gripes to the contrary, it is easy to clean and everything in the internal chamber pops out with a yank on a nylon battery strap. This is a non-starter, IMHO.
The overheating on demand problem: It appears to be a software glitch, If I heat up in steps, releasing the firing button a few times on the heat cycle, the unit will maintain temperature without combusting the contents. If I do not release even once = no heat at all. One release = overshoot if held down, multiple firing button releases (3) as the temp rises seems to circumvent the problem.
The vapor is as tasty as any other vape I own including the SuperSurfer and MV1. The battery lasts forever.
Extremely satisfied, could not ask for more.
Certainly, this will make a splash in the community with its radical design and elegant looks.
Had Airvape wrote us all and said, " we have a slight design issue delaying release... in an effort to ensure you receive the best product possible, we ask for your patience while we fine tune our creation. As a gesture of cooperation and compromise, you will be receiving a free wooden mouthpiece"
That mouthpiece could not cost more that a quarter dollar to make. That is the way an Apple would handle this.
Finally, I suspect that if the microdosing capsules were in full contact with the hot chamber walls, a la S&B, the reducer would work, and I reiterate, if the machine was pure convection, the basket would work in an intact airpath. Alas, it does not and you should perform your own surgery on your basket with hemostats because seeing is believing.
ADDENDUM: I have succeeded at getting the basket to work and it is awesome....
The secret? Because the basket eliminates sidewall contact, assuming I am correct re: hybrid, I ran an experiment: Use 428F as the set point and go on demand to see if I get anything; boy, did I ever! Just as I approached 428 on the display the herb vaporized in the basket and hit like a ton of bricks.
So again, to shape my basket correctly, I used hemostats (a surgical clamp) which I spread inside the basket to re-form its incorrect shape. When I was done, I flattened the bottom and ensured the metal jacket of the basket would fully seat in the oven chamber. Set to 438 and hilding the door closed to be sure, it will work. The herb is not at 428, but there is enough heat within the chamber as a combination of heated air and radiation to reach vaporization temp without combustion.
While the unit performs like a convection vape, in that it takes a few draws to get it going, this is the case with all of the S&B vaporizers, which are known to be of hybrid type.
As far as the quality of the vapor, this is the most versatile portable I own; with proper use and care, including brushing that vapor tube clean, it is capable of holding its own against any portable I own. Speaking of cleaning, the perforated cribiform silicone glass tube endcap is permeable to alcohol. swab and blow through with compressed air. If the unit is not cleaned between every use, it will not produce tasty vape with every draw. Despite gripes to the contrary, it is easy to clean and everything in the internal chamber pops out with a yank on a nylon battery strap. This is a non-starter, IMHO.
The overheating on demand problem: It appears to be a software glitch, If I heat up in steps, releasing the firing button a few times on the heat cycle, the unit will maintain temperature without combusting the contents. If I do not release even once = no heat at all. One release = overshoot if held down, multiple firing button releases (3) as the temp rises seems to circumvent the problem.
The vapor is as tasty as any other vape I own including the SuperSurfer and MV1. The battery lasts forever.
Extremely satisfied, could not ask for more.
Certainly, this will make a splash in the community with its radical design and elegant looks.
Had Airvape wrote us all and said, " we have a slight design issue delaying release... in an effort to ensure you receive the best product possible, we ask for your patience while we fine tune our creation. As a gesture of cooperation and compromise, you will be receiving a free wooden mouthpiece"
That mouthpiece could not cost more that a quarter dollar to make. That is the way an Apple would handle this.
Finally, I suspect that if the microdosing capsules were in full contact with the hot chamber walls, a la S&B, the reducer would work, and I reiterate, if the machine was pure convection, the basket would work in an intact airpath. Alas, it does not and you should perform your own surgery on your basket with hemostats because seeing is believing.
ADDENDUM: I have succeeded at getting the basket to work and it is awesome....
The secret? Because the basket eliminates sidewall contact, assuming I am correct re: hybrid, I ran an experiment: Use 428F as the set point and go on demand to see if I get anything; boy, did I ever! Just as I approached 428 on the display the herb vaporized in the basket and hit like a ton of bricks.
So again, to shape my basket correctly, I used hemostats (a surgical clamp) which I spread inside the basket to re-form its incorrect shape. When I was done, I flattened the bottom and ensured the metal jacket of the basket would fully seat in the oven chamber. Set to 438 and hilding the door closed to be sure, it will work. The herb is not at 428, but there is enough heat within the chamber as a combination of heated air and radiation to reach vaporization temp without combustion.
LabPong
Well-Known Member
Tiny Might is calling you bro! (i have 3 of them now...)