Discontinued Healthy Rips FIERCE

MonkeyTime

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Quite a few people commented on this problem before @ohmygodimsohigh made his review.

So the Fierce cannot be left on charge overnight?
Not for me if I cannot leave it unattended...

I agree I noticed pretty quickly, there was that much of a difference from my F2.

I also remember a few people taking about the batteries swelling, I was one of them that had one.

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It was one of the three I got with my pre-order/bundle, it happened in the charging stand within the first week.

It hasn't been used since, it wouldn't fit if I tried to force it!

*Edit - @lordtinuviel , I forgot to mention my two working batteries have always been very snug, they create a small vacuum when removing them. That's been since day one and they look and feel like there's no swelling. It could also be first run manufacturing inconsistencies at blame?
 
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OF

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It was one of the three I got with my pre-order/bundle, it happened in the charging stand within the first week.

It hasn't been used since, it wouldn't fit if I tried to force it!

*Edit - @lordtinuviel , I forgot to mention my two working batteries have always been very snug, they create a small vacuum when removing them. That's been since day one and they look and feel like there's no swelling. It could also be first run manufacturing inconsistencies at blame?

For sure they can be defective/fail on their own. Here, that same charger didn't kill a second one? For sure don't use misshapen cells, even if they still fit. Dangerous ground.

I think it's probably random, not related to being 'first issue'. The cell at the heart of it is no doubt a standard cell already in production just put in a new package? Then again (nearly) anything is possible these days it seems.

The important part is to not be scared off by the idea that every FIERCE is a potential battery killer if you charge overnight?

BTW, be careful of how you dispose of the guy, there's a seriously dangerous amount of energy stored there (which is, of course, why it's used....).

Weekend regards to all.

OF
 

SitOne

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I agree I noticed pretty quickly, there was that much of a difference from my F2.

I also remember a few people taking about the batteries swelling, I was one of them that had one.

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It was one of the three I got with my pre-order/bundle, it happened in the charging stand within the first week.

It hasn't been used since, it wouldn't fit if I tried to force it!

*Edit - @lordtinuviel , I forgot to mention my two working batteries have always been very snug, they create a small vacuum when removing them. That's been since day one and they look and feel like there's no swelling. It could also be first run manufacturing inconsistencies at blame?


Hi there, I'm pretty new on the forum but get in here searching for someone with the same problem: seeing the picture here above, I can say I found one.
Absolutely the same problem, not even an year of use, charging the batteries on the stand, both batteries from the initial bundle.

How quick is the customer support answering? Cause I send an email bout 3 days ago and not a single reply. And the problem is I really can't phone, seems like my phone doesn't support International calling or something like that...

I'm really disappointed about that: they were really quick to reply when there was the FIERCE order, answering even in an hour... now, seems like, well dunno...
 
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fareast

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Hi there, I'm pretty new on the forum but get in here searching for someone with the same problem: seeing the picture here above, I can say I found one.
Absolutely the same problem, not even an year of use, charging the batteries on the stand, both batteries from the initial bundle.

How quick is the customer support answering? Cause I send an email bout 3 days ago and not a single reply. And the problem is I really can't phone, seems like my phone doesn't support International calling or something like that...

I'm really disappointed about that: they were really quick to reply when there was the FIERCE order, answering even in an hour... now, seems like, well dunno...

Monday was a holiday in the US and the weekend before it probably explains the rest of the delay in getting back to you.
 

SitOne

New Member
Monday was a holiday in the US and the weekend before it probably explains the rest of the delay in getting back to you.

Ups, I didn't know that was holiday on Monday... so sorry to get the delay wrong :\

Btw, i forgot to mention another issue with the FIERCE: back from holidays, I noticed that it takes more time to get on temperature... up to 30 sec for a set temp of 356°F: quit a long time.
Does this happen to someone else too? I'm not using my FIERCE at the moment cause of the swollen battery and this temperature/time issue (I've another battery, but don't want to have it ruined...) but I'd like to know if it is something common or not...


*Edit - @lordtinuviel , I forgot to mention my two working batteries have always been very snug, they create a small vacuum when removing them. That's been since day one and they look and feel like there's no swelling. It could also be first run manufacturing inconsistencies at blame?

Mine too, but i didn't think that was a problem... is it? :huh:
 
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fareast

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Just wanted to add my experiences with the Fierce here for anyone who might be thinking about buying one.

I own a Fury 2 and have really enjoyed using it for the past 9 months. Before getting my Fierce, I'd previously owned a G Pen Pro (a lesson learned), a Davinci IQ and a Fury 2. But it wasn't until I got my Fury 2 that I made a complete break with combustion. So, mark me down as a big Fury 2 fan.

I wasn't looking to buy a Fierce, but long story short, I ended up with one in a package deal that included a Fury 2 and a Fierce, both very lightly used. My real interest in the deal was helping a friend get a Fury 2 at a good price. Based on the initial issues and the points made by various reviewers, I didn't have big expectations for the Fierce. Still, I was looking forward to trying it, but I fully expected that I'd shortly be selling it in order to reduce my overall out-of-pocket cost.

But I ended up really liking the Fierce.

OK, it's not a perfect vape and it's not without some quirks. The biggest negative probably is that its temperature management seems erratic. Battery life also has been a bit of a puzzle for me. More about those in a bit.

Apart from the demerits, I've thoroughly enjoyed using the Fierce, even though I usually partake alone and it's really a vape that is going to work best for at least two (and can comfortably handle four, assuming moderate tolerances). I've found several techniques to make it a very good solo experience, the simplest being to only fill the chamber about halfway. But using the straight glass mouthpiece or the water piece adapter is even better.

My favorite approach is to mostly fill a dosing capsule, pop that into the chamber and then attach the straight glass mouthpiece. The glass won't slide down into the chamber since the capsule blocks its entry, but the bottom of the glass rests on the top of the capsule just fine. As a bonus, this configuration exposes more of the glass up top, which seems more comfortable. That additional length also provides a bit more cooling.

In fact, the mouthpiece adapter and the glass mouthpieces are, in my opinion, essential add-ons. There's nothing wrong with the stock mouthpiece, and I'll happily use it when I'm mobile, but the experience is markedly better with either the straight glass or the WPA glass, which I usually use with Sneaky Pete's Little Bandit.

FWIW, I also have the bent glass mouthpiece, but I've stowed it away because it looks much more breakable than the others. Note that that's more a reflection of my clumsiness than anything to do with the Fierce or its design.

While the Fierce is not the best-tasting vape I've experienced. I do think the taste is a big strength. The first couple hits on a fresh load at 380F are tasty, but not mind-blowing. Where the taste of the Fierce stands apart from most other vapes I've used is that the taste doesn't really deteriorate much at all, even to the end of the load. As a result, it's not absolutely necessary to finish a bowl in one session. About 25 percent of the time, I'll take five or six nice, big hits, power down, and then go get another five or six from the same load an hour or two later. This approach seems to work best using a dosing capsule in the chamber and one of the glass mouthpieces.

The fact is, I have better on-demand vape options -- a Dynavap M 2019 and a HydraVong XL -- but it's nice that the Fierce can be used that way, too.

The other thing I really like about the Fierce is its physical design. While the Fury 2 is brilliantly small and stealth, it feels like a stubby prehistoric mobile pager. The Fierce is completely the opposite. The design is clean and sleek, particularly when using the adapter for the glass mouthpieces. In the right light and at the right angle, the Fierce looks like something that was designed by the Bang & Olufsen crew in Denmark, circa 1990. And I also really like the way it feels in my hands, which are probably a bit larger than the average dude's hands. It just feels perfectly natural how my palm and thumb wrap around the body.

So, back to the negatives. The Fierce, or at least the one I have, seems deceptive about the current temperature. If I power on and set it to 380, it will heat up for about 40 seconds and then I get the haptic vibe, signaling that it's ready. Yes, the display shows 380, but if I check the actual temperature (by clicking up or down on the target temp buttons), the Fierce reveals the actual temp, which is usually around 365.

What appears to be happening is that the Fierce ratchets up the heater until it gets to the 40-second mark and it just gives up but indicates that it's reached the target. Obviously this is less than ideal, but I've found a fairly simple workaround is to aim for a higher start-up temp (for a higher temp it heats up longer before notification) and then back it down to where I want to be before taking my first hit. But it's really important to not forget to drop down, or the load will vape fast and furious.

I've also experienced the Fierce's temperature taking a big nosedive (20 degrees F) after large hits, but since I'm usually soloing it's not a big problem for me. And even when I want to hit it quickly again, it will usually get back to the target temp within 10 seconds.

Clearly the Fierce's temperature management could be much better, but I've learned to live with it. The other positives balance out the overall experience.

On the battery, I find that when I'm recharging it takes a LONG time for the Fierce to fill up all the battery level bars on the display. Eventually, it will show all the bars but the top one. But if I disconnect the USB cable and press the power button once, it shows all the battery bars, indicating a full charge.

Now, I suspect that this behavior may be related to the fact my Fierce was previously owned. When I received the Fierce, the battery had no charge at all. From what I've read, allowing this type of battery to drain all the way down causes permanent damage, and I think the difficulty in regaining a full charge is a consequence of that issue. Rather than worry too much about this, I'll just nab a spare battery at some point.

All in all, I'm very happy with my Fierce. It's not my daily driver, largely because it works best for groups. I also own a Davinci IQ, which also isn't ideal for solo sessions. Because I mostly vape on my own, it really doesn't make much sense for me to have two "group" vapes. So, I'm likely going to sell one of them, and as it stands at the moment, it's the IQ that will be departing.
 
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LesPlenty

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Oh well, that just leaves the suspect battery as being a cause maybe, unless this is normal for the Fierce?
 
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justcametomind

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I used the Fierce quite a lot and came to a conclusion. I don't like the taste of it when used with the stock mouthpiece. Unfortunately, that's how I use it the most, but I can live with it. The best use-scenario is on a week end trip. Having a Fierce with a spare loaded battery is like having two Mightys that's more than enough for me. Flavor could be better.
I read in this post that HR shipped a new unit if one had bought it recently without getting the last updated unit? I bought it in July/August directly from HR.
 

Solomon

Talk to the Beard
Yep, I checked this with the seller. It was actually a review model and was updated in the course of that process.

Regardless of what the seller told you, It sounds like the old firmware on an original model. (IMHO, it has to be more than coincidence that the 2 issues you mention were the specific issues that were fixed.)

I have experience with 2 new model/firmware Fierce units and neither has the temp issue you mentioned (when my Fierce heats to 380 and you hit temp-change, it says 380), and no matter how hard you draw, temp is maintained. Before buying my unit, I noted these 2 issues cause they were mentioned on the forum, and was happy it was fixed.

I'd recommend sending your unit into HR to be sure it's operating properly.
 

fareast

Well-Known Member
Regardless of what the seller told you, It sounds like the old firmware on an original model. (IMHO, it has to be more than coincidence that the 2 issues you mention were the specific issues that were fixed.)

I have experience with 2 new model/firmware Fierce units and neither has the temp issue you mentioned (when my Fierce heats to 380 and you hit temp-change, it says 380), and no matter how hard you draw, temp is maintained. Before buying my unit, I noted these 2 issues cause they were mentioned on the forum, and was happy it was fixed.

I'd recommend sending your unit into HR to be sure it's operating properly.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check into this.
 

SixStringToker

Naked member
I purchased a second Fierce from HR fairly recently and it also suffers from big temperature drops when doing harder draws. The last draw that I did on it was with it set to 395° F; I hit the temp increase button a few times as I was nearing the end of the draw and saw that it was actually down to 360°. While definitely better than my first one, that's still pretty awful.

If I start a hit while the oven temp is climbing to a new temperature setting, it will continue to climb (albeit more slowly), so it's definitely not a limitation of the heater. It just seems to react way too slowly to temperature drops. I've noticed this to a much lesser extent on the Edge as well as a couple other vapes from the same factory. 'Can't help but wonder if this is why they all hide the actual temperature during normal operation and only display the "set" temperature.
 
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VivaVape

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Hello fellow FCers, we have all heard that vaping oils with the added chemicals they contain is having a terrible effect on the people that regularly smoke it. All the information that I have found on vaping weed is a healthier way to smoke than non-vaping; Right? I have also read that Healthy Rips has made a vape with a stainless steel heating element instead of what they usually use for people that are more sensitive to the vapor that the regular vapes are producing. My second question is wouldn’t we all want a vape that produces less harsh vapor? And if that’s true doesn’t that make this vape a better vape than the original? Thanks in advance for your answers.
 
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fareast

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Hello fellow FCers, we have all heard that vaping oils with the added chemicals they contain is having a terrible effect on the people that regularly smoke it. All the information that I have found on vaping weed is a healthier way to smoke than non-vaping; Right? I have also read that Healthy Rips has made a vape with a stainless steel heating element instead of what they usually use for people that are more sensitive to the vapor that the regular vapes are producing. My second question is wouldn’t we all want a vape that produces less harsh vapor? And if that’s true doesn’t that make this vape a better vape than the original? Thanks in advance for your answers.

You seem to maybe be mixing up prefilled concentrate vape pens and herb vaporizers. The issue with recent respiratory illness caused by vapes relates to what appear to be "illegal market" prefilled concentrate vape pens where the thinning agent contained harmful substances.

Herb vaporizers are a different thing altogether and as long as the vapor path is free of harmful materials (such as plastics that can de-gas) you really only need to worry about the quality of the herb.

There are many, many vapes that provide good flavor without harsh effects. The Fierce is one (that I own), but when it comes to herb vapes, you're really spoiled for all the good choices you have.
 

John Coaltrain

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. . . on our next production run, we are changing our FIERCE heating coil to stainless steel in order to accommodate our most sensitive clients. If you feel that you are sensitive to the FIERCE coil, please contact us: healthyrips@gmail.com. We want all of our clients to be 100% satisfied and confident that they have the best vaporizer available.

Sincerely,
Teece - Healthy Rips Team

Any updates on this production run?

Still no updates – or have I missed the announcement?
 
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zippy

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Having had it since it came out I think I may well send it back now , I did not know nickel was involved , maybe i missed that info orig.. I have a nickel allergy lol .. I also documented early on about temp drop with some videos , thought I wait till others reported back with feedback from updated units.. So healthy rips do I contact via email and send back and get a stainless heater ? I quite like using the fierce for micro dosing with a bong , mainly when I not fancy subbing ...
 
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