Underdog Log Vapes

[underdog]

Happy Friday everyone! I don't know about you guys but this Dog is definitely looking forward to the weekend!

Looks like the rain has finally stopped here in NorCal so I'll be able to climb over the sandbags and get into the shop and clear out the flooded water (hopefully before it turns into an ice skating rink with tonights freezing temps lol. If not I'll learn to work in skates if need be.

Great, thank you, Underdog. I now better understand the reasoning behind it. Might not agree but understand better .

Im buying on price, efficiency, durability yes. I think reasoning behind price for many people is that it is a hard to justify expense even when all advantages are there. I did my research, therfor know a log vape is a good investment rather then spend and keep spending on other or more portable vapes that lack of this or that.. anything handcrafted is also a good investment to me, personally.

It does seem as though your Micro does have a good value and reputation. congrats! if you were to include tube and power supply, it could possibly be a great entry level log vape I think. It could also possibly encourage owners to invest in a "big" dog prior to their Micro needing service or when/if it finally fails.

I do respect your business decisions, it is suggestions / constructive feedback having abit of pr & communications experience in my background. to me saying, look - but you cant have - is a big no, no. I know your website indicates it is for current customers only ; perhaps keeping a database and sending to Customers Only when Available is another constructive idea to help keep present & new clients happy. It is a lost of time / joy/ happiness & false hope, when seeing the price of Micro, to click on it and realize its not for you!

makes it sound as though you prefer people owning a fullsize log so that when/if their Micro craps out, they are easier to deal with being they have a Full Log to rely on...

Sincerly,
Philip

Thanks for the insights on your feelings regarding the Mini/Micro, I really do appreciate them. It's always a struggle (for me at least) with a small business (it's just two and a half of us over here at UD) trying to juggle all the variables that go into making a quality product and getting it into the hands of customers who appreciate it for a price that lets us keep the doors open and lights on while also being as affordable as possible for them. A real struggle.

Anyways, thanks again for the insight, have a great weekend!

I just tested a couple of 14mm GonG's stems & the results are rather encouraging (with limitations)

Pros

• Super thick glass (at least as thick as the thick D/D stem)
• Will take standard UD GonG screens
• Available in 18 & 14mm
• Does not get as hot so even more convection properties
• Delivers complete extraction
• Highly cost effective (especially for those outside the US)

Cons

• A bit loose in fitting but can certainly be fixed with a suitable O ring
• Is as long as the D/D stem so pretty long

Overall I would recommend these if you have an Air Core or O rings & don't mind a bit of length (or can cut it down). I have no regrets as being 12,000km away it is good to have backup stems.

As for the cost of a UD @P.A.M. it is all relative. I don't believe there is a better value desktop on offer than a holiday special. The only addition you would want to buy is pack or two of screens as backup. The simple reality is that a Mini is a fun toy to compliment a "big dog" not the other way round.

Thanks dude! Judging by your description and my (sometimes janky) memory I think those are the big GonGs we tried a few years back. Maybe I'll revisit them again.. always looking for options for you guys.

 

[muunch]

Maybe a login-based store where the micros and minis are for people with registered order #s or whatever. Similar to what MFLB does/has.

I don't think it's a big deal though... I see the mini/micro dogs as what they're described as - treats, the low price on those I see as being there BECAUSE you already have a dog. Not like a "sorry, you can only buy if you already spent money."

I don't know. I wasn't going to type anything honestly lol...

I could have been charged $100 more than what I paid for my dog and I wouldn't question it still, for what it's worth... don't get any ideas tho!

 

[underdog]

Maybe a login-based store where the micros and minis are for people with registered order #s or whatever. Similar to what MFLB does/has.

I don't think it's a big deal though... I see the mini/micro dogs as what they're described as - treats, the low price on those I see as being there BECAUSE you already have a dog. Not like a "sorry, you can only buy if you already spent money."

I don't know. I wasn't going to type anything honestly lol...

I could have been charged $100 more than what I paid for my dog and I wouldn't question it still, for what it's worth... don't get any ideas tho!

Interesting idea, I'll run it by Underdogette since she's the one who has to keep the site running.

I know we try to keep it fairly clean and simple tech wise so as to minimize the downtime and glitches you guys have to suffer thru. If it's something we could implement without it causing too much added complexity we can certainly look at it though.

Alright back to the grindstone for this Dog. The shop is open and drying out so now I can move on to the full days worth of welding that's needed to finish this last batch of Standard Cores. A full day of carefully laying down the tiny little welds on cores (especially the Standard) is a good way to ensure you spend the rest of the day feeling a bit cross eyed lol.

 

[Boreus]

I'm really on the fence about buying a mini. Someone talk me into it/out of it.

 

[muunch]

I would talk you out of it but I can't figure out a reason NOT to get a micro or mini (or both) myself. Sorry!

 

[underdog]

I'm really on the fence about buying a mini. Someone talk me into it/out of it.

Don't buy one! They're huge and expensive and ugly! Run, save yourself!

I would talk you out of it but I can't figure out a reason NOT to get a micro or mini (or both) myself. Sorry!

(See above)

 

[ZC]

Mini's are great. They shouldn't be anyone's only vape but they're a fine addition to anyones lineup.

I got two mini's and one micro and I'm not done yet. Next time I'd like to try one of the micros with the full SS heater.

 

[mucsusn]

I'm really on the fence about buying a mini. Someone talk me into it/out of it.

There is nothing........breathe and think about that....nothing, that should preclude you from buying any type of dog. They are literally one-off works of functional art; they behave differently with different techniques, they have a unique aesthetic that cannot be matched; it's the sheer variety of shapes, textures and designs that eclipse every other boutique vape maker that I have encountered.

Speaking of that, received my custom Cocobolo Dog and a Banksia Pod Micro today. What can I say......

 

[jim-bob]

Interesting idea, I'll run it by Underdogette since she's the one who has to keep the site running.

The website's fine. The mini dog page has a full paragraph of text explaining the deal, as well as a paragraph following it explaining that it will have a reduced lifespan compared to full-sized dogs. There's a box you have to check before you're allowed to add it to your cart.

If people are unwilling or unable to read simple text, IMO that's on them. Keep on keeping on.

 

[Boreus]

When I ordered my Underdog a couple weeks ago it showed up about a day early, the other day I ordered some stems, they just showed up 2 days before expected. Really impressive not only considering the time of year but coast to coast too. 10/10 so far Underdog!

 

[P.A.M.]

The website's fine. The mini dog page has a full paragraph of text explaining the deal, as well as a paragraph following it explaining that it will have a reduced lifespan compared to full-sized dogs. There's a box you have to check before you're allowed to add it to your cart.

If people are unwilling or unable to read simple text, IMO that's on them. Keep on keeping on.

I can read perfectly fine. Its the fact you are mislead into clicking on link to then read the fine print to learn its not for you but for others. Almost descrimitory. Lol therfor it is rather a bummer and insulting to a new customer. IMO if available to everyone (at whatever price underdog chooses) with same paragraph you mention about the toy part , then it would be too bad if you missed out on info. (I wouldn't say too bad if can't read because some people can't read and it's not their fault generally speaking) I have worked in literacy centre's. Please be more considerate.

If owner likes it that way , so be it. His decisions. Customer service / approach goes a long way.. just like the person who posted recently Considering to purchase a micro/mini to which underdog replies "Don't buy one". Yes I read the sarcastic in it , yet if I was the one considering it , I would again pass just by the simple arrogance or cockyness it projects rather then giving me a more pro-con Informative answer.

I find it funny.that fanboys need to step in and keep issue going when Underdog himself thanked me for insight and did mention the other poster's suggestion about website was a good idea. I had thought of the website idea too, a mass email sent to clients is although probably easier / cost effecient. Surely all kinds of ways of doing. Offering a code or coupon for discount or a coupon sent upon purchase of a Underdog , whatever. ..

Peace everyone

 

[Snappo]

My sincerest apologies to all regarding my post comments on the mini/micro UD's potential longevity, which wrongfully contradicted Underdog Dave's own longstanding experience and wisdom, being beyond question on this matter. It was not my place to contradict. I can only say in feeble defense that my experience with all 9 dogs, including my mini, compelled my heartfelt enthusiasm and big mouth to speak out about the ironclad build, durability, & beauty of the UNDERDOG, no matter the size. Admittedly flawed as I am, sometimes I am outspoken... but I do love my UD pack like no other :-)

 

[underdog]

Hey Dogs, since we're still on the subject of Minis/Micros and I've just finished a rough count of the materials left for building said Dogs I figured I'd update you guys.

It looks like I'll have enough parts to eventually build out 20-30 more Minis and 40-50 more Micros before I run out. Just wanted to give you guys a more concrete heads up on numbers available since we aren't planning on making more after these are done.

Likewise with Standard Cores, as I've been saying for a 'while' I'm going to take the SC out of production so I can make some revisions.. I'm hoping to do this after we run thru the last batch of cores I just finished welding. I'd guess that supply will last 2-3 months but that's just a guess. If you're the collecting type and want a SC you'll have about that amount of time to pick one up.

As usual once we're fully out of beta testing on the revised SC we'll be releasing some into the 'wild' with limited quantities available and (lets not get riled up on this part) availability limited to experienced users only.

We also have a few other exciting projects we're looking to move into their final stages this coming year but no set dates since their completion is largely dictated by what resources (time, materials, money) we have available to throw at them.

There is nothing........breathe and think about that....nothing, that should preclude you from buying any type of dog. They are literally one-off works of functional art; they behave differently with different techniques, they have a unique aesthetic that cannot be matched; it's the sheer variety of shapes, textures and designs that eclipse every other boutique vape maker that I have encountered.

Speaking of that, received my custom Cocobolo Dog and a Banksia Pod Micro today. What can I say......

Thanks man, variety is where it's at! Glad to hear your new Pups arrived safe and sound. Meant to send you a message about them but keep forgetting.. srry.

When I ordered my Underdog a couple weeks ago it showed up about a day early, the other day I ordered some stems, they just showed up 2 days before expected. Really impressive not only considering the time of year but coast to coast too. 10/10 so far Underdog!

Awesome, glad the post office is keeping up with things (for most people)! Thanks for the props as well, much appreciated!

I can read perfectly fine. Its the fact you are mislead into clicking on link to then read the fine print to learn its not for you but for others. Almost descrimitory. Lol therfor it is rather a bummer and insulting to a new customer. IMO if available to everyone (at whatever price underdog chooses) with same paragraph you mention about the toy part , then it would be too bad if you missed out on info. (I wouldn't say too bad if can't read because some people can't read and it's not their fault generally speaking) I have worked in literacy centre's. Please be more considerate.

If owner likes it that way , so be it. His decisions. Customer service / approach goes a long way.. just like the person who posted recently Considering to purchase a micro/mini to which underdog replies "Don't buy one". Yes I read the sarcastic in it , yet if I was the one considering it , I would again pass just by the simple arrogance or cockyness it projects rather then giving me a more pro-con Informative answer.

I find it funny.that fanboys need to step in and keep issue going when Underdog himself thanked me for insight and did mention the other poster's suggestion about website was a good idea. I had thought of the website idea too, a mass email sent to clients is although probably easier / cost effecient. Surely all kinds of ways of doing. Offering a code or coupon for discount or a coupon sent upon purchase of a Underdog , whatever. ..

Peace everyone

I do appreciate your insights P.A.M. and we're always revisiting the way we do things so insight is certainly welcome and helpful... that said I think we have some incompatible viewpoints on some of this stuff.

In regards to the Minis/Micros we've always had products that were limited in their availability and probably always will. Whether those products are Minis/Micros, special materials for custom jobs, unique/limited edition stems, etc we sometimes feel the need (or desire) to restrict their availability. As far as informing the consumer goes we find that the product description is the most effective place to do so.. it's not like we can fit that info in the product title. To me it's no different than the various other items that aren't available (or compatible) for certain Dogs or users: stems, power supplies, cables, accessories, etc.

On the customer service side I feel confident (not cocky) that ours is amongst the best in the business if not the outright best. Since day one (5+ years ago) we've put service above almost all else and not only as an afterthought when customers are pissed off about the lack thereof as seems to be becoming the norm these days. Sometimes this service comes in the form of telling customers they can't have what they want or that we don't think our product is the right one for them.

As far as sarcasm goes - yeah, we (usually) love it.. maybe it's part of being an Underdog.. especially with peeps we know (like regular customers). I think we've truly built a community culture around UD and we try and treat our fellow Dogs like a pack (or tribe, or family if you will). This regularly means we talk to each other like friends/family. You'll find that we don't buy in to pandering, being 'yes men', nor bullying or fanboyism. We do tend to be straightforward though and I do understand that sometimes that makes people uncomfortable when they aren't used to it.

My sincerest apologies to all regarding my post comments on the mini/micro UD's potential longevity, which wrongfully contradicted Underdog Dave's own longstanding experience and wisdom, being beyond question on this matter. It was not my place to contradict. I can only say in feeble defense that my experience with all 9 dogs, including my mini, compelled my heartfelt enthusiasm and big mouth to speak out about the ironclad build, durability, & beauty of the UNDERDOG, no matter the size. Admittedly flawed as I am, sometimes I just go overboard... but I do love my UD pack like no other :-)

No worries Snappo, I understood your meaning even if I responded contrary to what you'd said. You're right in your assessment, many Minis/Micros will have a longer lifespan that we indicate. Like usual we like to underrate specs so that most of you guys (and gals) are pleasantly surprised instead of the opposite. Same reason we purposely try not to 'bam' up our photos too much, or why we don't do typical advertising (cheesy infomercial style, etc). So, again, while we appreciate you clearing up any confusion your post may have caused we personally always knew what you meant/felt so no need for apologies! Tis the season for celebration so lets celebrate!

 

[Snappo]

So, again, while we appreciate you clearing up any confusion your post may have caused we personally always knew what you meant/felt so no need for apologies! Tis the season for celebration so lets celebrate!

 

[DoritosWizard]

Just got my dog

I tried it a few times and damnnnnn

It looks awesome and works awesome!

Gonna upload pic later




So far I like the nylon stem better than the glass stem, it feels like I don't get my bud vaped evenly with the gong maybe need to try again!

It also seems to run hot!!! If I don't blow in it or pull really really hard it gets really dark.


Anyway

I love it

 

[mucsusn]

Hey Underdog, you guys kept me informed EVERY step of the way. Absolutely love the new custom Cocobolo piece! Your artistry just added to the aesthetic created by that beautiful multi-colored grain pattern.

For those of you who need a nice way to cure an attack of VAS, simply find a good wood source like @Snappo, then work with the Dog and Dogette.......they will absolutely hook you up!

 

[rogrog]

anyone have issues with combusting with water tools?

I have a D020-D bubbler and I can easily combust with my underdog if I pull too long / too hard. even when I lower the voltage, I can reach too high of temps due to my airflow.

any tips to avoid this other than taking it in slower/shorter? or am I the only one with this problem?

 

[ZC]

Just the obvious tips like push your screen in deeper, make sure your ground material is loose, not packed, etc.

 

[Commander Cody]

anyone have issues with combusting with water tools?

I have a D020-D bubbler and I can easily combust with my underdog if I pull too long / too hard. even when I lower the voltage, I can reach too high of temps due to my airflow.

any tips to avoid this other than taking it in slower/shorter? or am I the only one with this problem?

Whoa....I believe slower draws will actually make combustion more likely. Air spends more time being drawn across heater and picks up more heat

 

[underdog]

Hey Underdog, you guys kept me informed EVERY step of the way. Absolutely love the new custom Cocobolo piece! Your artistry just added to the aesthetic created by that beautiful multi-colored grain pattern.

For those of you who need a nice way to cure an attack of VAS, simply find a good wood source like @Snappo, then work with the Dog and Dogette.......they will absolutely hook you up!

Thanks man, glad you like how it came out!

anyone have issues with combusting with water tools?

I have a D020-D bubbler and I can easily combust with my underdog if I pull too long / too hard. even when I lower the voltage, I can reach too high of temps due to my airflow.

any tips to avoid this other than taking it in slower/shorter? or am I the only one with this problem?

Lowering voltage even more, moving your screen a bit farther back or packing material less tightly (or grinding less fine) are good ways of reducing your odds of combustion. If your herb is super dry that may cause issues as well.. just something else to check.

Generally speaking you'll ideally make temperature corrections by changing the voltage more, the other things treat the symptom not the cause so I'd try them as a last resort.

 

[NizzyJones]

Whoa....I believe slower draws will actually make combustion more likely. Air spends more time being drawn across heater and picks up more heat

Yeah, but I've managed to char weed a little bit in the NonG a few times because I'm able to take such big/long rips through the bubbler. That was with a near-overflowing stem though, now I just don't fill it up that much anymore.

 

[Stevenski]

This is a marriage made in heaven . Even though it has a lace perc & stacks like crazy it kicks like a mule. The tiny amount of water does not seem to matter & it pairs so well with the UD. I even thought I combusted a few times the vapour was so dense but it was just the usual colour ABV. Gonna be a nice Christmas indeed.

 

[underdog]

Hey Dogs hope you're all have a great week.. it's been busy busy busy around here with a steady stream of packages flying out the door, hopefully to make it to their destinations before Christmas this weekend. We're definitely looking forward to a bit of rest this weekend after the almost nonstop Birthday-to-Holiday sales bonanza we've been dealing with.

We're planning on the Holiday Sale running thru the New Year before we wrap it up so you still have time to get in on a Holiday Dog even if it won't arrive till after Christmas.

@Stevenski - that looks like a nice bit of kit there, well done sir!

 

[muunch]

Not sure if other people try similar nectar collector type things, but I found this guy works pretty well. From the old @DDave milaana kit. I like watching the vapor swirl around in the jhook better, but this does a better job at cooling and is more ergonomic. I should get a keck clip on there, but whatever.

 

[DDave]

Not sure if other people try similar nectar collector type things, but I found this guy works pretty well. From the old @DDave milaana kit. I like watching the vapor swirl around in the jhook better, but this does a better job at cooling and is more ergonomic. I should get a keck clip on there, but whatever.

Nice! I like it.

PS. A Keck clip found its way into your most recent order...