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Vapor Spliffs

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by thefiddler, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. thefiddler

    thefiddler Member

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    Hello all,

    I'm new to vaping and to these forums. I switched to vaping, to be healthier, about a week ago with my new WISPR, I also have a Solo on the way. Prior to that I was a full time spliff smoker, a habit I picked up while studying in Ireland. I grew accustomed to the ritual and the high I got from the tobacco/herb mix, which was usually heavier on the tobacco for me, so when I decided to switch to vaping I wanted to continue to use the same ingredients so I would get a similar high. For my spliffs I always used Peter Stokkebye's Danish Export rolling tobacco, so I'm continuing to use it while vaping as well.

    The mix I'm using currently is around 60/40 - herb/tobacco with a small amount of VG for extra vapor. It's been working pretty well for me though the first day or two was a bit of an adjustment. The ritual is not the same, obviously, as the rolling process is eliminated, and the flavor is much sweeter because of the tobacco not being burned but I'm getting used to it. The effects are at least similar.

    Does anyone else do this? If so, do you have any tips or suggestions on how to more effectively recreate a spliff using a vaporizer?
     
  2. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Well I think vaping tobacco is ok (even that i am anti-tobacco cuz its bad dope). Well i see a little problem with vaping temps.. cuz tobacco vapes at lower temp than weed.. So you will either not extracting the full potential of your weed or you will evaporate unwanted(more harmful )substances from the tobacco if you reach temps high enough to extract all good from weed... Also VG can be harmful if it is overboiled/overheated .. I also have to add i have no experience with wisper and if it is easy to keep low temp with it. ( I wont risk that(mix) on any vape that can't guarantee me low temp vaping with little ease of error (overheating). IMO vaporizing is all about having less nails to your coffin and i won't risk adding non psychoactive possibly harmful substance like VG(when overheated) .
     
  3. max

    max Bingo Coordinator Staff Member

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    I know mixing herb and tobacco is popular in Europe and some other places, but mixing them when vaping could result in the tobacco part really gunking up your vape. As long as you don't mind that aspect I don't see a problem, other than the temp issue already pointed out. I do hate to see anyone refer to tobacco as part of a 'high'. If I were you I'd start using less tobacco as you go and wean yourself off that stuff.
     
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  4. OhTheAgony

    OhTheAgony here for the chicks

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    I did this in my SSV once or twice when I first started vaping. Do not recommend it.

    Like stated above tobacco and mj vape at different temps. You'll burn your tobacco at the temps mj needs and stink up your vaporizer. If you must do this I would use two different vapes for this. With a DBV/SSV you could keep a wand & whip for tobacco exclusively, but I don't know the Wispr well enough to know if something similar is possible.

    Keep in mind you're still ingesting addictive nicotine when vaping tobacco.
     
  5. Lefthook

    Lefthook VapoMiner

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    I think Max is right, the high you get of a spliff is different due to the combusting of chemicals and benzine. I use to roll spliffs all day with tobacco as im from London but since moving over to vaping i never really have any spliffs and have never tried vaping tobacco. Have you tried just vaping some ground up green?
     
  6. WatTyler

    WatTyler Revolting Peasant

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    you could just add a drop of flavourless PG nicotine solution on the herb too if it was just the buzz you were after. I don't think I'd like the flavour of the tobacco overpowering my herbal vapors.
     
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  7. thefiddler

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    Yeah the vape temperature thing was something that I was wondering about and was part of the reason I wanted a Solo as well as a Wispr, since the Wispr is fixed temp at ~374/190. I read that tobacco vaporizes around 125 F, but it's been working okay for me in the Wispr. Though maybe the tobacco is getting overvaped or the herb getting undervaped depending on how long I keep hitting it. I also want to mess around with using different ratios, since all the info I've read or heard in youtube videos says that you extract way more nicotine through vaping. So I'll probly try to go for more like 25-30% tobacco and the rest herb.
     
  8. dannkk

    dannkk Well-Known Member

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    Try packing the herb close the the element, and the tobacco further away.
     
  9. thefiddler

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    Correction: Tobacco vaporizes at 125 C not F, so that's ~257 F. Yeah I've been experimenting with putting the tobacco further away cuz it can get pretty dark when it's closest to the heat. I've only done it once or twice so far though, so it's judge what kind of difference it makes. I'll have to play around with it some more.
     
  10. DannyVi

    DannyVi Well-Known Member

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    Did it in my eq and it sucked.
     
  11. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    It's a high for some people, but just not a quality one. Think sniffing glue LOL. I personally value my body enough to not intake tobacco, but I can see why some people like it I guess.

    Why not just vape your bud and keep the vape nice and clean and working well, then take a hit or 2 off any of the thousands of ecigs out there between cannabis vapor? All the mix none of the problems. Hell with the thermovape and I'm sure others as well you can just swap in a new cartridge on the same vape!

    mod note: back to back posts one minute apart? Against the rules! I'd advise to not make it a habit. Posts merged.
     
  12. thefiddler

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    Lots of hate for tobacco I see. It can be evil stuff, but I think it's ok in moderation. To me it seems healthier to refer to it as part of a high than referring to it like your morning coffee as many full time smokers do. I use it because I enjoy it, not because I'm dependent on it. I did pick up a Colibri Nano e-cig though and some Virginia tobacco juice, so I may just start vaping a stem from my Solo and then hitting the e-cig like you're suggesting darkrom.
     
  13. max

    max Bingo Coordinator Staff Member

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    It's bad for you, even in moderation. I was always a light to moderate cig smoker, but social tobacco users are fairly rare, meaning even light to moderate use means regular use. It's extremely addictive and now also more expensive than mid grad mj in some places. It took me many years to quit and I could tell I was doing damage to my cardiovascular system.

    Whatever pluses there are to using tobacco, the minuses are much greater, and I'd encourage anyone who's never used it to keep it that way.
     
  14. nucleo

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    It's fine if you want to stay addicted to nicotine for the rest of your life. Mixing tobacco with herb makes you want to smoke continiously or until your lungs feel fucked. Just like when you take the first cig of the day... from that point on you will be smoking until you sleep.
     
  15. thefiddler

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    Yeah, I'm not trying to get anyone who doesn't already use tobacco started. I realize that tobacco/smoking is dangerous, it's what got me to switch to vapor in the first place. This thread was meant for myself or others in my situation who enjoy spliffs but are trying to become healthier by switching to vapor. If you don't like tobacco that's fine and it's fair to warn others of the risks, but it doesn't really add to the discussion on how to get better results using it (mixed with herbs) in a vaporizer.
     
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  16. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Hey thefiddler . I am against tobacco consumption too.. I've smoked for 1-2 years starting with a shared cig between smoke buddies and going up to 3 packs a day in no time.. I've a nice number of ethnobotanicals and psychadelics also many varieties of tobacco (other herbs called tobacco too and other containing nicotine ) and classical tobacco is just not worth it on taste,effect,price. Indian tobacco was a bit better but again makes my endorphin levels fucked up , blue tomatoes get the nicotine hunger satisfied but i don't like the taste.. (i don't like the whole Solanaceae familily ).
    So what i mean is that for $ and the <3 there are better alternatives .
    Also i've read that nicotine stimulates b-endorphin in brain which happens typically when you are happy of your work. Your brain gifts you with betaendophin satisaction for job well done.. Well nicotine does too... and everytime you light up a cig not when you did something nice..
    We know what happens when intake of a particular substance increases.. Well tolerance goes with it too.
    So you are going to increase your hunger for it and you will need bigger amounts to feel it.. That means that someday when you do a nice job and your brain releases BE but it wont be enough for you.. and you won't become satisfied and you will need to stack it up with a dose of Nicotine.. This a chemical limbo you don't wanna get in.. Cause the more you do nicotine the less satisfied your brain will get for his work.
    Also mixing tobacco with herb gets you addicted to different chemical combo and you might not get satisfied by neither of them alone. It is the same like with munchies.. When you can't stop it after having herb.. is because you are not satisfied.. your brain wants the chemical combo of weed+coca cola+chips+muffins.. whatever you abuse ..
    So my advice is to keep things straight and not the mix them.. it is better if you use them separated ... least for your soul/brain :) .
    I know my english is bad and i am no scientists but i am a man that reads and feels very fine the chemicals in his brain :).
    This is a thing that is very hard to explain to an addict/user.. because most of the effects psychical and physical are delayed and it is very hard to believe something that gives you satisfaction is bad.. but from my EXP i can say .. Quitting tobacco will make you a more satisfied person.. than you are after consuming it.
     
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  17. quentin123

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    I always smoked spliffs as well, half a cigarette and a 0.3-0.4 of high grade wrapped up in a kingsize Rizla. . . I still miss it even though I doubt I'll smoke one again for a long time.
    I never was a cigarette smoker but I smoked lots of joints almost daily for the best part of 5 years and now I must say, while I occasionally miss lighting up a spliff I never would want to smoke a blunt/straight weed bong. This makes me believe I have developed some kind of dependence on nicotine (haven't smoked a joint for 6 months+ now). I would say if you only smoked joints and not cigarettes I'd probably stick to vaping just weed. I hate the thought of being hooked on anything.
     
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  18. DrPiff

    DrPiff Born To Rage

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    Quitting tobacco was one of the best decisions i've ever made in my entire life. I have few regrets in life, but picking up a nicotine habit is definitely one of them.
     
  19. Ratm22

    Ratm22 Professional Vaporist

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    E cigs are where its at. Super cheap and no worries with tar. I got disposables and ones on recharge.
    No terrible smell either which is very bad with tobacco.

    You can vape tobacco no prob, but why?

    I have a hard enough time keeping things clean as it is. But to each his own. Is the taste very good? American spirits and pipe tobacco are the only things that really had any flavor to me.
     
  20. thefiddler

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    Yeah since I got my e cig I haven't really been trying to do mixed bowls in my vaporizer anymore. The taste of tobacco through the vape isn't bad (I was using nice rolling tobacco), just not like smoking. It's a lot sweeter. One of the main issues for me though is that vaping extracts a lot more nicotine so you can only use a small amount and as a result you get a lot less visible vapor. I get more from my Solo than my WISPR, but still the e cig is better for simulating the smoking experience. I'm digging the Virginia e-liquid from Backwoods Brew at the moment and have a bottle of their Backo on the way.
     
  21. nucleo

    nucleo Active Member

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    On quite a few occasions i went into testing my ego, on the basis that i find myself mental strong to just say no to smoking even after just smoking 1 after a long time (few months after not having any nicotine cravings), and unfortunately to my demise every single time i lit up again, whether it was just a normal cig or a piece broken off and mixed with some herb, i always had urges and cravings come back and haunt me like no tomorow the day after i smoked. Like i said, whether it was a few drags or just the 1, unless you quit smoking any form of tobacco the addiction is as bad as heroin like they say. Fortunately after doing it so many times my brain developped a gray area where it just ignores the cravings although if i think about rolling one up because of old habits, it will linger on my mind for a few moments before i tell it to fuck off.
     
  22. thefiddler

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    Over the last few days I've been experimenting some more and have been enjoying 50/50 mixed Solo stems, vaping on temp. setting 3, which would be about the same temp. as the Wispr. I get way more visible vapor from the Solo though, so it's more enjoyable. I think it also helps that I haven't smoked a cigarette or spliff in like 3 weeks so I'm starting to forget the exact taste. Maybe it's because I bought really low nicotine e-liquid, but the e-cig hasn't been as satisfying lately. It's fun to blow big clouds of vapor around but it hasn't been getting me where I need to go yet. I ordered some new juice though that's stronger, so that may help.
     
  23. Bleezy

    Bleezy Burn without Fire

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    You get to die sooner.
     
  24. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    Grave-digging here as I wanted to share my experience to possibly help people having the dual addiction (tobacco+cannabis) Being a EURO-smoker(TM) too (or well I could use the past stance here) I did mix the two substances in my joints for over 16 years.

    I think I managed to kill my cigs addiction by switching to a brand having only tobacco and paper as the listed ingredients. Namely I switched from Camel's to Benson & Hedges "platinum". This allowed me to proceed by "stages" to lower my addiction: by removing the additives and flavor enhancers, it immediatly lowered the amount of craving I felt. Then as the B&H feel very "bland" and tasteless without the additives, I started enjoying cigs less and less.

    It's simple: with the Camel's when I opened the pack I could smell all these aromas and I wanted to have one immediatly. With the B&H the cigs smell like dry tobacco, and that's all. They are not enjoyable to smoke, or just barely, so in no time I managed to completely stop the cigs and only kept the tobacco in my joints (= first stage)

    The second stage consisted in a gradual reduction of the amount of tobacco I put in my spliffs. I went from half a cig to a third (1/3), then finally to 1/4. Surprisingly at that point, all my friends started to tell me I was crazy to put so little tobacco. That all this "pure" weed was way too powerful for them etc (incredible no?) Out of scarcity some of them can use as much as one entire cig per joint!

    At that point I only had a cig or two in social occasions (where smoking weed was not possible, ex: pubs, night clubs etc) Everytime I felt smoking a pure cig was a total waste: taste was shit, not medicating in any way... Then came the last stage: getting into vaporization.

    Since then, everytime I tried to combust a spliff, I felt disguted by the awful taste and wondered several times if I had not done something wrong (like having forgotten a bit of plastic inside while rolling or something?!)

    Needless to say that I became a (proud) vapor-snob in less than one week of daily vaporization. I feel sorry for the people who didn't feel switching was like a "revelation". For me I miss nothing. I much prefer to get high and hate being stoned and couch-locked, so I'm definitely not missing the effect of the compounds I can't vape.
     
  25. max

    max Bingo Coordinator Staff Member

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    Congrats on kicking the smoking (anything) habit.

    It still boggles my mind that tobacco companies add 600 ingredients to cigs, producing over 4000 chemicals when burned. As if nicotine wasn't addictive enough.

    For many people it takes about a week of strictly vaping to get used to the effects of the much cleaner vapor high. I miss absolutely nothing about smoking mj, including swapping spit while passing a joint.
     
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