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Vaping Flowers Vs. Dabs which is healthier for you?

Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by HippieHitman, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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  2. psychonaut

    psychonaut High as fuck

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    Are you referring to terpenes that may be lost during the extraction/purging process? I heard a week or two ago on hash church skunkman sam was talking about reclaiming the terpenes during the extraction process so really nothing active was lost using his extractor, but I dont know if his tech is widely used or not. He is a bit tight lipped regarding his tech, but it seemed to sound as if the material was the same as the flower just concentrated and without the inactives.
     
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  3. Enchantre

    Enchantre Oil Painter

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    Tried my own homemade stuff.

    Pretty darned good.

    Grew from seed, from plants I grew that seeded...
     
  4. MinnBobber

    MinnBobber Well-Known Member

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    @lazylathe ,
    Thanks for the suggestion.
    I'm a little reluctant to try making rosin right now as my stash is so minimal. I'd hate to mess up any of my meager bud. In the future (near future?) I hope to possibly try pressing some rosin when I have a little more bud to work with.
    It does intrigue me but living in a non-legal state makes it tougher to try.
    Someday I will try it though....
     
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  5. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    Hit some flower today for the first time in a few weeks... I can tell you which one tastes better :p
     
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  6. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Without meaning to pick on you; but for the umpteenth time, this is not the case with all concentrates. Well made concentrates have all that complexity and more. Taste a well cured perfume like full melt made out of whole unruptured trichomes and then try and tell me that flower is more complex :p

    Too many people have not used good enough concentrates yet to make overall comparisons against flower. What I dab every time I take a dab is 100% better tasting than the flower that it came from, and I should know, I made it.

    EDIT: @psychonaut skunkman sam tends to dab 99% gland head dry sift (6 star full melt). His technique for this is quite guarded, but best I can guess he is using some kind of ultrasonic agitation to automate the normally painstaking manual labor involved in sifting. I may be wrong. He is tight lipped as you say.

    For trapping terpenes, there are many different ways and many extractors do this in solvent processing (cold traps, fractional distillation etc). Some of the ways of capturing these terpenes can result in oxidation and degradation/changes to the terps on the way. They will not necessarily taste the same as the flower in this case. However, as I say, full melt hashes have all of the flavor of the flower and then some depending on how you process. Rosin when produced and stored in the right fashion tastes so true to the flower that it is remarkable.
     
  7. MonsterWithoutBorders

    MonsterWithoutBorders Philosophim

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    Yes full melt has the complexity i look for rosin less so but very good. The co2 and bho and others (clear) type where trrpenes are added back in are wonderful powerful clean but still are not as subtle so far for me. I have what the mj markets had in washington state and saw all the new technologies up until they closed.
     
  8. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I love shatter (addicted)
    40 watts in a GOON tank + MOD + EJUICE + KIEF + Dabs of concentrate = MAX COMA

    FLOWERS are milder and I think they might be less abusive to our bodies?
    [​IMG]
    Don't laugh at my sample of ugly weed?
    It taste good and the effect is not bad.
    Free help's one to be BIAS!
     
  9. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    Plenty of prime, home-grown, veganic flower to vape, but the shatter's running out and already jonesing.:mmmm: And it's the same flower as the shatter - the same plant, in fact.
     
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  10. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    Hey SHATTER SHATTER give me some SHATTER
    I only have a gram left?
    Time to reload!

    Must stay = CILVILIZED

    GIRL SCOUT COOKIES COLAS & SHATTER
    NICE COMBO @Accept

    Hey SHATTER SHATTER = 420

    @MinnBobber you must move to a legal place?

    SHATTER is easy to make just make sure you purge well!
    Click to play YouTube Video

    @lazylathe this is how I see you?
     
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  11. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    @ Ataxian LMAO!!! Thanks BUD!!! That was awesome!!

    As for shatter... bro you are living in the past!
    Rosin is where it is at!!
    You should start pressing your own from your own flowers!
    It tastes so much better than the shatter i usually buy and it is expensive stuff!
     
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  12. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    Thanks - keep that in mind, just in case.:razz:

    Also thinking about it. Seems like a big investment on a good press. Straying well off topic. PM, if you'd like.
     
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  13. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    You know I made it like crazy?
    I do buy ROSIN for $20 per gram.
    It will get cheaper!
     
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  14. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Extremely well said, and matches my experiences completely. I've spent the last week researching the interwebs on dabs and health etc, and it appears this is the common theme.

    I've now begun the process of withdrawing from concentrates after only one week of light use, and it isn't fun, even with an abundance of flowers on hand.

    I think i'll stick with solventless...rosin and distillate, but at vaping temps mixed with my herb in my Supreme, and only for a treat once in a while.
     
  15. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    The latter here is a good idea man, keep it to solventless extracts from flowers of known providence :) It'll give you a lot more peace of mind. If you're buying solvent extracts there is a lot more risk involved, there's more that can go wrong in processing and especially in mass produced low cost solvent extracts, you just know that some unscrupulous extractors will cut corners to save a buck or some time.

    What I've said above still stands though, there is a laundry list of us who use predominately concentrates who do not get sky-high tolerances. Man I had 3 .05g dabs all day yesterday! that is the literal equivalent of vaping 3 bowls in my haze (as in if I took that same flower and squished it, that is how many dabs of the same I'd have). You choose how much you dose. Your dose determines your tolerance. :2c: Concentrates are safer than the equivalent amount of flower vaped (as in enough flower to consume the same amount of resin/actives) if they are solventless extracts from the same flower.

    Concentrates are not always safer than flower if your concentrate was made in a less than ideal way.
     
  16. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    @herbivore21 I agree with you, but don't know how you do it. That is some serious self control, and I think that the majority don't have your iron will power.

    What temps are you dabbing your rosin? Surely higher than flower vaping temps?
     
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  17. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    A very busy working life helps keep the doses down lol, I've been working around the clock lately! Don't become a scientist - choose life instead! :lol:

    The temps question I have addressed before so let's start with some premises:

    1. The temp readout on an e-nail controller is not the temperature on the dish of your nail, which could be up to HUNDREDS of degrees lower than dial temp.

    2. The variation between dial temp and dish temp shifts according to the kind of nail you are using. Any nail with inserts (like the Liger) rather than a directly heated dish (like a d-nail halo) will also require much higher dial temps to get the desired dish temp.

    3. The age and state of your heater coil as well as it's dimensions will change the relationship between dial and dish temp. So will different controllers.

    4. Answering your question, if I were to use my SiC halo as an example (I don't have temp charts to so easily use with my other nails lol), I tend to use that one at 500 on the dial, which is 450f on the dish. The relationship between dial and dish temp changes on the same nail as the temp is driven up. A SiC halo that is 500 at the dish will read 570 or so on the dial (if using a d-nail 1.2 controller and flat coil). SiC tends to have a closer dial to dish temp ratio because SiC very effectively gets the heat across the dish. Other materials will vary considerably.

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    Now we are left with 450f at the dish. This is barely hotter than high temp flower vaping. Remembering that concentrates are higher boiling than flowers because the combustible material has been removed - simply put, there isn't anything to combust in what I'm dabbing.

    As I've said many times, the concentrate vapor that I inhale is infinitely smoother and less irritating on my throat and lungs than vaping the flower that I made it from :)
     
  18. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Yet you still have time for us here at FC....and that other bizarro world place you are now at ;)

    Always appreciate your knowledge and contributions!
     
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  19. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I consider it paying it forward brother, so many of you guys here have also helped me with information over the years :D

    I'll always make time to help people in our community. There isn't nearly enough help out there for cannabis patients/users!
     
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  20. Accept

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    That's very helpful, thanks. Do you have any thoughts on the "Stabilized Up-temp Procedure"? Need to upgrade heater to try it.

    It's all gone. :cry: Want to let last harvest freeze-dry a few more days before QWET. Thinking about trying rosin with flowers from previous harvest - very well-cured now. Need to research cheap method for first try.

    Seems like a whole vape bag inhaled over two or three deep breaths is similar in effect to a tiny dab. It's not too bad, drawing vapor through waterpipe.
     
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  21. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    TALL POPPY Syndrome = TPS

    My MOD at 40watts + JUICE = 420 CIVILIZED

    OK = ROMAINE ROSIN = POWERFUL
    40Watts = FLAVOR CITY no = TPS
    CHEATING = KIEF IN THE E-JUICE

    420 in CALIFORNIA = CIVILIZED

    So amazing!

    SMALL HANDS = SHS
    Huge = H

    H + SHS = TPS
     
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  22. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    If you're getting into concentrates with a high tolerance to flower, you're bound to reach a similar plateau.
     
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  23. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    Love's me my Herodotus, working out the math.

    Can't get strong enough hits with e-juice lately. Need to work on ratio. Also, clearly less healthy than flowers or concentrate. Delicious and very convenient.

    Huge plus small hands equals tall poppy syndrome... :sherlock:
     
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  24. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    This is so true for me personally, especially since I just started concentrates a week ago. I'm already there. And I didn't go "crazy" with the dabs either......but yesterday was my last day, and now i'm back on flower and will never dab regularly again, and then I gotta say the same for flower lol
     
  25. strictly vapor

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    I was right with ya til the last few words. Can't see myself quitting flower, but have in the past and may need to again temporarily to climb the ladder. MAJOR RESPECT to anyone who realizes they need a break and takes it.
     

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