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Vape traditional hash?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by TheVaper, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. TheVaper

    TheVaper New Member

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    Hi guys,


    It would be interesting to know what portable vaporizer is good for hash. By hash I mean what is called traditional/sieved/pressed/pollen hash. In contrast to bubble hash and concentrates – as I understand it makes a difference. This is why I ask here, as it struggle to understand if the type of hash mentioned can be used with the vaporizers intended for wax (clarification on the hash vs wax issue is welcome), or what I should be on the look out for when determining what vaporizer is good for hash (traditional/sieved/pressed/pollen).

    The topic has been touched upon (e.g. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-vape-for-hash.17588/) , but I would really appreciate more closer comments

    I think an electric vaporizer seems to be the most efficient. I also think a cheap option is relevant, while I would like to hear about the best model too.


    I have been looking at the following models and brands:


    Vulcano, Mighty

    Da Vinci (not the Ascent, there is a cheaper model. Should I go for the ascent instead?)

    Arizer, Arizer Air

    Pax 2

    Palm 2.0


    Hope you can help me.

    Best regards,
     
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  2. Jethro

    Jethro Well-Known Member

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    I never get hash around here but I do make kief and vape that quite a bit in all the vapes shown below in my sig. I would suggest using something easy to clean- not the Pax, that's for sure. My Arizer Solo handles the kief well and I wouldn't hesitate to throw some actual hash in the stem. Easy to clean with alcohol. But I think I would sandwich it with flower, just to keep the heating element from getting fouled- unless you use it inverted on a bong. When I want a crazy kief hit I use my butane powered VaporGeine and it's powerful. I want to get a Lotus for that purpose. A Lotus on a water bong is what I am going for eventually, Solo powered most of the time.
     
  3. steama

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  4. sativasam

    sativasam NO SMOKING

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    Volcano and Mighty work well with hash. Can vouch for that.
     
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  5. Hashtag46&2

    Hashtag46&2 Trichome Technician

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    Some Organic Cotton engulfing your hashish should work well in most Vapes.

    I like food grade Stainless Steel Mesh however.

    The Mighty carries these "Liquid Pads " that are fashioned for this purpose...

    I'm a HashHead, feel free to ask questions, Vaporization of Hash has taken it to new Horizons in which I'd thought I'd already hit my plateau.
     
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  6. Nugg

    Nugg Well-Known Member

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    My vote is vapman too. It might not have been on your radar because it's not electrical but it is super economical, fun to use, low mantinance and potent.

    @NorVape is our resident euro hash expert. I'm sure he can answer any questions you have :)
     
  7. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    Iv been vaping hash in my eq for the last week. It's the nicest uk hash iv ever seen. I cut wafer thin slices then make a lasagne type thing with layers of flower and hash. Its so soft and oily it starts to melt as i lay it into the heat soaked wand basket. By the end there isn't much trace of hash left.
     
  8. NorVape

    NorVape Vape Rictim

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    Vapman is really good. The upcomming Vapcap which I have a prototype of also works very good with traditional hashish. The cheap Ubie also works very well with hashish. In the Vapman you need custom screens for the hash, and with the Vapcap and Ubie I put it on small screens or wrap in cotton. This is to keep the units clean. When hashish is fully vaped it should be dry and crumbly, almost like ash, but not ash. Sometimes though you wanna stop earlier due to flavour etc, and then it's still sticky, and the screens or the cotton comes in handy.

    The Storm is okay with hashish. I have a Hazev3 on the way, and it's supposed to be good with hash as well, and people say the same of the Mighty, but I have no previous experience with them.

    I also hear other flame vapes like NimbinVap and the Vaponic are good for hashes. Hashes need more heat than herb, so flamevapes are often ideal.

    At home I use my Da Buddah Vape. I've put a not so fine meshed screen that I've domed inwards in the end of the wand, so the hash is closer to the heat, and it rips MONSTER CLOUDS through my bubblers when I put in dark Moroccan or some polm or whatever good hashish I have lying around. The DBV is my daily driver now, but for out and about I suggest you get a designated flame vape for the hashish before buying an expensive portable. This way you'll get the feel for how to best vape hashish and you'll know more what you should look for when you invest in an expensive vape. Also vaporizers don't like bad hash. You'll taste the bad.

    You'll end up buying more vapes then you need eventually, trust me :lol:
     
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  9. Hashtag46&2

    Hashtag46&2 Trichome Technician

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    I do the same thing @kellya86 ...but in my DBV like @NorVape

    I strongly believe a true flower high is different than a concentrate high.

    When they work together in harmony, the synergistic effects combined with the true vaporization of the material, the Horizon is changed, the plateau is now higher.

    I love it when I throw a pile of melty hash in my DBV (especially with the mod)

    Charas and Scissor Hash in the DBV or Solo too.....:drool:

    The clouds look as if I'm combusting bong hits, the room is completely fish bowled...

    Damn... Now I wanna get vaked :rofl:
     
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  10. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    I'm gonna vape some hash. That last post was like advertising to me, like seeing an ice cold pepsi when I'm thirsty.
    Mmmmm melty hash.
     
  11. NorVape

    NorVape Vape Rictim

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    Beat you to it :brow:
     
  12. sativasam

    sativasam NO SMOKING

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    If I wanted a cheap option. I'd give the Lotus a go with a high temp cap for concentrates. I haven't tried one. But I've heard good things. Santa, that is my girlfriend may bring me one for Xmas though.

    I used to smoke more hash than weed. Now as a vaper I would say it is the other way around. I would say that hash is a bit more effort to vape as you usually need a pad so you don't ruin your device. Then you have to get the crusty hash off the pad each time. So hash for me is a bit more of a chore but it's also a treat.

    This was probably the biggest challenge for me when switching to vaping. Vaping even changed the type of hash that I consume! Revealing to me the impurities of some of my purchases. I started a thread on it recently you should have a look.

    If I don't want to get completely off my face on some crazy inbred THC monster bud; and I find the hash on offer either to be too impure or annoying and bothersome to vape; I find that African/Jamaican/Thai import weed, the type that looks like it may have seeds in it, can be decent to vape. At low temps the THC is extracted and it tastes like fine hash. The vape doesn't pick up all the taste of the shade leaf etc especially at low temps.

    I have a Mighty and it has a good kick with the hash. Goes a long way. Have to turn the temp up to the max 210c. I don't like turning the unit up this hot all the time as I feel it may damage the plastic or batteries a bit.

    Personally when it comes to vapes I'm a bit funny about plastic ones with microchips. It doesn't feel right to me next to a 210c oven that I breath through. So if I buy a vape especially a plastic one I buy one that I feel I can trust in terms of off gassing.

    I definitely wouldn't bother with the palm or the davinci. I wouldn't want a plastic vape that's cheap. The only cheap vapes I would buy are MFLB and Lotus. No plastic. No microchips. Reliable. Cheap but quality build. And in my opinion good bits of kit.
     
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  13. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    If you want a portable unit for hash the Haze worked out pretty well with the concentrate basket for me. You could also do a combo with flowers too but the straight hash worked fine. Ive tried shatter it worked out as well with the HazeV3 it wasn't harsh as with the ecig style vaporizing method.

    I just bought my HazeV3 a few weeks ago and have been happy so far.
     
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  14. SavedByTheVape

    SavedByTheVape Active Member

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    For vaping hash efficiently and effectively to achieve optimal flavor retention, I would highly recommend a premium pure convection vaporizer. I found that conduction vapes like my PAX tend to kinda char the outside of my hash without efficiently/fully extracting the medicinal epicenter of it's gooey innards. My top choices are anything Storz n' Bickel for sure, obviously vapexhale's evo is a top contender (although not portable, yet), and the grasshopper is also uber coolio :)
     
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  15. BabyFacedFinster

    BabyFacedFinster Capo di tutt'i capi

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    If I had some hash right now (and I wish I did) I'd drop some on top of a little herb in a glass gong, slide it in my water pipe and then drop my e-nano on top.
    I don't know if it would work well or not, but I'd have high hopes ;)

    I miss that taste of good pressed hash. It's been a long time.
     
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  16. TheVaper

    TheVaper New Member

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    Hi guys,

    Thanks for the replies.
    I am hesitant towards the Vapman and Lotus because I prefer to get rid of fire alltogether. To me it is not a step up to have to carry around torch lighters in my pocket. Also, I worry that I would heat up the material too high with a lighter. Am I wrong here?

    I would also really prefer not to sandwich the hash between leaves or mix it with cotton, thus I need a dedicated hash model.

    A few questions you guys must know the answers to.
    What is the difference between wax pens and portable vaporizers. Products like Dr. Dabber Ghost, is this a real vaporizer or is it a 'dabber'? What is the difference in technology between these two things?
    I want the healthiest vape.

    Also, many retailers mention that this or that vape is good for wax. Do you think that by wax they mean hash? can I expect that when a vape is good for wax then it will do well with traditional hash?

    Thanks again!
     
  17. NorVape

    NorVape Vape Rictim

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    Wax is full melt, hash is not, so no wax pen will work with hash.
     
  18. 420engineer

    420engineer Well-Known Member

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    the Vapman is by far the best vape for hash, followed closely by the Silver Surfer, imo

    source; many years of experience.
     
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  19. VapourHaze

    VapourHaze Rexcornish on IG, Vaping since '02

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    +1
     
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  20. NorVape

    NorVape Vape Rictim

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    +1 from me as well, only I use SSV's lil brother Da Buddah.

    Haven't been using my Vapman that much lately.

    Man I love my Vapman.
     
  21. TheVaper

    TheVaper New Member

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    Hi again,

    Good to know that a wax pen won't work with hash..
    I am rather confused about the terminology used to describe the material. I know HERBS are, well, herbs, Oil is a liquid, but what does the category of wax and concentrates cover? I have never seen "Full melt" or "bubble hash" so I have no concept of these things. The hash around here is traditional hash/pressed hash. I saw on the Dr. Dabber product description that it does NOT work with "pressed solids". I guess that is what I mean by traditional hash.
    Can anyone clariy the differencet concepts so that I can use the descriptions to hunt for a good vape for Hash.
     
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  22. Jethro

    Jethro Well-Known Member

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    The thing you are missing is near instantaneous extreme high temp convection. Which can be good for some purposes and I would think hash would be one of them- but I am not 100% sure. I know that when I vape my kief I like it to be as high a temp as I can get. It's super tasty through my VaporGenie.
     
  23. djonkoman

    djonkoman Well-Known Member

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    one of the difficulties with terminology is the diffgerence between europe and the US. I live in the netherlands, and here if you're talking about hash, it's about traditional hash(from morocco is mosty common, but hash from afghanistan and nepal is common too). in addition to that you'll sometimes see ice or ice-o-lator, but it's usually very expensive(20-30 euros a gram, where imported hash is usually 7-10, and rarely above 15 a gram). ice-olator- or ice is made using a specific technique, where the weed(or trim) is mixed in ice-water, then the water is sieved using ice-o-lator or bubble-bags. it's usually higher quality/more potent as import, but not as much as the price would suggest, the high price is probably mostly because it's made domestically instead of imported(and so reflects the price of the weed needed to make the hash).

    from what I read online, I get the impression that in america imported hashes are very uncommon, so if you see an american talking about hash it's likely he is either referring to hash similar to the hash sold as ice-o-lator around here, or he's talking about hashoil(which is pretty much impossible to find around here). hashoil is made using a (nonpolar) solvent.

    from my understanding, bubble is the same as ice or ice-o-lator. it refers to the technique used to make it(bubble, like ice-o-lator, is one of the brandnames for the bags used). full-melt, as far as I know, refers to a quality-level. when I vape(imported) hash, it always leaves behind a dry powder/dust when it's done vaping. usually it gets soft when heat is first aplied, but it won't melt. however if I get moroccon hash of higher quality(about 9-10 euro a gram or more), it does melt into one piece/puddle again after stirring and applying heat again. however, I'm not really sure of that already falls under full-melt, or that it has to be able to melt into a liquid thin enough to drip trough screen to qualify as full-melt.

    wax is just a different name for hashoil I think, although it could be wax only aplies to hashoil that has undergone further treatment(you can make hashoil even more pure by filtering out more stuff, for example by cooling it till the waxes seperate). but I already mentioned, hashoil is pretty much impossible to get here, so I've never had hashoil, seen hashoil(besides pics online) or seen it on a coffeeshop-menu, so I don't know that much about the specific terms regarding hashoil.

    and about vaporizers that work well with imported hash, I think a lot of them do, I can personally confirm the vaporgenie works well with imported hash. so does the underdog. arizer air also works well with hash(but you'll have to 'hamster' it, to avoid the whole heatchamber getting messy with sticky bits of hash). my only vaporizer that doesn't work well with hash is the da vinci. the screen is too inaccessible, not easy to stir the hash and not easy to clean out the mess(hash gunks up screens quickly, so you'll want an easily remoavble/cleanable screen), also the oilcans are useless for hash IMO, I got some vapor out of it, but when it stopped giving vapor the hash was still sticky(not dry powder) and still produced a lot of vapor when I loaded it into a different vaporizer.
     
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  24. NorVape

    NorVape Vape Rictim

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    Your talking about the hashish of the Middle East, India and Nepal often found in Europe.

    This is traditional hashish, and due to a higher content of plant matter it won't work in most products made for modern concentrates i.e. wax, oil, shatter, budder and/or high grade bubble hash and other full melts. What all of these very different kinds of concentrates got in common is they fully melt away when exposed to high temperatures.

    Traditional hash turns into a sort of dark dust, depending on type, and since they won't melt they tend to gunk up things more.
     
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  25. 1DMF

    1DMF Old School Cheesy Quaver

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    @TheVaper I myself was bowled over by all the new terminology and product names.

    As I understand it concentrates cover anything that has processed the plant into something more concentrated. Usually means oil, wax, shatter, BHO etc..

    Hash is usually pressed from pollen / flower / keif and is not really a concentrate in a true sense of the word.

    Hash (taken from Hashish) to me means solid being in the UK, though the Arabic word Hashish means 'grass' just to really confuse you ;)
     
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