Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates
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OF
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Not successfully, IMO. Ever try it? I have. IMO (and we're talking opinions, not facts, right?) this is not an area for amateurs. And that is exactly the guys I think we're talking about? Even 'experts' have lots of burnt taste, leaking and other issues that just don't seem to be at all common with 2.4 Ohm carts at LV. If you follow the discussions on the Omicron and Persei forums you'll see problems at those power levels are quite common. Yes, it can be done, no I don't advise newbies to 'go there'.
I said this (2.4 Ohm carts at LV) is my favorite, and I meant exactly that. On the 'LV or SV' question I think unless there's a compelling reason for SV (like you already have it for other TV products, or plan on a T1 soon), LV is the call from many angles.
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OF
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I've tried a couple, but wasn't all that happy, and keep coming back to the Ultra (15500 based) for travel:
http://thermovape.com/collections/all/products/alpha-ultra
The Ultra Lite is more handy (not much IMO, some good photos there with a cigarette for scale) but has battery life issues sometimes (OK if you don't mind changing it out):
http://thermovape.com/collections/all/products/alpha-ultralite
One of the major issues it the power demands of the DART are right at the max for most e-cigs (over for some), OTOH, the TV supplies aren't even breathing hard.....like they were designed for it.
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Cinnamonster
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Porquiplane
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Whatd you guys say is better for puregold? Looking for a LV version Dart or Rev that can be loaded and get like 20 hits on then reload. Suggestions?
So an on the go cart that wont leak or clog (if not asking too much) and can go 20/30 hits between loads of puregold.
Also, will 18650 AW IMRs be powerful enough to run them? Had the SV Evo with the ultrafire 3volts, it sucked. The batteries were weak so the unit is powerless. Return policy for TV stuff? Literally no use for it now.
So an on the go cart that wont leak or clog (if not asking too much) and can go 20/30 hits between loads of puregold.
Also, will 18650 AW IMRs be powerful enough to run them? Had the SV Evo with the ultrafire 3volts, it sucked. The batteries were weak so the unit is powerless. Return policy for TV stuff? Literally no use for it now.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
I have a 6v (SV) T1 base driving a 6v (SV) DART head. I get about 6 to 8 hits off of one of my PG loads, which is about 2 fat drops. I don't think more than 2 or 3 drops at a time works in the DART/Evo. It floods the chamber. As far as the cart "leaking", well with PG, a cart with more than 2 or 3 drops preloaded can easily leak. PureGold is really very free flowing at body temp, so if you keep your preloaded DART in your pocket, the PG may drain out a bit from the air holes in the bottom. (Or out the top if you have it upside down in your pocket). PG is still pretty fluid at room temp too.
On a side note, if anyone knows of a nice 501 thread head that holds a (whole) gram of PG, and doesn't leak ever, and doesn't clog or require minding between loads, I'd love to hear about it.
Until then, I'm really pretty happy about the 6 to 8 monster hits I get from a PG load in my DART, and the endless loads that work on the same pair of Tenergy RCR123A batteries.I'm confused about this part of your message. As far as I know, TV doesn't sell any 18650's and doesn't have any device that uses them. An 18650 should be powerful enough to run any LV core that TV sells, but as I said, I don't think they sell anything that holds one. An SV Evo requires two cells, not one. If you're trying to use an SV Evo with a single cell (either an ultrafire 3 volt, or an 18650), it won't work. It will get warm, but not hot enough to vaporize anything. You need a LV Evo for use with a single cell, not an SV Evo.
Porquiplane
Look Into My Eyes
Persei is the main driver. So thats why 18650. Evo is out. Disliked it so just staying with pg all times. But Rev lv and dart lv. Just a day on the job, or out on the town or hiking daytrip. Thats the application. Dont want to tote around anything but whats needed. More preloaded is better (that will stay loaded and not leak or clog up). Omicron carts are great design, but as you said for the tv's, they are prone to clogs and leaks. Thats why these questions arise. Alternative to the omicron carts. Believed maybe the tv rev or dart would be less prone to leaks. Clogs is managable, but a ~$20 leak mishap isnt exactly desired either. Omicrons V2 carts will be released soon (next 2 months) and they are supposed to be "the all-powerful ones". Flowers, wax, oils and thin oils. No leaks or clogs. Sounds like the wonder solution... See when it releases...
OF
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On a side note, if anyone knows of a nice 501 thread head that holds a (whole) gram of PG, and doesn't leak ever, and doesn't clog or require minding between loads, I'd love to hear about it.
That would be neat for sure, I'm not sure how much I'd like $80 tank ups.....I sure don't like the idea for cars. Then again, soon as I lit it up I'm sure some of that concern would melt right away.
Until then, I think you've 'cracked the code' here. Four drops from dry (clean), two drop refills is a good place to start. Going for more than 6 or 8 hits at a loading is self defeating IMO, to be avoided.
FWIW you will get a few more hits from a single 17670 in LV than SV, but SV gives you plenty. It's also important to remember that once loaded Revolution and DART are the same animal. Same internals, same performance.
OF
UpUpandAway
YWF
Can puregold be used with the Ava setup?
Porquiplane
Look Into My Eyes
Doubtful, however someone more educated on the topic may know.
shredhead
Specialist
Lookin for a portable option that isn't thermovape. Now that you say that I was checking out the D9 site and the omi V1 kind of got me thinkin it would be a really sleek way of using my DART on the go. Good idea? I'm really loving the pen vapes all of a sudden and I can see myself selling some of my other vapes in order to get more. Solo may be the first hahaha
Edit: maybe the ophos is an idea as well. Liking the pass through. I'm up for some experimenting.
OF
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I'm not sure why the 'isn't thermovape' is in the mix, but it's your call. IMO DART on Ultra Lite is a killer configuration, smaller than most pen vapes (including V1 and O-Phos).
V1 will be OK but weak as V1 is regulated and so only puts out 3.18 Volts to the DART in my tests. The Ultra is .3 to .5 better, a truly significant increase in power at those levels. I've done A/B tests (one in each hand, taking alternate hits) at 1.5 Ohms, the TV supply has it hands down. I don't have O-Phos, but understand it's the same as V1 at this level.
There are also some e-cig supplies that will do a fair job (like eGo C Twist) by boosting the voltage to offset losses (rather than just avoiding them like TV does), but the power demands of DART are marginal for these guys, I'm not confident they'll last long.
My advice is give some serious thought to 'the factory supply', either the Ultra (not all that big really, slightly bigger in diameter but shorter than V1) or best of all for being compact (at the expense of battery life) the Ultra Lite (smaller than any D9 supply and up to the job).
http://thermovape.com/collections/all/products/alpha-ultralite
http://thermovape.com/collections/all/products/alpha-ultra
Note the last photos, size relative to a cigarette.
OF
OF
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You're welcome.
IMO it's always best to go with 2.4 Ohm carts until you master them. Guys that 'get smart' and go for 1.5s and 'huge clouds' generally make a mess of it. There's a lot to learn, 2.4s give you some margins, forgive a few minor mistakes, not so with the hot rods.
A second or so is all it takes to turn in into a burnt tasting (or leaking) disappointment.
You'll know when you're ready to experiment with higher output carts.
OF
tepictoton
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After communicating with Thermovape on this issue, I ordered a DART to go with my new joyetech VV battery. According to thermovape this should work fine. The output of the battery is 4.15 to 3.6 volts (on the VV setting) and this should do the trick no?
Any more knowledgeable person care to step in?
Any more knowledgeable person care to step in?
Your "VV" Joyetech battery is either a V2 eGo-T mod or an "Ego-C Upgrade" battery. These aren't _really_ variable voltage, but rather the two modes are regulated and unregulated - i.e. in unregulated mode the voltage will vary as the battery's cell discharges. (See below: The Joyetech "Ego-C Twist" IS _settable_ to a chosen variable voltage between 3.2v and 4.8v, though it will only drive a DART upto ~4v - current limited.)
Now said: These batteries work fine with a DART, particularly the 18650 mod (even with protected cells, but better with an IMR). You will get performance better than with an Omicron V1 or V2 and about the same as with a Persei - at least with the eGo-T mod.
If, when you replace the battery, the eGo-C "Twist" (there are already clones by other Chinese ecig makers - "Hello" is one I know of), will deliver more voltages (re. "oomph") than any other battery I've checked except for high-end (re. EXPENSIVE) VV ecig mods (though the new Smoktech "Gripper VV" looks pretty in aluminum with a single 18650 and at < $40 already).
Running a DART on an Joyetech Ego-C Twist as I type this
-NDA
darth vaper
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what can i use for a power source with my Dart adapter (HV im pretty sure) preferably something that can take herb as well. im selling my evolution to weak for me. need a desktop in my life
If you have a SV DART (only AVAs come in HV), your choices for good power supplies are quite limited. In fact, just my opinion, but it is likely you would find it very difficult to get anything nearly as good as the one you have - The TV supplies are among the best capable of 6 volt (well, 6.4 since LiFePO4s are actually 3.2 volts nominally per cell). I'd probably recommend that you try to sell your Evolution cartridge and Delrin cover alone and keep the base power unit unit. The alternatives will generally be much more expensive than you can expect for the used TV handle (assuming about half to two thirds for used gear). The other clear choice would be to sell your DART with the Evo or get yourself a new LV DART core (hurry and get 25% off during August
) and you'll have many inexpensive choices.I would definitely reconsider selling your "SV" power supply if you intent to keep an "SV" DART. I'd either sell them all or just sell the piece(s) I didn't want (or just keep the Evo and use the DART).
-NDA
tepictoton
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So I ordered my DART LV and my joyetech twist battery is on its way too. Anybody with experience with these two, what voltage do you set your battery too to get the best results? Maybe Nick Again feels like giving some more tips 
The Thermovape threads are really hard to figure out as a newbee to the oil world...What exactly is what now and it does what??? Just saying...
The Thermovape threads are really hard to figure out as a newbee to the oil world...What exactly is what now and it does what??? Just saying...
Fully Melted
It's OK to enjoy your medicine.
How many watts does a Rev. DART LV draw? Most boost buck cigs have a tendency to drop off like a stone in boost mode (any volts over 80% of the battery voltage). So which passthru will work, last for a while and do the job as well as the purely mechanical TV LV rigs?
When I first got a Twist, just to play with, I used with an adapter for Omi carts. It worked very well, but the dial would sometime turn in my pants pocket, which seemed "dangerous" to me (it can drive a 2.4 Omi to a far too hot temp).So I ordered my DART LV and my joyetech twist battery is on its way too. Anybody with experience with these two, what voltage do you set your battery too to get the best results? Maybe Nick Again feels like giving some more tips
The Thermovape threads are really hard to figure out as a newbee to the oil world...What exactly is what now and it does what??? Just saying...
I put it on the shelf and ignored it for a while, until:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/25-ego-c-twist-variable-voltage-battery-and-omicron-carts.6359/
Also in the meanwhile I had gotten an ecig threaded voltage meter to measure voltage under load . I discovered that the Twist I had delivered nearly exactly whatever it was set to for a 2.4 Ohm cart, but EVEN BETTER, with a DART, it delivered 3.98 volts for any setting of 4 volts or higher - i.e. I didn't need to worry about burning it out
Since I have 2 LV DARTs, I ordered a second 1000mAh Twist - It reads a consistent 4.01 volts under load at any setting of 4 or above. Anything above 3.6 works well, but the heat up time at 4 volts is usually under 8 seconds for me, with lots of thick tasty vapor before 12 seconds - very nice. It also seems I have to clean them less frequently now I'm running them hotter.Before this recent switch, my LVs (yea I have a SV too) had been in V2 eGo-T 18650 mods - With IMRs they come off the charger delivering about the same as the Twist, but drop down quickly. Protected cells are "worse" (i.e. much less than IMR). Also, The eGo-T tube modes performed almost exactly the same as a Persei, which is better used with a pair of Omi carts (no comparison on the quality though - the $20 mods have coarse threads which are easy to strip and the parts seem cast and polished, not machined),
-NDA
This is very dependent on the power supply you are using. All batteries are going to droop to some degree when under load, this drop in voltage will lower the overall wattage calculation.
At full 4.2V it would be in the neighborhood of 11 watts, after droop its probably closer to the 9 or 8 watt range.
Cheers,
Tim