The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Trump is blaming the press for all of his woes and with all of the anger that I have seen at his rallies from his supporters against the press, I'm really concerned for their safety.
I am actually a little surprised that that the press hasn't decided to give his rallies a pass. If they did, I garundamntee you that Trump would fix the "hostility towards the press" problem at his rallies right quick...
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
All the hacked emails are making me angry. Not the contents but the fact that they were illegally hacked, if they are really authentic in the first place. The organization doing this is trying to influence our election. I'm ignoring them - I've already decided who I'm voting for. Campaigns are ruthless, I wouldn't expect any less.

The media are the ones that has made Trump so popular. Now he's blaming them for his downfall.

They shouldnt have given him so much press to begin with. It really was overkill. They televised almost every single one of his rally's and made him the figure he is today. I say shame on the press. Making money was their major goal - that's what they are all about of corse.

@grokit i edited the above a little and added an extra at the end.
 
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grokit

well-worn member
Bernie has a powerful voice now and a lot of followers. Some of his ideas were on the extreme side
Actually america is on the extreme side; bernie's ideas would be mainstream in a sane society :mental:

They are talking about taking up arms iF Trump doesnt win. WTF?
I'm probably more concerned about the possibility of violence at the hands of the deplorables if their orange leader somehow wins. If he loses, at least they will be fearful that the apparatus of the federal government is against their extreme social regression. But if drumpf wins they might think he has their back, and they would probably be right. And it would fall right into his history-paralleling hitler-lite wheelhouse.

All the hacked emails are making me angry. Not the contents but the fact that they were illegally hacked. The organization doing this is trying to influence our election. I'm ignoring them - I've already decided who I'm voting for. Who knows if they are true?
If they weren't true, killary would be repudiating their contents. Instead she is going for a full-on negative smear assault against her opponent, which is easy as hell because drmpf is assisting her with it.

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Trypsy Summers

Well-Known Member
The local authority (council) for round here, recently sent some paperwork through the post asking about who lives here and that whosoever resides at this address is required to register to vote, blah blah, and if we don't comply, then we could be liable for a £1000 fine, blah blah!! I just threw that shit straight into the bin, and here's why, The day I register to vote, is the day when I sign up to give away my sovereignty!
I am an staunch advocate that no one re-presents me, but me! Yeah I hear a lot of people bleating (as sheep are prone to do) about democracy, as if that in some way actually means freedom? Well wake the fuck up and see the truth, does it fuck! It never ever did mean freedom! If you think your free, then ask your self why you can't do the things you want to do? I'm talking about things that don't hurt anyone and ain't causing any loss! Why do I (or we) need some pampered privileged elitist fucks, who actually fucking hate us, to tell me what I can or can't do? Nah, fuck that shit!!

As far as elections go, this is the truth, the real truth, it doesn't matter who wins, cos they serve the same masters (its like the left boot and the right boot - it don't matter which one is actually stomping your face in, cos the reality is, that they're both attached to the same body) and that master ain't you, me, or us!

Yeah I'm a fucking prisoner, I know that, I am a prisoner cos I was born into a slave planet - where the mind is wiped as you come in and then re-programmed, indoctrinated, educated, cultured, call it what you want, with the dogma and rules of the society! Which, ironically, is a slave society where mental slavery reinforces the physical slavery that we're meant to love.

The point I'm making yet again, is, it doesn't matter if its Trump or Killary in the US, or Jeremy Corbyn or Tresseme (Theresa May) in the UK. I mean who really gives a fuck if its Labour v Conservative, or RepubliKan v DemoKrat? Its all just a con to get you to participate in the biggest con of all, i.e. willingly surrendering your free-will so that someone else can make decisions that affect you and tell you what you can't do. That's how it works, on a consensual basis even better when its uninformed consent! Worst of all, is once you've participated in the fuckery, then that's you fucked! Its kinda like going to the casino and willingly frittering away all your money on the rigged slots, then going to complain about losing! It don't work does it? Especially when you knew the game was rigged! I mean no one in their right mind willingly participates in an unfair game, that is knowingly rigged and then expects to complain about the fairness of the system just cos they didn't win! Indeed you only find this lunacy occurring in politics! Indeed I feel it is the one's who are outside the system that have the right to say the "system is unfair!" But as I said previously, when you realise what's really going on, you just get on with what is really important and leave them to get on with their fucking nonsense!

Not saying;), Just saying:) Without saying:\

Pure Peace :leaf:
 

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
In this case, I say test them both!
I think Trampmouth is proposing this as a pre-emptive deflective cover for his cocaine sniffles seen in his 1st two debates. Of course if his test comes up positive it'll be blamed on the ever-deepening HRC/media conspiracy war waged against him.
 
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jay87

Well-Known Member
Cocaine use can be made undetectable after ~3 days so it'll be no problem. Unfortunately for us marijuana use is by far the most common reason for a positive drug test.

I'm hoping maybe these drug test comments will force the candidates into discussing U.S. drug policies during their next debate.
 

Tranquility

Well-Known Member
The local authority (council) for round here, recently sent some paperwork through the post asking about who lives here and that whosoever resides at this address is required to register to vote, blah blah, and if we don't comply, then we could be liable for a £1000 fine, blah blah!! I just threw that shit straight into the bin, and here's why, The day I register to vote, is the day when I sign up to give away my sovereignty!
I am an staunch advocate that no one re-presents me, but me! Yeah I hear a lot of people bleating (as sheep are prone to do) about democracy, as if that in some way actually means freedom? Well wake the fuck up and see the truth, does it fuck! It never ever did mean freedom! If you think your free, then ask your self why you can't do the things you want to do? I'm talking about things that don't hurt anyone and ain't causing any loss! Why do I (or we) need some pampered privileged elitist fucks, who actually fucking hate us, to tell me what I can or can't do? Nah, fuck that shit!!

As far as elections go, this is the truth, the real truth, it doesn't matter who wins, cos they serve the same masters (its like the left boot and the right boot - it don't matter which one is actually stomping your face in, cos the reality is, that they're both attached to the same body) and that master ain't you, me, or us!

Yeah I'm a fucking prisoner, I know that, I am a prisoner cos I was born into a slave planet - where the mind is wiped as you come in and then re-programmed, indoctrinated, educated, cultured, call it what you want, with the dogma and rules of the society! Which, ironically, is a slave society where mental slavery reinforces the physical slavery that we're meant to love.

The point I'm making yet again, is, it doesn't matter if its Trump or Killary in the US, or Jeremy Corbyn or Tresseme (Theresa May) in the UK. I mean who really gives a fuck if its Labour v Conservative, or RepubliKan v DemoKrat? Its all just a con to get you to participate in the biggest con of all, i.e. willingly surrendering your free-will so that someone else can make decisions that affect you and tell you what you can't do. That's how it works, on a consensual basis even better when its uninformed consent! Worst of all, is once you've participated in the fuckery, then that's you fucked! Its kinda like going to the casino and willingly frittering away all your money on the rigged slots, then going to complain about losing! It don't work does it? Especially when you knew the game was rigged! I mean no one in their right mind willingly participates in an unfair game, that is knowingly rigged and then expects to complain about the fairness of the system just cos they didn't win! Indeed you only find this lunacy occurring in politics! Indeed I feel it is the one's who are outside the system that have the right to say the "system is unfair!" But as I said previously, when you realise what's really going on, you just get on with what is really important and leave them to get on with their fucking nonsense!

Not saying;), Just saying:) Without saying:\

Pure Peace :leaf:
Do you think any government at all is good or necessary? At some point, you're giving up some personal goals for the goals of the group any time you live in society. How would you think best to govern this group?

That's not to say democracy isn't just an illusion. All of us here pontificate on what is Truth and what is Right, but all our bloviating will affect things exactly zero. All the powers that be care about any of us is this moment where they promise things they know they cannot deliver and throw out clever slogans to fool our rational minds; yet we are nothing but a statistical blip in a mass of data. No one knows why he made a decision to support or accept or tolerate or fear or hate any candidate. We throw out reasons why in order to defend our theory we are rational beings. But, we are nothing but apes who are being manipulated by our emotions. Think of all the things you get for free because of advertising. Do you think there is any real difference between dish soaps?
 

gangababa

Well-Known Member
I can certainly agree that Clinton is going full-on in assaulting Trump, and it may be negative,
but if she is smearing her opponent, it is only with a mirror.

Where is the smoking gun in all these decades (likely longer than the age of some here) of dumps?
An actual economic industry exists, whose sole purpose is the extreme vetting, investigation and destruction of the Clintons.
It probably dates back to some inbred back-woods feud between hillbillies and rednecks over the best pussym recipe.
So many "this is it" dumps and it is still all shit and no shine on any actually Hilleryevil.

Clinton is too conniving to be 'our cook', some say; so shall we send in the garbage man and dine from that pail?

Everyone does bad.
Most everyone does good.
Some few do extreme good.
Hillery will be welcome into any heaven of which I have ever heard scriptures speak.

No Secretary of State has the power to make the USA internationally evil.
It takes the united villages of our nation to put us in that state.

Evil is the destination of a trajectory of a whole (yuuuge) lot of small 'its-not-that-much-worse-than-the-other-choice bad choices.
 

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
I can certainly agree that Clinton is going full-on in assaulting Trump, and it may be negative,
but if she is smearing her opponent, it is only with a mirror.

Where is the smoking gun in all these decades (likely longer than the age of some here) of dumps?
An actual economic industry exists, whose sole purpose is the extreme vetting, investigation and destruction of the Clintons.
It probably dates back to some inbred back-woods feud between hillbillies and rednecks over the best pussym recipe.
So many "this is it" dumps and it is still all shit and no shine on any actually Hilleryevil.

Clinton is too conniving to be 'our cook', some say; so shall we send in the garbage man and dine from that pail?

Everyone does bad.
Most everyone does good.
Some few do extreme good.
Hillery will be welcome into any heaven of which I have ever heard scriptures speak.

No Secretary of State has the power to make the USA internationally evil.
It takes the united villages of our nation to put us in that state.

Evil is the destination of a trajectory of a whole (yuuuge) lot of small 'its-not-that-much-worse-than-the-other-choice bad choices.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I highly suggest you listen to @ataxian's post above. He is spot on.

I hope Hillary is getting ready for the debate and give a good explanation of the hacked emails that that were recently found. An answer that passes the smell test. The Abraham Lincoln answer during the last debate sounded odd. Maybe true I wouldn't know?

She needs to tie everything up in a bow at the end. Trump can have his meltdown. We can all wait for election night. That will be exciting I'm hoping with a landslide for the democrats. A landslide for cannabis - legal and medical. Good luck everyone.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
They shouldnt have given him so much press to begin with. It really was overkill. They televised almost every single one of his rally's and made him the figure he is today
Not just his rallys by ANY means. For the longest time they pointed a camera at him each time he opened up his mouth. He has absolutely NO NEED to put out ads...
Because of these crazy ass Trump supporters who advocate violence and rebellion, we will be getting a gun, for the very first time. They scare the hell out of us.
That is very sad. And frustrating. And common.
 
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grokit

well-worn member
What led up to Zhirinovsky's recent remarks concerning wwiii:

Shortly after the suspension of bilateral talks, the U.S. media began reporting on the possibility that the United States would launch strikes against the Syrian military, particularly in Aleppo where the SAA is engaged in a fierce battle to liberate the largest city in Syria. The justification for the strikes would be the need to “make Assad pay a price” for his alleged violations of the ceasefire. The reports came as the result of “leaks” and information provided to mainstream news organizations by anonymous official sources.

Some believe these “leaks” were simply a method of suggesting a strike on Syrian forces to gauge the Russian response without officially committing to the intent to launch airstrikes.


:o much, much more:
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/10/u-s-nato-edge-planet-closer-to-world-war-three-syria.html

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RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
The Abraham Lincoln answer during the last debate sounded odd. Maybe true I wouldn't know?

Her answer about that seemed odd and sounded evasive to me at first, but what she said was spot on as to the content of the email containing her comment about espousing differing private vs public views on issues. I don't have a link to that email although I read it somewhere on line after seeing someone on late-night TV fact check it. The paragraph the comment was in is where she spoke about what Lincoln had to do to get the 13th amendment passed.

(while writing this i remember I read this in a Washington Post and found the story "why Hillary Clinton's Abraham Lincoln defense of her leaked wall street comments fall flat" google "hillary email about lincoln" and you'll find it quickly if ya wanna read it yourself)
 
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hey thanks for posting this video. I think it was under appreciated by the hillary tifosi. :whoa: This was the first time that ive really sat down and watched Jill Stein speak. Its a shame that there aren't more genuinely wholesome people in politics. I don't blame them though. :leaf:
 

Trypsy Summers

Well-Known Member
:leaf:
I agree with much of what you say. It is true governments are built to control and I also naturally push against authority and attempts to control. Where I disagree with you in that it doesn't matter who gets into the oval office is in fact untrue. I seriously have a difficult time seeing any hispanics, blacks, women, the disabled, the poor, and of course pot smokers escaping pain if Trump is elected. Hillary is a much better choice if you care about the wellbeing of people. There is little to no doubt a Trump presidency would make the wellbeing of people much more difficult on many more people. The reason I vote isn't because I believe it is a solution to the bad things governments do, it is because certain options would cause a great deal of pain for the lifestyle I choose to live. Hillary as a better choice for America if you care about the wellbeing of the vast majority of people. We haven't even got into the type of appointments Trump would make to the Supreme court forcing the court to the right for decades. Who the hell needs an orange hitler anyway? To refuse to ever vote is not logical if you are open to the damage not voting may possibly cause. I hate to let you in on this but sometimes voting matters --- like now.

@steama; In the first instance, I read your comments and I've duly noted the points you make. But with all due respect, In my earlier post I stated that I feel that I'm a prisoner, granted not like your actual jailed felon, but a more general prisoner aka citizen if you will, as that term makes people/sheeple feel good about themselves and their lot in life!! The point I am alluding to; is that we're all under control from Authority and come election time, the fucks (TPTB) have a good laugh watching on from behind the scenes, as the slaves work themselves up into a frenzy to decide who is gonna subject them to the next 4 or 8 years of servitude. Therefore armed with that truth, why would anyone in their right mind, participate in that kind of ordeal? Unless they're brainwashed and sincerely believe themselves to be free!

In terms of Killary and Trump, as I said previously, it don't really matter who gets in, especially to 'The Powers That Be' (TPTB), cos it will be still the same heel that is squashing all our faces in, well the 99% of us! I have deliberately been non specific about either candidate, cos as I see it, they're just both two sides of the same coin! You mention you don't see a bunch of people not escaping pain if Trump gets in, but you omit to mention that these 'people' are all ready in pain! From the sideline, I see Trump for what he is, i.e. he's the ostensible 'corporate' face of USA inc! You also mention pot smokers in the list, but to be fair, I have not heard Trump say anything about repealing State Law, I'll hold my hands up if I'm wrong on this, I'm just saying that I ain't heard that! Indeed given from what I've heard, he seems to be rather gung ho about bringing jobs back and all that stuff, "Yeah! lets make America great, again, USA USA" and all that!!

As for Killary, well I ain't gonna say anything about her other than the remark Trump makes about her achievements in 30 years of political of office? I could mention the impressive list of issues that dog her at every turn, but then I'd be climbing right back into the crab bucket!
As I said previously, I just ignore these fools (and the political commentators who live off them) and the circus that seeks to dominate everyone's attention, therefore taking your focus off what really matters!

Once you climb out of the crab bucket, you don't hang about on the rim - waiting to pulled back in, you hop off completely and get on with living! All people have a choice, even if (as the oracle put) it is on a near sub conscious level, indeed now more than ever is the time for Temet Nosce!

WAKE THE FUCK UP!! (for the avoidance of doubt, this a rhetorical call to everyone and not the author of the post)

Not saying;) Just saying :\ Without saying:2c:


Pure Peace :leaf:
 
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Trypsy Summers

Well-Known Member
Do you think any government at all is good or necessary? At some point, you're giving up some personal goals for the goals of the group any time you live in society. How would you think best to govern this group?

That's not to say democracy isn't just an illusion. All of us here pontificate on what is Truth and what is Right, but all our bloviating will affect things exactly zero. All the powers that be care about any of us is this moment where they promise things they know they cannot deliver and throw out clever slogans to fool our rational minds; yet we are nothing but a statistical blip in a mass of data. No one knows why he made a decision to support or accept or tolerate or fear or hate any candidate. We throw out reasons why in order to defend our theory we are rational beings. But, we are nothing but apes who are being manipulated by our emotions. Think of all the things you get for free because of advertising. Do you think there is any real difference between dish soaps?

@Old Newbie; You make some good points,
Of course democracy is an illusion - its put in place, to be pursed - but never attained! A bit like a Borg puzzle!!

The point you make about 'what is truth and what is right,' yeah I read this and kinda see where you are, but where I'm at right now, I don't look at the issues in those (systematic) terms, rather I look at things and ask myself is this healthy or not? And that really works for me, especially when one seeks to abide by the Golden Rule!
I don't agree with your ape analogy, as I feel that is the kind of notion what they instill in us, kinda as a lost resort tactic to throw us off track, from the truth.

I see myself as a spiritual being on a human journey! A journey that has been manipulated and inverted by them! By the way, in answer to your question, Yes there is a massive difference between dish soaps! Cos in reality, there ain't no soap!!

Bob Marley had it right, when he sang, "Open you eyes and look within - are you satisfied with the life you're living?"

Not saying:2c:, Just saying:\, Without saying:|

Pure Peace :leaf:
 
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Tranquility

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As for Killary, well I ain't gonna say anything about her other than the remark Trump makes about her achievements in 30 years of political of office? I could mention the impressive list of issues that dog her at every turn, but then I'd be climbing right back into the crab bucket!

But...

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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
The Right is a Hoax
by D.R. Tucker
October 16, 2016 7:30 AM

[If Republican presidential candidate Donald] Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem.

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.​

Warnings of conspiracy stoke anger among Trump faithful,” Matt Viser and Tracy Jan, Boston Globe, October 15, 2016

It is a profound shame that mainstream-media entities cannot clearly state that Trump’s remaining supporters constitute the least tolerant segment of the United States population without being accused of so-called “liberal bias” or the other right-wing myth, “cultural elitism.” When the Fourth Estate won’t acknowledge clear facts, something has gone very wrong in our society.

Is it really “liberal” or “elitist” to note that Trump’s supporters–the folks who think Clinton is a junkie because Trump tells them so–believe the proverbial six impossible things before breakfast? Or is it simply stating the facts?

Remember how the right-wingers got all bent out of shape in 1968 when Walter Cronkite suggested that the United States was unlikely to win the Vietnam War? Lost in that faux-outrage is the fact that Cronkite told the truth about America’s chances of victory in Vietnam. The right’s contempt for Cronkite is a classic example of conservative hypocrisy, as Cronkite’s remarks were, in their purest sense, “pro-life.” (After all, 58,000 Americans were “aborted” in that war.)

As Salon’s Heather Digby Parton noted earlier this year, it was in 1968 that the mainstream media became unreasonably nervous about offending the same kinds of Americans who believe Trump can make America great again:

[That year] began the decades-long self-flagellation by the media (and the cynical exploitation of it by the Republicans) wherein it was assumed that the most misunderstood and underserved people in the whole country were salt-of-the-earth white folks nobody ever thinks about. Except that it’s anything but the truth. Every single election cycle since 1968 the press has been obsessed with this mythical Real American who is always angry, always frustrated, always railing against the so-called elites because they allegedly only care about the racial minorities or the women or somebody other than them. Then we end up with a mass soul search in which we all come to understand that the key to the election is to address these people’s grievances.

In those early days it was referred to as “The Silent Majority” of Richard Nixon, which Donald Trump has unoriginally revived. Since then, pollsters have come up with slogans to target certain demographics (NASCAR Dads and Waitress Moms are two examples), which the press then uses as symbols of this Real America, representing the breathing heart and soul of the country…

During the ’80s, the ecstatic canonization of these voters was overwhelming, with political reporters rushing to their enclaves in various parts of the heartland like anthropologists in search of lost tribes of the Amazon. They would sit down in diners and cafes and listen raptly to white men in cat hats talk about how the country is going to hell in a handbasket because we can’t afford to keep giving handouts to foreigners and people who won’t work. Sound familiar?​

A compelling case can be made that mainstream-media entities bear responsibility for the rise of Trump because they refused to acknowledge that these Americans were, well, wrong. In the name of not choosing sides, mainstream-media entities chose sides.

It is not “liberal elitism” to declare that those who think chasing Mexicans and Muslims out of the country, repealing Obamacare, rolling back civil rights protections and cutting taxes for billionaires will lead to widespread prosperity are factually off-base. It’s basic common sense.

Trump made it this far because he understood that mainstream-media entities would not call stupidity by its name. He made it this far because he understood that there are millions of Americans who still, after all these decades, don’t understand that the Right–all of it–is a hoax, a scam to separate suckers from their money and their dignity. He made it this far because he understood that there are plenty of citizens who will fall for the simplest of cons–and that the Fourth Estate won’t even attempt to tell those citizens that they are just marks for the con.

The marks will continue to be played for suckers even if Trump loses by a significant margin. They will continue to demonstrate their limitless intolerance. They will continue to attack elected Republicans they regard as not being hateful enough. They will continue to denigrate our democracy…and they will continue to slow down our march towards progress.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
If Hillary Clinton Groped Men

Nicholas Kristof
OCT. 15, 2016

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Donald and Melania Trump in 2007 for the launch party at the Playboy Mansion for his reality TV show, “The Apprentice.” Credit Chris Haston/NBC
Is there a double standard for women in politics?

Imagine if it were Hillary Clinton who had had five children by three husbands, who had said it was fine to refer to her daughter as a “piece of ass,” who participated in a radio conversation about oral sex in a hot tub, who rated men based on their body parts, who showed up in Playboy soft porn videos.

Imagine if 15 men had accused Clinton of assaulting or violating them, with more stepping forward each day.

Imagine if Clinton had held a Mr. Teen USA pageant and then marched unannounced into the changing area to ogle the young bodies as some were naked and, after doing the same thing at a Mr. USA pageant, marveled on a radio show at what she was allowed to get away with.

Imagine if in a primary election debate Clinton had boasted that there’s “no problem” with the size of her vagina.

Imagine if Clinton had less experience in government or the military than any person who has ever become president?

Imagine if she had said about a man running against her in the primaries, “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that?”

Imagine if it were Clinton who had boasted, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

Imagine if it were Clinton who had been caught on a hot mike referring in a degrading way to men’s genitals and boasting that her prominence gave her license to grab men’s crotches.

Imagine if she had bragged about her attempts to commit adultery — and later reportedly sought to have fired from his job the married man who resisted her seduction efforts.

Imagine that it were Hillary Clinton who had been accused of assault by her first spouse (later recanted) and later of assault in a lawsuit by a business partner.

Imagine if Clinton had defended herself from an accusation of molesting a young man by explaining, “He would not be my first choice, that I can tell you.”

Imagine if Clinton had body shamed Donald Trump, saying that she had observed his rear end and concluded, “I’m not impressed, believe me.”

Imagine if Hillary Clinton had first drawn national attention not with an idealistic speech at the Wellesley commencement, but by being sued for racial discrimination by President Richard Nixon’s administration.

Imagine if she had later been quoted by a member of her staff as saying “laziness is a trait in blacks” and had retweeted white supremacists, including one honoring the American Nazi Party.

Imagine if it were Clinton who had gone through six bankruptcies and compiled a long record of stiffing contractors, from plumbers to painters to lawyers.

Imagine if it were Clinton who had ordered $100,000 worth of pianos from a small music store in Freehold, N.J., and then announced months after taking delivery that she would pay only $70,000. And if the owner recalled: “Because of Clinton, my store stagnated for a couple of years. It made me feel really bad, like I’d been taken advantage of. I was embarrassed.”

Imagine if it were Hillary Clinton who had denounced international trade while manufacturing shirts in Bangladesh, neck ties in China, suits in Mexico and stemware in Slovenia.

Imagine that the Clintons had given an interview to People magazine and, while Bill stepped away to change clothes, Hillary told the male interviewer that she had a room to show him — and then stuck her tongue down his throat.

Imagine if Clinton had boasted on Howard Stern’s radio show that “in the history of the world, nobody has got more hot men than I have” — and referred to those men she had seduced as her “victims.” What if she were called a sex predator on the show, and she nodded proudly?

Imagine if PolitiFact had judged 71 percent of Clinton’s statements that it checked “mostly false” or worse.

Imagine that, instead of releasing 39 years of tax returns, showing most recently that she had paid 31 percent of her income in federal income taxes, she had refused to release any returns — and leaked pages from 1995 returns indicated that she had paid no federal income taxes at all for years.

Imagine if Clinton had rampaged for a week against a former beauty queen, and even tweeted encouragement to “check out sex tape” of the woman — even though such a video did not exist.

Imagine if Clinton had said, “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”

Imagine if Clinton had been so lecherous that her daughter, at age 17, made her promise not to date any boy younger than 17. And if Clinton then joked publicly that as a result “the field is getting very limited.”

Imagine if Clinton had seemed completely ignorant of nuclear strategy and NATO yet said she knew “more about ISIS than the generals.”

Imagine if the Clinton Foundation had failed to register properly, had made an illegal campaign donation and had expended resources not on saving lives from AIDS but (possibly illegally) on two giant portraits of Hillary Clinton herself.

So is there a double standard in American politics, indeed in American society, subjecting women to greater scrutiny? You decide.
 

jay87

Well-Known Member
Can anyone who supports Trump explain to me why?

Reading the posts above there is innumerable reasons why he simply is deficient in areas that are required of a person to be considered for president.

My biggest issue with Trump is intellectual. Donald represents a movement of anti-intellectualism in which it's OK for the president of the United States not to try to learn anything about government. He said it would "take too long" to learn about how the U.S. government works.

He believes climate change is a hoax by the Chinese, even if you don't accept climate change, this is still an absolutely ridiculous claim.

My personal objective analysis of Donald Trump is that when it comes to literally any issue that is relevant to the president of the United States, Donald has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, and he's OK with that.

Trump as a person is content to carry out actions based on his own factually incorrect and often downright offensive beliefs.

Why are millions of people unable to see this and still vehemently support this man? I just don't get it and it makes me embarrassed as an american.
 
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